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Dragonball Z live action film Ideas.

Post by Snail » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:05 am

So. Pretty self-explanatory.

Here's my idea, of which I just whipped up in the past hour and a half. It hasn't been revised, and it hasn't been finished either. So I hope you, the readers, won't mind the informal plot/synopsis. I hope you guys enjoy a little bit of it atleast. In my opinion, it's a lot better than the whole 'Goku in High school' take, to say the least. The main problem I have with this right now is, the lack of character development, concerning Goku, as well as how the search for the Dragonballs would play out.

Dragonball Z

Teaser Trailer

*dark blank screen*

*camera slowly shifts by the empty streets as paper and dust float across the screen.

*Bird's eye view of the empty city. Multiple buildings across the city are flattened. Debris lay everywhere.

*Random voices are heard, along with explosions, gunfire, screams, and News reporters explaining an unknown

crisis at hand. The audio is accompanied by a quick montage of News footage containing random explosions whilst

news reporters continue their commentary. The montage ends with a male reporter explaining a certain crisis at

hand when suddenly a shockwave causes the footage to lose it's reception.

*Short moment of silence and blank footage.

The screen quickly turns visible, full of static, from the camera's point of view. The static slowly subsides as the desert is shown; suddenly two figures are

seen from afar, and almost instantly, several other figures drop from the sky, and land on their feet on the same

area.

*Screen goes blank.

*A slick, reddish-brown 'Z' symbol fades unto the screen.


Plot.

The world is thrown into crisis when two spacepods fall from the sky and collides into a heavily populated city during an important event. The World Martial Arts tournament is put to a halt, when two alien beings, who name themselves, Vegeta, and Nappa, emerge from their spacepods, and threatens mankind in their search for a fellow comrade; Raditz, lost somewhere upon the Earth. Unbeknownst to the world, a man named Son Goku must rise to the occasion, along with his friends and foes to challenge these outsiders. In a desperate attempt to do their part, Gohan, Yamcha, Kuririn, and Bulma ventures off in a search for the legendary Dragonballs, in case Son Goku and his comrades fail. The truths about Son Goku's ancestry are revealed during his face-off with the villains.

With Vegeta's defeat, and Nappa's death, Vegeta reveals that beings far stronger than every individual present upon the battlefield are making their way towards the planet. News worsens as the search for the Dragonballs come to a stop, as the remaining four star ball is nowhere to be found.

As a result, preparations for their arrival are being made. As a sort of sixth sense, Piccolo's mental connection to an unknown being eventually instructs him to accompany Son Goku towards a floating fortress, hidden far above the earth and beyond the clouds. There, Son Goku consults with the one who calls himself Kami Sama.

Elsewhere, Vegeta is moved and held in an isolated, and extremely protected facility; Vegeta is succumbed to a plethora of scientific studies, and he is the subject. All electrical devices around the world go haywire for a moment, as an alien message is broadcast throughout the world. Bulma visits the facility where Vegeta is being researched upon, in hopes of using Vegeta's knowledge to decipher the alien message. However, before Bulma reaches the chamber where Vegeta is held within, the facility's alarm systems are activated. The Red Ribbon army have breached the facility, and are planning to capture Vegeta, for reasons unknown at the moment. There is a brief resistance from Vegeta; however, in his weakened condition, the Red Ribbon army eventually captures him; along with Bulma as well.

Fearing another incident in which more cities would crumble upon the arrival of more outsiders from space, the humans make preparations. The Royal Defence Force is dispatched throughout the world awaiting orders. Elsewhere, Tien, Yamcha, Kuririn and Gohan prompt to launch an assault against the Red Ribbon army headquarters, in an attempt to rescue Bulma, after discovering the situation that had occured at the scientific research facility.

Things heat up, as five spacepods crash upon the Red Ribbon army headquarters. Five alien beings emerge from the pods, and proceed with their assault upon the area. Tien, Yamcha, Kuririn, and Gohan arrive at the scene. Tien, and Yamcha goes on the offensive against the five aliens, as Kuririn and Gohan enter the building in search of Bulma. The beings speak in a foreign tongue, however the leader of the pack quickly adjusts, and communicates properly towards Tien and Yamcha; he introduces himself as Captain Ginyu, the leader of the other four that stand behind him. After a brief introduction, the other four aliens disappear into the headquarters, as Tien and Yamcha faces Ginyu.

