"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[JazzMazz]

Also, Herms' has translated an interview with series director Ryota Nakamura(who will be directing and storyboarding 130), and they've revealed some really interesting stuff about Toriyama's original draft.
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Also this little tidbit.
D'oh: the God of Destruction Quitela was another of the characters Toriyama designed first, along with Jiren/Toppo/Dyspo. I accidentally left him off the list.[/spoiler]

I find this interesting. So Kale and Caulifla weren't in the original draft, and the magical girl joke wasn't Toriyama's idea either. Also his comment how the ending could set up future stories is similar to what Toshio Furukawa mentioned. This is just going to add fuel to the "series is returning" fire.
It's interesting how they mention Piccolo, since I am super curious if his elimination will happen in the manga like it did in 119. I might have to apologize to that episode's writer...
Or if Ribiranne vs 18 is going to happen at all.

Regarding Buu, part of me thinks he was replaced simply because it would've been too hard to work around all his magic abilities.

18 vs Ribrianne is still happening, since the manga showed the staredown. I don't think it'll be about love though. Giant Ribrianne was definitely from Toei

Also, Freeza lending Goku energy not being in the outline most likely means the stamina nonsense was Toei, we'll see if Toyo uses it too

I think stamina will still be an important thing in the arc, and I do think there will be several occasions where they do push their limits, but I don't think it'll quite as absurd as say what happened in between 126(Vegeta can barely stand) and 127(full power mode).

[Saturnine]

Its true that the writers don't have an obligation to make one of the main characters win everytime. It is however their job(namely Toriyama's in this case), for them to tell a compelling and satisfying story with a decent payoff for the characters involved. Goku not winning, kind of makes a lot of his struggles and tribulations feel pointless, since there is no real payoff to them. Having Goku flat lose to Jiren would kind of be like Goku losing to Freeza in the Namek arc after turning Super Saiyan, its not a satisfying way to draw a climax to your story, espicially one where the hero is constantly getting beaten down so much, that he hardly every earns a clean victory using his own merits.

Yeah, I kinda agree. All this buildup does deserve a payoff. But I'm ready to suspend my judgment until these episodes actually air.

[OLKv3]

I find this interesting. So Kale and Caulifla weren't in the original draft, and the magical girl joke wasn't Toriyama's idea either. Also his comment how the ending could set up future stories is similar to what Toshio Furukawa mentioned. This is just going to add fuel to the "series is returning" fire.
It's interesting how they mention Piccolo, since I am super curious if his elimination will happen in the manga like it did in 119. I might have to apologize to that episode's writer...
Or if Ribiranne vs 18 is going to happen at all.

Regarding Buu, part of me thinks he was replaced simply because it would've been too hard to work around all his magic abilities.

18 vs Ribrianne is still happening, since the manga showed the staredown. I don't think it'll be about love though. Giant Ribrianne was definitely from Toei

Also, Freeza lending Goku energy not being in the outline most likely means the stamina nonsense was Toei, we'll see if Toyo uses it too

I think stamina will still be an important thing in the arc, and I do think there will be several occasions where they do push their limits, but I don't think it'll quite as absurd as say what happened in between 126(Vegeta can barely stand) and 127(full power mode).

Yeah that's what I'm saying. It'll be important, but we won't have the silliness of Goku being completely drained, only to "gain stamina back through fighting Caulifla" type stuff

[sintzu]

So it looks like Super will end on some cliffhanger afterall. I'm not surprised Kale was Toei's idea so this should be enough to show that Toriyama isn't the only writer here and it's more of a team effort.

[Hawk9211]

18 vs Ribrianne is still happening, since the manga showed the staredown. I don't think it'll be about love though. Giant Ribrianne was definitely from Toei

Also, Freeza lending Goku energy not being in the outline most likely means the stamina nonsense was Toei, we'll see if Toyo uses it too

I think stamina will still be an important thing in the arc, and I do think there will be several occasions where they do push their limits, but I don't think it'll quite as absurd as say what happened in between 126(Vegeta can barely stand) and 127(full power mode).

Yeah that's what I'm saying. It'll be important, but we won't have the silliness of Goku being completely drained, only to "gain stamina back through fighting Caulifla" type stuff

I think 17 will shine in later part if he survives due to everyone else being drained.

[JazzMazz]

18 vs Ribrianne is still happening, since the manga showed the staredown. I don't think it'll be about love though. Giant Ribrianne was definitely from Toei

Also, Freeza lending Goku energy not being in the outline most likely means the stamina nonsense was Toei, we'll see if Toyo uses it too

I think stamina will still be an important thing in the arc, and I do think there will be several occasions where they do push their limits, but I don't think it'll quite as absurd as say what happened in between 126(Vegeta can barely stand) and 127(full power mode).

