"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[GodVegetto91]

Dragon Ball Super now has officially the worst writers of any show in television history! This is just sad.. What they have done is unforgivable and unacceptable. It is almost COMICAL. It is trolling, on the highest level. It was completely unneccesary, even for their standards!

This is undefendable. And quite frankly, i am going to stop talking now, because i can’t promise i’d remain civil much longer.

I am speechless.

I am terribly terribly dissapointed. They have now hit an all-time low. Lower than zero. Lower than negative infinity in fact!

[Will]

What the hell is even the point of Ultra Instinct if it can't even win the the one fight it has?

It beat Kefla.

[HeroR]

That's exactly what was meant. GogetaXV posted another translation and that's how he worded it.

https://twitter.com/GovetaXV/status/971 ... 7410627584

Here’s the thing, Herms is s better translator than GogetaXV.

Obviously, but I'm pretty sure that's what they mean in the summary. Herms just worded it in a weird way or the spoiler itself is just worded in a weird way.

Why would Herms word it weirdly?

[HeroR]

I absolutely love this. So many Goku fans were on their high horses for the past several weeks and to see him still lose to a normal guy despite all these asspull power-ups is amazing.

Thank you Toei/Toriyama.

What are you talking about? Everyone knew Freeza was still in so most bet it was Freeza playing some "not so unexpected" winning role.

Goku losing was the most predictable thing to happened just by looking at his win record in Super.

[sintzu]

What the hell is even the point of Ultra Instinct if it can't even win the the one fight it has?

It's bad enough they replaced the more epic looking Omen for this but now it's not even going to win ? seriously, if they were going to have Goku lose why not just let him keep Omen if the end result was going to be the same ?

[perucho1990]

Curious if Takahashi regrets working with a series that has abysmal writing, maybe he would rather work again with Fairy Tail or maybe he gets called for One Punch Man Season 2.

[Sani007]

It would be better to have at least one story in the modern DB when Goku wins. Because of the cancel, this isn't possible in Super, perhaps in the new movie...

Super isn’t cancelled. It’s ending.

Of course it is, and why is it ending? I still haven't found any reason for it.

[Analytical Delusion]

Oh my god, I love this ending. It does make sense though from an out-of-universe perspective. If Freeza wasn't going to play a *massive* part in this, he wouldn't have been brought back.

I hope he's brought back to life as Goku promised, since the story is much richer when open-ended.

Jiren also is preserved as a threat here. I like that - it didn't make sense for him to be surpassed given where the U7 cast started, and it sets up a rematch between he and Goku if we continue the story post-EOZ.

[sintzu]

Dragon Ball Super now has officially the worst writers of any show in television history!.

This is undefendable.

If DB is to continue in the future then it needs new blood working on it as everyone involved apart from Toyotaro have completely messed this revival up from a quality point of view.

You'd think but watch the...I don't like using the word fanboys but it's hard to avoid when there are people who will defend everything Super does so watch them go on about how great of a twist it is and how anyone against it are haters.

[Will]

What the hell is even the point of Ultra Instinct if it can't even win the the one fight it has?

It's bad enough they replaced the more epic looking Omen for this but now it's not even going to win ? seriously, if they were going to have Goku lose why not just let him keep Omen if the end result was going to be the same ?

Because the "more epic" is toei design, and the final design is the real design by Toriyama.
And Toei made Toriyama's design way better in the anime.

[HeroR]

It would be better to have at least one story in the modern DB when Goku wins. Because of the cancel, this isn't possible in Super, perhaps in the new movie...

Super isn’t cancelled. It’s ending.

Of course it is, and why is it ending? I still haven't found any reason for it.

It’s end because it is. Not because it was ‘canceled’. The show replacing Super is an anniversary show that almost always get Super’s timeslot. So this would have been planned for awhile.

[HeroR]

Oh my god, I love this ending. It does make sense though from an out-of-universe perspective. If Freeza wasn't going to play a *massive* part in this, he wouldn't have been brought back.

I hope he's brought back to life as Goku promised, since the story is much richer when open-ended.

Jiren also is preserved as a threat here. I like that - it didn't make sense for him to be surpassed given where the U7 cast started, and it sets up a rematch between he and Goku if we continue the story post-EOZ.

From the summery, Jiren was surpassed. Goku just didn’t win, kind of like Tien.

[Michsi]

It would be better to have at least one story in the modern DB when Goku wins. Because of the cancel, this isn't possible in Super, perhaps in the new movie...

Super isn’t cancelled. It’s ending.

Of course it is, and why is it ending? I still haven't found any reason for it.

A bunch of reasons, but an especially possible one is that in order for everything to fit with how things played out in the last chapter of DB, a five year period of inaction needs to happen. The TOP takes place pretty much right before that period would start. Things fitting with the last chapter of DB was always Toriyama's intention.

[Kenneth La Torre]

You people with the NFL of UI. Jiren is simply too strong. He has been established as superior to a god of destruction since 93. Is totally fine with UI goku not beating jiren

[HeroR]

Super isn’t cancelled. It’s ending.

Of course it is, and why is it ending? I still haven't found any reason for it.

A bunch of reasons, but an especially possible one is that in order for everything to fit with how things played out in the last chapter of DB, a five year period of inaction needs to happen. The TOP takes place pretty much right before that period would start. Things fitting with the last chapter of DB was always Toriyama's intention.

We past the five year mark.

You people with the NFL of UI. Jiren is simply too strong. He has been established as superior to a god of destruction since 93. Is totally fine with UI goku not beating jiren

We don’t even know how Jiren won to say ‘he because he was superior’. In fact, the summery more or less implied Goku had the advantage.

[perucho1990]

If DB is to continue in the future then it needs new blood working on it as everyone involved apart from Toyotaro have completely messed this revival up from a quality point of view.

You'd think but watch the...I don't like using the word fanboys but it's hard to avoid when there are people who will defend everything Super does so watch them go on about how great of a twist it is and how anyone against it are haters.

Keep Toshio, Tomioka and fire the rest.

Hire some writers that worked in great series like Hero Academia, OPM, and more good mainstream series.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Meant NLF.

[Michsi]

Of course it is, and why is it ending? I still haven't found any reason for it.

A bunch of reasons, but an especially possible one is that in order for everything to fit with how things played out in the last chapter of DB, a five year period of inaction needs to happen. The TOP takes place pretty much right before that period would start. Things fitting with the last chapter of DB was always Toriyama's intention.

We past the five year mark.

By much? I know Pan was 4 in EOZ, but I'd assume it didn't have to be 5 years exactly.

[Shounen]

What the hell is even the point of Ultra Instinct if it can't even win the the one fight it has?

Like Kaioken in Saiyan Saga.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Of course it is, and why is it ending? I still haven't found any reason for it.

A bunch of reasons, but an especially possible one is that in order for everything to fit with how things played out in the last chapter of DB, a five year period of inaction needs to happen. The TOP takes place pretty much right before that period would start. Things fitting with the last chapter of DB was always Toriyama's intention.

We past the five year mark.

You people with the NFL of UI. Jiren is simply too strong. He has been established as superior to a god of destruction since 93. Is totally fine with UI goku not beating jiren

We don’t even know how Jiren won to say ‘he because he was superior’. In fact, the summery more or less implied Goku had the advantage.

The summary was pretty clear on that. Goku FIRST has the upper hand, THEN jiren concentrates and gets serious, which cause that UI looking aura.

Order of events in the spoilers say as follows