Kururin and Gohan split up within the building. Suddenly Recoome appears and challenges Kururin. Gohan heads recklessly into any path when suddenly he collides into Bulma. She leads Gohan and herself towards Vegeta's whereabouts, claiming that he is the only one who can help. Suddenly, Guldo appears and attacks Gohan. Incidently, Bulma darts off and finds Vegeta. In a panic, she scrambles through a set of chemical containers, and finds the one she needs, and proceeds to inject Vegeta with the chemical. The saiyan bursts open the metal bonds that kept him trapped. Burter and Jeice detect Vegeta with devices lodged upon their ears, and suddenly appears in front of Vegeta. Vegeta quickly kills Jeice, and Burter is left with the responsibility to capture him.

Recoome leaves the tattered Kururin on the floor before he could kill him, as he detects Jeice's death, and Burter's need of assistance. Gohan fends for himself against the rabid Guldo, but eventually puts the alien out
of conciousness.

As the battle rages on in the Red Ribbon army headquarters, the unthinkable occurs, as a monumental spacecraft, accompanied by thousands of smaller spacecrafts appears in the sky. The Royal Defence Force concentrates their forces upon that area, as an immense war erupts upon the massive desert.


* Still rough, and unfinished, so please don't mind the bad grammar :lol: Chunks and chunks of ideas not yet included. Expect a revised version with a conclusion soon.
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Re: What would your Dragonball live action film be like?

Post by Prince Vegeta » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:49 am

Snail wrote: synopsis
Your synopsis is so much better than the real one.
You changed some stuff, but it still feels like dragonball.
I really hope the actual movie will resemble your synopsis, good job. :wink:
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:34 pm

http://community.funimation.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=55599

This is a thread just like this on the FUNi Forums. In it are both good and terrible ideas for doing the movie, and reasons as to why for both sides. I'm Gyt_Kaliba in those discussions, if you couldn't guess. :P
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Post by Snail » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:56 pm

Hey, thanks for the comments guys. I haven't read your idea yet Gyt Kaliba, but I'll be back in a bit to do so, as well as continuing with my rough set of ideas.

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Post by Chuquita » Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:08 pm

Wow, I really like that idea of Vegeta being captured for scientific study. :shock:

Ah, I can only imagine the snide comments and smart remarks he'd be yelling at the scientists trying to examine him. :mrgreen:
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Post by the original ero-sennin » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:07 pm

I would love to see your script being used in the upcoming Dragonball film. I have no confidence whatsoever that they, meaning the writers for the upcoming film, have produced a better script than you. But yeah, very good ideas. I seriously got excited while reading your rough ideas. Very good! I anxiously await a continued synopsis. :D

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Post by DaemonCorps » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:13 pm

Wow, unlike the random crap we've been getting about the actual live-action movie, I sincerely got pretty pumped when reading your little synopsis. As mentioned, some stuff was changed, while others were kept, but I overall really liked reading it.

I could imagine me actually being able to proudly watch this in a theater and screaming in excitement not caring about what everyone around me was saying.

I'm still supportive of the actual live-action movie, but given the weird high school-ified version of DBZ they've been hinting at... :?.

After reading what you put up, I'm really tempted to make up my own little live-action adaptation story. I figure I should make use of my screenwriting class somehow. Expect something sometime later this week.

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Post by IncredibleGuy » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:14 am

This is plot is for Dragon Ball fans:

This movie follows the original Dragon Ball arc in both its spirit (comedy based) and story, with the exception of Goku being changed from a 12 year old boy to a 10 year old girl to further exemplify the whole 'big things come in small packages' idea (to be clever I'd mirror the G in DraGon Ball as a reflection of this change).

To move the story forward with a more focused thematic tone bulma's character would be scrapped in favor of a male protagonist, who while still retaining many of Bulma's undesired shortcomings would be not as easily sidetracked from his goal of finding the dragonballs (his tough male persona would also add balance and some much needed contrast to the carefree, super strong female goku). Did I also mention this guy is secretly using Goku so he can use the dragonballs to wish himself mac-daddy of the planet? Oh, well it was probably wasn't important then.

