Frieza was a mutant who was born stronglancerman wrote:So I read this post. The first time you attempt to make an argument it goes into the Jiran discussion. Even that was just your opinion of Jiran and had nothing to do with your initial argument of why was he so strong. Jiran is a standoffish superhero caricature. His backstory explains why he is a standoffish super hero character. He believes in justice because he wanted avenge his parents, he's standoffish because he doesn't trust people since he was betrayed by his former team. The character is basically Batman. He's very driven to the point of insanity and is an unsocial prick. Despite popular opinion, a character doesn't have to be likeable to be a good character.Shuby wrote:It has nothing to do with spoon feeding but when they leave out or dont even make an attempt to explain certain things which can annoy viewers/fans or leaves them questioning because an essential piece of the puzzle is missing, it is then pretty natural to ask or point out things which the series should have done, I'm sorry but a bad and a inconsistent written episodes or aspects of the show should be pointed out, no series is perfect but that's where constructive criticizing comes from. The fact that you're giving silly arguments such as stop expecting them to spoon feed you or arguments such as:He TRAINED. Do you need to know why Freeza was as strong as he was, or King Piccolo, or Boo, or anybody? Do you really need it all spoonfed to you, uumh why make an attempt to explain his back story then only for the execution to be this shallow and uninteresting? Jiren isn't a character at all. Jiren is a plot device so he is not a villain compared to characters you've mentioned.Why does Jiren get hate over the others? Because he lacks the charm. Personality does wonder to hide a character's flaws; Freeza, Cell, and Buu all had some kind of charm or cuteness to their personality that made them entertaining to watch even if they are stupid. Jiren does not. Add in the terrible backstory and Jiren has nothing to hide his flaws - they're in plain view. He's not very pro-active and his strength is OP which ruins the "tension". All of this can and will take the viewer out of their suspension of disbelief - that may be the worst thing a character can do outside being boring. Jiren has both, even if other characters are badly written it doesn't excuse him.lancerman wrote:
Then you shouldn’t have made the post. Also no offense anybody who made a giant monstrosity of a post that essentially boiled down to “they didn’t spoon feed me enough information and didn’t cater to certain characters I wanted” should talk about embarrassing arguments.
Seems like you just wanted your silly opinion validated.
You don't need a backstory to make a character interesting *all the time*. A characters personality and character interactions is enough to find entertaining and engaging. A villain doesn't always need to be complex to make him/her and the story work. the difference between jiren and Freeza/cell/buu is that jiren doesnt DO anything. he has no presence in this arc and is only the focus now because hes the only one left. frieza, cell and buu went on rampages, interacted with people and changed over the course of their arcs whether figuratively speaking or literally, we saw how Super Buu got stronger, we saw how kid Boo turned into Fat Boo, we saw how Cell got stronger, We saw how Freeza got stronger(even if it made not sense), we see nothing from Jiren.
Kid Boo had tons of personality, but he was one of the least interesting villains of not only the series but of the different versions of Boo.
We don't need to know how Jiran got this strong. Cell got stronger because he started weak and his goal was to absorb the Androids to realize his strength. Boo got stronger because characters were fusing and unlocking their potential to get ahead of him so he needed a counter. Freeza the first time we saw him was actually the same strength, his transformation were self imposed locks.
If you're talking about Freeza in Super. How is rationalizing that Jiran got strong through a life's worth of training harder to believe than Freeza spending a couple of months to go from below SSJ to on par with SSJB? It took Goku anywhere from 10-15 years to reach what Freeza did in a couple of months.
We were literally shown that Jiren was once weak but somehow has become stronger than his god of destruction and it's implied he did it alone
That's pretty unique to dragon ball
Cell, buu. And most villains were born with their strength or made with it
With Frieza getting stronger it was explained he simply had that kind of potential
Jiren was made to look like an ordinary kid in his backstory. That training aspect makes him different then the mentioned villains, what kind of training did he do? Did the god of destruction help him getting stronger? Many questions which you may not find interesting, unfortunately for you i think most people who are A fan of this series want at least to know how he got so strong.