Yeah that's what I'm saying. It'll be important, but we won't have the silliness of Goku being completely drained, only to "gain stamina back through fighting Caulifla" type stuff

I don't think that example was particularly horrible, since the entire fight of the fight was to show the escalation of the fight by having both him and the Saiyan girls pushing their limits in order to overpower the other. The structure of the fight had a pretty clear structure to it, and it was probably the best example of Goku "gaining stamina back" done right.

I have more of a problem with say that latter Vegeta example, because thats just them not even attempting to maintain continuity between episodes.

I was preparing myself for a disappointing ending and freeze.Now,I don't know if I should be happy or sad.

I knew Kale came from Toei

I was sceptical about Saiyan girls,but I was sure that ribrianne joke was from toei.

Really, I thought the Saiyan girls, or at least Kale was a very obvious Toei inclusion, since they had just recognized Broly's popularity before revealing her.

I personally thought that Ribrianne transforming from a cute girl to a chubby one felt more in line with Toriyama's gags than something Toei would make up(though the stuff around super Ribrianne is obvious).

[Raphael_Z]

I have the feeling that Frieza is going to get SUPER trolled. Like, he will wish to become a GoD or even to take Zeno's place as the Omni-King but he will be sent back to Hell on the technicality that he is actually still dead.

Alternatively, I can totally see Frieza making a super generic "revive everyone" wish which would not only revive him (and 17, and the rest of the Universes) but also revive his ENTIRE army. I mean, who wouldn't love to see a future comeback of the entire Ginyu Force?

[Lord Beerus]

I wouldn't be surprised if the episode preview summary was full of shit and we get something completely different in the episode itself. Wouldn't be the first time...

When was the last time?

Piccolo slipping off the stage in Episode 119.

[JazzMazz]

I wouldn't be surprised if the episode preview summary was full of shit and we get something completely different in the episode itself. Wouldn't be the first time...

When was the last time?

Piccolo slipping off the stage in Episode 119.

Why was the preview summary for that bullshit?

I can't recall.

[Hawk9211]

When was the last time?

Piccolo slipping off the stage in Episode 119.

Why was the preview summary for that bullshit?

I can't recall.

Really, I thought the Saiyan girls, or at least Kale was a very obvious Toei inclusion, since they had just recognized Broly's popularity before revealing her.

I personally thought that Ribrianne transforming from a cute girl to a chubby one felt more in line with Toriyama's gags than something Toei would make up(though the stuff around super Ribrianne is obvious).

Well,most of toriyama gag characters are like bacterian,wolfman.They are just self explanotary gags that are dealt in one of two confrontations.Not a complete stereotype of a certain genre.Plus,toei has a lot of history with magical girls.

With saiyan girls,I thought toriyama was going the raditz route.
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[JazzMazz]

Piccolo slipping off the stage in Episode 119.

Why was the preview summary for that bullshit?

I can't recall.

Really, I thought the Saiyan girls, or at least Kale was a very obvious Toei inclusion, since they had just recognized Broly's popularity before revealing her.

I personally thought that Ribrianne transforming from a cute girl to a chubby one felt more in line with Toriyama's gags than something Toei would make up(though the stuff around super Ribrianne is obvious).

Well,most of toriyama gag characters are like bacterian,wolfman.They are just self explanotary gags that are dealt in one of two confrontations.Not a complete stereotype of a certain genre.Plus,toei has a lot of history with magical girls.

With saiyan girls,I thought toriyama was going the raditz route and added broly form on toei's request.

Yeah, the Toei staff and writers that work on Super usually have some form of background in shows like Precure.

[Lord Beerus]

When was the last time?

Piccolo slipping off the stage in Episode 119.

Why was the preview summary for that bullshit?

I can't recall.

Piccolo didn't slip off the stage. He got eliminated by small fighter he couldn't detect.

[JazzMazz]

Piccolo slipping off the stage in Episode 119.

Why was the preview summary for that bullshit?

I can't recall.

Piccolo didn't slip off the stage. He got eliminated by small fighter he couldn't detect.

I mean, what were the spoilers that were a full of crap.

Sorry for not being clear.

[Lord Frieza]

When was the last time?

Piccolo slipping off the stage in Episode 119.

Why was the preview summary for that bullshit?

I can't recall.

Damon tripped him I believe. Its not really BS persay but it was not accurate either.

I don't know how they write the summaries, but they are never out and out wrong, just very vague to the point of easily being misinterpreted at times. For example they keep saying Jiren uses his full power, which is not correct since he's just now going all out but they are not wrong because he's being forced to use more and more of it.

Edit:

No episode this week?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So Toriyama aka the untouchable god:

80 fighters.
>Only initially desgins a few and the arena.

Jiren is the main antagonist.
>Tell's Toei he doesn't speak and gives that backstory.

Designs Dyspo.
>Looks like Beerus.

Designs UI.
>Retraces SSG design...

Toei come up with Kale.
>Then he gets his creative juices going and designs Caulifla.

Massive tournament.
>Presumably leaves all the action to Toei as per usual.