Along the way, these two would face many challenges most often personified in the form of power hungry monsters, all which would somehow be defeated by the awesome power present in Goku, further adding to the overarching theme of the movie. Goku, also, would act more like a plot device than an actual character in these situations similar to Dragon Ball's chibi Goku and Luffy in One Piece.

As the movie progressed Pilaf would eventually muscle is way into the film as the only person capable of containing the ridiculously powerful Goku (through comical, and unexpected means of course). Pilaf, then attempting to get his wish granted by summoning the dragon, would have his plans foiled when, at the last second, Goku is somehow blasted from her chamber, up into the sky, and with one punch would knock the dragon completely unconscious (complementing the theme one last time before the movie reached its climax) just seconds before Pilaf was granted his wish. The energy of the film would then come to a close, and after a few humorous exchanges the movie would end.

It's not hardcore, I know, but I think it has potential :D . Thanks.

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Post by Snail » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:44 pm

Wow, a great deal of changes, however, I think that it would be a fun idea. For some reason though, I can't picture it being live action, but it would work great if it was 3d animation I'd bet.

On a side note, thank you all for the comments. I'll get the rough set of ideas laid out and completed by the end of this week atleast, I hope. School and work is hella time consuming. Also, DaemonCorps, I can't wait to see what you'll be throwing out onto the table for us to see.

Come on folks, throw out some of your own ideas as well!

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Post by Death-T » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:17 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:http://community.funimation.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=55599

This is a thread just like this on the FUNi Forums. In it are both good and terrible ideas for doing the movie, and reasons as to why for both sides. I'm Gyt_Kaliba in those discussions, if you couldn't guess. :P
And I'm Ryuji-0togi there, hiya.^^

This movie follows the original Dragon Ball arc in both its spirit (comedy based) and story, with the exception of Goku being changed from a 12 year old boy to a 10 year old girl to further exemplify the whole 'big things come in small packages' idea (to be clever I'd mirror the G in DraGon Ball as a reflection of this change).
I'm sorry, but you lost my interest there. No offense. =/



Well Snail, I really like your idea. And the generic movie trailer was fun to read.

But I would try to throw in a condensed prolouge of how the story really started. That would be with Raditz suddenly arriving and Goku & Piccollo teaming up to fight him followed after Goku's death and Raditz announcement that Vegeta & Nappa would be arriving in a year.

Then after that the series' Head Cha La would kick in with the original animation with some small live action movie clips thrown in there at the same time.

Of course... That would pretty much change your whole idea, seeing that several of your changes wouldn't make sense when accompanied with the prolouge.

Well, in other words.. I guess I'd just want a condensed Vegeta saga, with a number of changes and adaptions of the like.

I guess I don't have much of a contribution to this thread if that's all I've got, since you've taken the time to change re-adapt the story in that way.
But I guess that's kindif because you're trying to sum up some of the more basic essences of the story in your rewrite that weren't really in the Vegeta saga.
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Post by DaemonCorps » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:13 pm

Death-T wrote:But I would try to throw in a condensed prolouge of how the story really started. That would be with Raditz suddenly arriving and Goku & Piccollo teaming up to fight him followed after Goku's death and Raditz announcement that Vegeta & Nappa would be arriving in a year.
I was thinking of having something like that, too, but instead of just summing up the start of the Saiyan Saga, to just sum up the main points of Dragon Ball (Goku in the woods, Bulma picking him up in search of the dragon balls, various fight scenes from the following sagas onward...) kinda like what was done during the opening credits of Spider-Man 2. Though I'm sure only the hardcore fans would actually understand the prologue (especially since I was thinking of it just being done with pictures).

As for some additional thought on your little synopsis, I thought the whole idea of Vegeta being captured is just awesome. The only problem I see, though, is that if the scientist(s) studying him play a large role, then they would need some time dedicated to themselves so the viewers can better understand him. But I think you can get away with not doing something like that, unless you do go on and give them a big role.

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Post by Snail » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:46 pm

What I hate about this is that there are so many godamn characters to consider. :x

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:53 pm

Death-T wrote:
Gyt Kaliba wrote:http://community.funimation.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=55599

This is a thread just like this on the FUNi Forums. In it are both good and terrible ideas for doing the movie, and reasons as to why for both sides. I'm Gyt_Kaliba in those discussions, if you couldn't guess. :P
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Post by Kaboom » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:04 pm

(WOW, did this end up freaking LONG. I started with something short, but got carried away and kept coming up with ideas as I was typing, before I ended up with practically an entire screenplay. @_@

Super-lengthy as it is, it'd be a shame NOT to post it. If you, by some wild chance, feel like reading it through, I'd love to get feedback
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I've given my ideas before, but they've changed a bit, so I'll give them again.

Mine would have a distinctly sci-fi setting, but the action would be 99% ki-based martial-artsy (Imagine Star Wars, but just about ALL the combatants can use the Force) in nature. Like... hardly any fighter uses guns or anything in this galaxy, they all just train themselves to use ki like it's a given. At the start, Earth is a quite a little cultural hub of a planet, but still on the outskirts of the Galaxy, where Freeza's expanding empire hasn't quite reached yet.

Story-wise, I would tie the whole thing in together into a nice little trilogy, working towards ultimately having Freeza as the final villain. In fact, the prologue of the first movie would be Freeza's destroying Planet Vegeta, showing Bardock sending Goku away himself just before he goes off to futilely face the tyrant.

The first movie ("Dragon Ball") would be a condensed DragonBall, with Goku as a teenager, (King) Piccolo as the main villain, and mainly featuring and retaining the more important characters, though in suitable altered incarnations. Like I've said, I think FOX is doing okay in terms of the plot, which my version would probably not be to dissimilar to, but my version's characters would probably be a little bit more faithful to the original material.

Anyway, Piccolo would attempt to conquer Earth to start his OWN empire, the DragonBalls themselves would factor in, yadda yadda. And I actual like the route FOX seems to be taking, what with Piccolo being the one to reveal Goku's Saiyan origins, trying to recruit him with the whole "conquest is in your blood" deal. But he'd lose, and secretly spawn Piccolo Jr, who by the second movie is all grown up. Piccolo's ( and Kami's... maybe?) origins would be revealed as well, and the mysterious Planet Namek would be hinted at. Unlike what we've seen so far from FOX, Krillin will exist, and be a close friend and fellow martial arts student of Goku's. Tenshinhan and Yamcha will be friends and rivals of both Goku and each other. Roshi would be Goku and Krillin's sensei, Grandpa Gohan would hold a Dragon Ball and be killed by Piccolo's goons, Bulma would be... uh, Bulma. Chi-Chi would Goku's lifelong friend and love interest, although it'd take a while for Goku to catch onto that... Agh. Basically, not too different from what we've heard from FOX so far, minus the high school factor.
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Second movie ("Dragon Ball: Legacy") skips ahead a few years. Goku and Chi-Chi are married, Chi-Chi's pregnant with Gohan (Gohan's birth during the movie could/would be a major emotional factor), and Freeza's forces have started to "poke" at Earth.

Along with just about every capable fighter on the planet, Goku's been "drafted" to help repel the forces, as useless as it seems, since the trend has been that Freeza sends a veritable ARMY of troops to any planet that manages to defend itself. Goku, himself, however, being the legendary Super Saiyan (but not quite there yet, obviously), makes huge progress and gains a lot of strength, and through his spectacular inborn ki ability, he develops the Kaio-Ken and Spirit Bomb on his own (trying to get the afterlife involved would probably make things too complicated).

So Freeza's invading force shows up on Earth, led by, who else, Vegeta and Nappa. They start wreaking havoc, of course, personally killing anyone who does well against their troops. Yamcha and Tenshinhan are killed as such, which pisses off Goku, and he goes straight for Vegeta. His fight with Vegeta and Nappa plays out about the same as the manga. Goku beats Nappa easily, Vegeta recognizes him as Saiyan and tries to recruit him, and they proceed to have the single most awesome, well-coreographed, and impressive fight in the entire freaking trilogy.

Goku, through Kaio-Ken, start to win, and Vegeta transforms to Ozaru and proceeds to kick Goku's ass in retaliation. Vegeta does something to seriously piss Goku off (maybe seems to kill Chi-Chi or something), and Goku goes all movie 4 on his ass, what with a false Super-Saiyan-like power up, and smacks Vegeta around. Anyway, Vegeta loses,and is forced to retreat. However, the rest of his troops are just fine, and proceed to conquer Earth, forcing the remaining heroes, among many others, to retreat.