Dragon Ball Super 5 arcs.
>Requests the first 2 arcs retell the movies.
>2 of the 3 new material arcs are tournaments... With the Trunks arc happening due to some sort of suggestion from Toei.

Explore's Goku's past.
>DB Minus...

BoG was all conepted by Toei.
>Toriyama reworks it and fans praise him as like he's somesort of saviour.

Gets to write new movie in 2015.
>Resurrection "F"...

I'm sensing a pattern here... Toriyama needs an editor or should leave the franchise but instead gets free reign on a new movie...

[Bryesque]

I have the feeling that Frieza is going to get SUPER trolled. Like, he will wish to become a GoD or even to take Zeno's place as the Omni-King but he will be sent back to Hell on the technicality that he is actually still dead.

Question: how long is Freeza's "day pass" from Hell? Is it 24 hours like Goku's trip to Earth during the Buu saga? Because... he could be juuuust about to make his wish, and... poof, back to Hell.

An unsatisfying end for Zeno, who gives the wish to the runner-up instead?

[Michsi]

So Toriyama aka the untouchable god:

80 fighters.
>Only initially desgins a few and the arena.

Jiren is the main antagonist.
>Tell's Toei he doesn't speak and gives that backstory.

Designs Dyspo.
>Looks like Beerus.

Designs UI.
>Retraces SSG design...

Toei come up with Kale.
>Then he gets his creative juices going and designs Caulifla.

Massive tournament.
>Presumably leaves all the action to Toei as per usual.

Dragon Ball Super 5 arcs.
>Requests the first 2 arcs retell the movies.
>2 of the 3 new material arcs are tournaments... With the Trunks arc happening due to some sort of suggestion from Toei.

Explore's Goku's past.
>DB Minus...

BoG was all conepted by Toei.
>Toriyama reworks it and fans praise him as like he's somesort of saviour.

Gets to write new movie in 2015.
>Resurrection "F"...

I'm sensing a pattern here... Toriyama needs an editor or should leave the franchise but instead gets free reign on a new movie...

Well, I still think Beerus is one of the best things to happen to modern DB, and the character is his, right? Not the concept of a GoD, but the actual character.

[Hawk9211]

So Toriyama aka the untouchable god:

80 fighters.
>Only initially desgins a few and the arena.

Jiren is the main antagonist.
>Tell's Toei he doesn't speak and gives that backstory.

Designs Dyspo.
>Looks like Beerus.

Designs UI.
>Retraces SSG design...

Toei come up with Kale.
>Then he gets his creative juices going and designs Caulifla.

Massive tournament.
>Presumably leaves all the action to Toei as per usual.

Dragon Ball Super 5 arcs.
>Requests the first 2 arcs retell the movies.
>2 of the 3 new material arcs are tournaments... With the Trunks arc happening due to some sort of suggestion from Toei.

Explore's Goku's past.
>DB Minus...

BoG was all conepted by Toei.
>Toriyama reworks it and fans praise him as like he's somesort of saviour.

Gets to write new movie in 2015.
>Resurrection "F"...

I'm sensing a pattern here... Toriyama needs an editor or should leave the franchise but instead gets free reign on a new movie...

I agree with it.

But on paper,these ideas are not bad there is nothing wrong with a silent antagonist.

I think the issue comes from the fact that toriyama is not an author,he is an artist who is a gag artist at it's core.Dragon ball does not have revolutionary plots but they are unique due to humor,choreoqraphy,designs etc basically execution.

Now,toriyama is only doing the outline which would have a quite different execution if he was doing that himself.Basically,what I am saying is nobody can be like toriyama,they can be better but not toriyama.He is also quite lazy and needs to be pushed or given a directiin like in bog.Compare that to latter film.

Someone commented on reddit Most authors are not good story tellers what they are extremely creative people.

Coincidence or not?Look at the rug.
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[Kenneth La Torre]

I wonder what he he ends Super with, to be speculated that he “MAY” have firther plans with? Maybe goku loosing to jiren isn’t bad if the story will continue further down the line.

[HeroR]

What’s the difference? that’s his own choice, Hit didn’t have to throw the fight. He was not bound to any true law that stated he must and he was not actually weak enough to actually be ring out. Much like Gohan he could have won if he really wanted to but He through himself out due to his connection to Goku plus his own issues with Beerus and Champa. Goku did not beat him himself.

Arguing cirmantics dose not change the fact that Goku has only ever really won 1 tournament is a strait fight, with is other two being team match’s that were won both times due to his opponents better nature and in only one of those was Goku the last man standing.

Edit:

Goku being in a tournament is almost a guarantee he’s not going to win. Almost as much as it was that Yamaha would never make it past the quarter-finals.

It was Hit's decision, but Goku's previous actions did influence it, otherwise he wouldn't have jumped off the stage. Which is why I said that Goku did have a part in Hit's decision. That and Goku made Hit warm up to the point that he thought the only honorable thing to do was jumped.