Things that should happen that I'm not sure where to fit in would be Vegeta learning about the DragonBalls and defecting, Gohan being born, and reintroducing Piccolo as an anti-hero, since he's not pure evil like his father, and realizes his own desire to defeat Goku and conquer the Earth pales in comparison to Freeza's ambitions.


Movie three ("DragonBall Z"), another few years later, would center around Planet Namek, and various forces converging on it. For some reason, the planet is secret or hidden or something, and unreachable by normal means. Like a "Ghost Planet," or something.

Freeza, who has since conquered pretty much the entire galaxy, had been doing so in order to gain the means to reach Namek, it's Dragon Balls, and ultimately, his immortality. I dunno what those means would be (I'm thinking most of this stuff up as I type this, for Pete's sake), but something special would be needed to reach the planet. Ancient artifacts scattered across various planets, or some sort of portal, or "switches" to turn off some protective barrier, or just a nebula surrounding it, or SOMETHING. Either way, Freeza's solved whatever it was, and is preparing for Namek.

Goku and company, in the meantime, have escaped the conquered Earth, and are living a (mostly) civilian life in a traveling drifter colony fleet... thing. Gohan's an energetic little kid, who shows signs of having inherited his dad's strength.

Since the colony's inhabitants consist of refugees from across the galaxy, it could be a good way to involve other, later-DBZ characters who wouldn't normally fit into the adapted movie, or earlier characters who had been neglected. Like Paikuhan, Androids 17 and/or 18, and the like. Possibly other, weaker Saiyans, like Raditz. Definitely one of Bardock's teammates, who survived Planet Vegeta's destruction, and tells Goku about Bardock. Probably Selipa or Toma. Maybe even some incarnation of Trunks, if the writer is clever enough.

Word travels fast in the galaxy, however, and news of Freeza's gaining access to Namek starts to spread. Ultimately, a small but tough resistance force is put together to make one last attempt to stop Freeza. Even if they can't kill him (Nobody can, obviously), they need to do everything they can to make sure he doesn't get his wish, otherwise the entire Galaxy is eternally screwed. Naturally, Goku wants to help (read: fight), and decides to go, along with Piccolo and Krillin, and possibly a few of the aforementioned cameo characters.

The group heads to Namek, where Freeza has arrived shortly before. Vegeta arrives shortly after them, and helps them, in exchange for getting a wish of his own. From there on, things play out not too differently from the original material. The group takes out Zarbon, Dodoria, and the Ginyu force in the process, and Vegeta and Goku gain zenkais (OMG fanterm) at every turn and become really REALLY powerful (it becomes like a competition between them). Piccolo gets in touch with his Namekian roots, and has his hidden potential unlocked, like what with Krillin and Gohan, except it's a Namekian-exclusive thing. And/Or he'll merge with Nail. They manage to succeed in keeping Freeza from making his wish, by managing to make a wish fo their own to revive all those whom Freeza killed in his conquest, right before Freeza unwittingly kills Saichoro, and the Namek Balls disappear. This causes ALL of the defeated opposing forces to be revived, and across the galaxy, they start fighting against Freeza's forces, and WINNING.

Meanwhile, everyone else gets the hell off the planet, save for Vegeta, Piccolo, and Goku, who are convinced they've become strong enough to take out Freeza. Vegeta explains to Goku how Freeza destroyed their planet, how it's a matter of pride more than revenge, and that Freeza needs to die by a Saiyan's hands. Krillin tries to convince them that they're crazy and to leave, but it's no use, and he stays to be of any help he can.

Freeza shows up and is pissed. The heroes fight him all at once, and it seems they're winning. But then Freeza shows his true form (skipping the intermediate ones to keep things uncomplicated), is FAR more powerful than any of them expected, and whoops on them all. Vegeta, Piccolo, and Krillin stall him while Goku builds a Spirit Bomb (energy donated by all Freeza's victims across the galaxy, and 'somehow,' a VERY LARGE portion from baby Gohan), which ends up huge, and he launches it. Freeza does something to avoid it, though, and the Spirit Bomb just explodes and severely damages the planet, while injuring everyone present.

Freeza comes out of it far better than the heroes, and begins to pick them off one by one. He kills Piccolo first, then he tortures and kills Vegeta, but not before Vegeta gets one final plea to Goku, revealing how he'd suspected since their fight that Goku was the Legendary Super Saiyan, and that he must let go of his natural kindheartedness to kill Freeza. Like in the manga.

Then Freeza explodes Krillin. You know how it works from there. Goku becomes THE Super Saiyan, and the big final fight starts. The planet is already damaged and beginning to fall apart in preparation to explode (which NEITHER of them will survive), but Goku doesn't let Freeza get away. The fight itself plays out fairly similar to the manga. Goku ends up mercilessly beating down Freeza, before deciding to leave the planet. Freeza tries to chop Goku, chops himself in half instead. Goku shows mercy and gives him some ki, but Freeza uses it to attack Goku, who fries him with a giant Kamehameha in retaliation, actually, for-sure killing him.

Namek explodes, seemingly with Goku still on it. Meanwhile, Freeza's forces across the galaxy have been severely outnumbered and overturned without anyone to lead them (or force them to fight, for that matter). The galaxy is saved, and the credits roll.


After the credits, a small space pod is shown floating among the debris of planet Namek. It powers on and flies away, hinting that Goku may be inside and still alive.









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Post by Big Momma » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:02 pm

I read it, and it was good. Props! But I have on change I personally would have made.(I maybe would make this, its just a little nitpicking on my part.)
SSj Kaboom wrote:([ Then Freeza explodes Krillin. You know how it works from there. Goku becomes THE Super Saiyan, and the big final fight starts. The planet is already damaged and beginning to fall apart in preparation to explode (which NEITHER of them will survive), but Goku doesn't let Freeza get away. The fight itself plays out fairly similar to the manga. Goku ends up mercilessly beating down Freeza, before deciding to leave the planet. Freeza tries to chop Goku, chops himself in half instead. Goku shows mercy and gives him some ki, but Freeza uses it to attack Goku, who fries him with a giant Kamehameha in retaliation, actually, for-sure killing him.
I was thinking maybe having Goku get hurt during the fight with Frieza's forces, like in the anime(Ginyu's body swap probably) and while he is in the healing chamber thing, the other warriors meet up with Frieza, and I would maybe have Frieza already in his 2nd Form, using that as his base form...it'd be more intimidating, and it'd be more of a shock factor going form that big form to his final, smaller, form and being stronger. The difference between regular and final form isn't too great. Then Frieza pounding on the other warriors until Goku arrives, and begins to beat the living crap out of Frieza. Frieza, in anger, launches at Goku full speed but Goku dodges, and Frieza gets Krillin with his horns, like in the anime, Krillin dies this way. Thats when Goku gets mad, goes SS(J), and begins giving Frieza even more of a beating. Frieza gets mad, goes Final Form, and it continues as you said.

Thats just something I'd thought of. :wink:
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Post by Kaboom » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:19 pm

Hmmm... not bad.

As I was getting closer to the end, I didn't care as much as earlier, but still wanted it to be different. I went with the idea of having Freeza methodically and decidedly kill everyone right in front of the helpless Goku's eyes.

EDIT: That, and I wanted to avoid having too many "transformations," and keep that aspect something special. Plus, Goku's jump to SSj should be THE final big and deciding transformation. I guess Freeza might still bulk himself up to 100% against SSj Goku, but that had to be it for him.

Plus, I didn't say what form Freeza was in at the start. Could've been the spikey, alien-looking third form. :wink:
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Post by Big Momma » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:22 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Hmmm... not bad.

As I was getting closer to the end, I didn't care as much as earlier, but still wanted it to be different. I went with the idea of having Freeza methodically and decidedly kill everyone right in front of the helpless Goku's eyes.
0_o Whoa, I must be pretty tired. I totally missed the paragraph where he killed them all one by one XD

Yeah, I like that one too, its good.
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Post by Carrie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:02 am

To Kaboom ~ I would watch those movies forever and ever and ever. :D

But at the end, what kind of hint would/could you give to the non-fans watching that it's actually Goku in the space pod flying away from Namek and not some random bad guy, without them having to ask their friends who coerced them into watching?
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He (Gohan) is weaker. He has the fighting spirit of a wet noodle soaked in water until it barely resembles a noodle. A pebble is tougher than Gohan, because you could conceivably trip on a rock and stub your toe, while Gohan would yield like so much melted pudding. Vanilla pudding. Because he's too pansy-ass to have a strong flavor if he was pudding. Pure water has more flavor than hypothetical Gohan-pudding.

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Post by caejones » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:23 am

The hint could be... umm... some other character sensing something (Gohan? Roshi?)

I find trying to get early DB to work in the context of a movie series that will be based largely in Z to be... very hard to pull off.
I've tried starting a script-ish thing ... I don't remember quite when, but I've started twice and finished never.
The first one started with the final round of the 23rd tournament, maybe panning over the inside of the stadium so we don't see many characters and just the ring... then an explosion occurs and we look up to see Goku and Piccolo fighting, yata yata yata... and Mr Satan would be among the crowd and would get increasingly pissed that there are so many special effects at what's supposed to be a martial arts fight (never mind that it's all still martial arts... he doesn't know that. :P) and would run off and not do much of relevance. Except, I don't know where it goes after that...

The more recent one involved starting with a sorta sunrise/noon/sunset image of a city as our lead-in image, eventually leading to a sunset explosion and we come in to see two warriors (Tien and Chaozu) coming in to challenge Piccolo Daimao; they fight some of his minions, Piccolo kills Chaozu, then there is a Ten Vs Piccolo fight... Goku saves the day but is kinda collapsed once the rest of the gang arrives, and there can be a lot of character development and stuff given in just how the characters that arrive interact with those that are already present (Yamcha, Bulma, Lunch). DBHunt montage, showing more character interactions along the way, we revive everyone, including Kuririn, Roshi and Chaozu... Goku and ChiChi go off and get married, Woohoo.
Eventually we have a seen a few years later, shortly after Gohan is born, but late enough that it might be reasonable to open the scene with Goku outside training or something (Mt. Frying pan, maybe?). We eventually have a Zoro-esque scene of Goku and Chichi with baby Gohan, Piccolo Jr shows up and things get tense, but eventually lead to a minor scuffle in which Gyu-mao's palace is ruined, Piccolo notices that Gohan has a lot of potential, and then Piccolo flies off. So the family goes off to Mt. Paoz and we skip ahead again. But from there I sense too much Z recap and didn't bother writing anything.

I like what Kaboom and the OP have come up with. XD. Like always, execution would determine if it plays out well or not.
I think maybe having Freeza's transformations be a bigger part of his fighting style--instead of just power ups, but like one of his signature stylistic techniques--might be something of interest to explore, although similarly minimizing insane transformations could be a good thing. It depends really on how you'd want to take the story and characters through the fighting, I guess...
... Actually... Kaboom's 'refugees' story has me extremely interested in trying to flesh it out... there are a lot of awesome things that could be done there that could turn out artistically awesome as well as just plain cool.
(Ah, but the way that's spinning in my head right now could easily turn into Spidey3... which ... wasn't _that_ bad, but failed compared to its predecessors).

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Post by caejones » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:45 am

Double posting is bad, but I figured my last one was long and disjointed enough that adding to it was stupid.

Kaboom's ideas got me taking notes and thinking of how a DB-based movie would work, and I've got a few things, but I'm stuck on some others... and yes, a few of DragonballDaisuki's ideas inspired some of this. :D

So, backstory (I'm not sure when this would fit in the movies): Namek has its catastrophe, Kamiccolo leaves, the Namekians that remain use their mystic awesomeness to make the planet difficult to find. Kami gets attached to the Earth and decides to try and protect it himself with mystic-ness, but is only partly successful--and to do so he must cast out his evil side, otherwise known as Piccolo Daimao.
So when Kami sees the ruin created by Daimao, he creates the Dragon Balls.
Meanwhile, Mutaito mafubas Daimao into a ricecooker and dies. Kamesen'nin throws the ricecooker into the sea, and Gohan finds Goku. Well, from my notes:
My crappy notes wrote: Bardock: *Revolts against Freeza*
Freeza: *Destroys planet Vegeta*. Oh, look at the fireworks! Oh ho ho ho ho ho!
Goku: *Flies away in a spacepod* Raaaa! I am the infant of death, and I claim this planet in the name of discount diapers!
Gohan: Oh, a lost baby! With a tail!
Goku: Bwawawawawa! Unhand me! I must destroy!
Gohan: *drops* Oops...
Goku: *hits head*. O.O Are you my grandpa?
Gohan: Sure!
Fastforward a bit... I think DragonballDaisuki's "Red finds the DenshiJar" idea works well here, and allows us to explore a lot more DB in one movie.
Now, let me add a Denshijar rule: for this story, it was cealed via the ki of every creature on Earth, so it can't be opened unless the opener is an alien (and it requires ki to open it, so no robots... which gives us a reason to explore Gero a bit here if we want to).
Fast forward, and I think I want to use the feast idea for someone's birthday... but somehow I think ChiChi's might be better. It works because... Gyu-mao is a little more well off materialistically than Gohan, and word of the celebration could spread farther. So, Gohan and Goku would attend, and so would KameSen'nin; I think he could give Kento'un to ChiChi, but that would make later things difficult (I mean, what's DB Goku without Kento'un?). But, if it was known by a few that Kamesen'nin would be there, our friend Kuririn might show up trying to become his student, unless he was already and came with him.
Now, let's throw in some action: the RRA attacks, because Gyu-mao has a Dragonball. KameSen'nin, Gohan, and Gyu-mao repel them, and maybe Goku, ChiChi or Kuririn can get involved, but not as much. But... and this is a big but since it bends lots of things... mayhaps Piccolo serves as the RRA's Dragon Radar? It seems odd for him to go with them, though, but we could fabricate a reason for him to be there (protected in some vehicle away from the fighting, of course).
So the kids stumble across it--I was thinking maybe Kuririn decides to look at what sort of things the RRA is keeping in their portable command center thing? And come across the jar, either intentionally or by accident ... so Goku would be the one to open it.
Piccolo would be surprised that someone on Earth was able to open the jar like that, and would follow Goku home. But by then, Bulma has showed up to swipe the DB. Goku and Gohan stop her, and Piccolo attacks. Goku might be knocked out or dazed or something, and Gohan will have Bulma get him and the 4starBall out of there while he holds off Piccolo, and eventually dies.

But, I'm kinda lost after that. There is plenty of room for character when Goku wakes up, and Yamcha could attack like, when Bulma stops to pee or something (And Goku might run off to try and get to Gohan?), so they kinda have to work together to get to Yamcha and retrieve their stuff. Except... what now?
What does Piccolo do?
I can see us going back to Gyu-mao, because Goku will want to train with KameSen'nin now--and ChiChi could take him to Kamehouse. But what happens with Bulma and Yamcha? What are the baddies doing?
I could see TsuruSen'nin, Ten and Chaozu getting pulled into it--they could have connections to the RRA, and, being that they know KameSen'nin, might be sent to get something from him (A DB, or maybe the Denshijar if it went missing after Piccolo escaped; I don't know that they would have it, though...).
TsuruSen'nin wouldn't know that Piccolo had been leading the RRA in secret, but we can still get some Crane Vs Turtle action. It could easily be finding out that Piccolo was behind the RRA that causes Ten to turn to the turtle side. (A Tenshinhan Vs Yamcha fight though would still be awesome, but I don't know if it can fit).
Bulma and Yamcha could run into the RRA some more, find out that Piccolo is on the way to pwning the world... maybe someone gets captured, ChiChi could Kento'un word to Goku if he was still with Kamesen'nin... all sorts of crap goes down. But I'm still confused on where exactly things go from there...
But, why isn't Gohan wished back with the Dragon Balls? Piccolo probably gets his wish (Which clearly isn't for immortality, then...), probably kills Chaozu (I could see Chaozu being the one to try and sneak stuff out from Kamehouse while Ten and TsuruSen'nin are acting casual... and therefore get in a fight with Kuririn). And... meh.
Now, if there were protections of a mystical sort on the Earth, defeating Piccolo might break them. Either that, or someone on Earth makes a wish with the DBs that screws things up... but I don't even know that any such thing would have happened (Kami is just one Namekian, while there were several on Namek the planet).

And... Meh, that's all for now. :(.
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