"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[RedHeat]

If anyone ACTUALLY believes that the final two episodes of Super will have the lowest ratings in history, then I’m at a loss for words.

Who ever said that?

Look back 1 or 2 pages.

[Kenneth La Torre]

If anyone ACTUALLY believes that the final two episodes of Super will have the lowest ratings in history, then I’m at a loss for words.

Who ever said that?

Go back a couple dozen posts, someone here believes that

[GodVegetto91]

Yes, you don’t have any idea on how DB TV rating or the fanbase is in Japan.

People from Japanese and Western audiences make harsh criticism due to its poor animation style compared to the previous four episodes. Dragon Ball Kai and Resurrection 'F' producer Norihiro Hayashida felt that the criticism was overblown. He said that people were criticizing the entire series based on a few bad sequences that were done by new animators. He went on to explain a quality decline in the anime industry that he believes is the result of studios cutting time given for post-production and not allowing for reviews of the final product. Toei Animation improved the animation for episode five's Blu-ray and DVD releaese

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Super

I can fell after episode 130 Japanese , Western especially Mexico will make more harsh criticism to Toei and Toriyama than before

That interview with Hayashida throwing newbie animators under the bus has been dis-credited by a moderator on this forum.
There is also the fact that Hayashida actually had really no involvement on Super to comment on that sort of thing.

Yeah some of you on here are wrong. Terez already confirmed it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Terez27/stat ... 3464403969

Japanese people are dissapointed aswell.

[Black Hawk]

A True Golden Freeza Deathbeam would be pretty weak vs. Jiren, but a common Ray Gun should be pretty weak, vs. SSB Goku. If Jiren truly believes to be the last player left, he could drop his guard completely. I'm not saying this is a good solution, but I don't think it's less believable than what RoF did to Goku, so I wouldn't rule out, that they do this again.

A good point. It'd be interesting to see Jiren make the same mistake Gokū made early on in Super. I wouldn't exactly like it, but it'd prove Jiren is a man and not a force of nature, if that makes sense.

[HeroR]

So, against my better judgement, I decided to go ahead and take a look at the spoilers for episodes 130 and 131. Judging from what I’ve read, I’m getting the impression that Super is going to end on a cliffhanger that will be explored either in the upcoming movie, or in yet another television series. I can’t say I’m crazy about either of those prospects.

It’s not going to end in a cliff hanger, that’s for sure. Other wise there wouldn’t be a “miraculous conclusion”.

I think people may misunderstand what others mean when they say "cliffhanger". The TOP will definitely come to its conclusion by 131, but there might be some twist occurring at the very end that leave things open.

I guess that interview really got people hoping again, that I'm also one o those who believe that that thing at the very end we're supposed to stick around for will be related to the upcoming movie.

That's called an open ending, not a cliffhanger.

People from Japanese and Western audiences make harsh criticism due to its poor animation style compared to the previous four episodes. Dragon Ball Kai and Resurrection 'F' producer Norihiro Hayashida felt that the criticism was overblown. He said that people were criticizing the entire series based on a few bad sequences that were done by new animators. He went on to explain a quality decline in the anime industry that he believes is the result of studios cutting time given for post-production and not allowing for reviews of the final product. Toei Animation improved the animation for episode five's Blu-ray and DVD releaese

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Super

I can fell after episode 130 Japanese , Western especially Mexico will make more harsh criticism to Toei and Toriyama than before

That interview with Hayashida throwing newbie animators under the bus has been dis-credited by a moderator on this forum.
There is also the fact that Hayashida actually had really no involvement on Super to comment on that sort of thing.

Yeah some of you on here are wrong. Terez already confirmed it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Terez27/stat ... 3464403969

Japanese people are dissapointed aswell.

Big different between disappointed and 'no one will watched the last two episodes and it will be the lowest ratings in Dragon Ball history'. I mean the special was hype up to hell and broke the internet and only managed to get a 3.5 rating.

[precita]

Why does the spanish community treat Super's TOP like its a sports event? These are fictional characters, this isn't like watching soccer or baseball or something where everything happens in real time and could go either way. It's a scripted tournament arc decided months in advance.

The only reason Goku losing to Jiren is disappointing is because they went the extra mile with the silver hair and the perfected Ultra Instinct, it now feels like that happening this arc was pointless. Instead they could have just had him lose with the black-haired Ultra Instinct, and save the silver hair for next time. Now it seems like Goku will have to come up with ANOTHER transformation next time to top the silver hair.

[Dbzfan94]

Why does the spanish community treat Super's TOP like its a sports event? These are fictional characters, this isn't like watching soccer or baseball or something where everything happens in real time and could go either way. It's a scripted tournament arc decided months in advance.

The only reason Goku losing to Jiren is disappointing is because they went the extra mile with the silver hair and the perfected Ultra Instinct, it now feels like that happening this arc was pointless. Instead they could have just had him lose with the black-haired Ultra Instinct, and save the silver hair for next time. Now it seems like Goku will have to come up with ANOTHER transformation next time to top the silver hair.

Watching DBS live is really no different than watching the Super Bowl

[Pkjoan]

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[JazzMazz]

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Pretty sure some of these are fake, or just taken from the preview.

I mean, that teary Beerus shot is redrawn from episode 83 and that Jiren close up is directly taken from 129, except this time with an aura.

[Miracles]

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I've seen better two dollar bills.

[Pkjoan]

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Pretty sure some of these are fake, or just taken from the preview.

I mean, that teary Beerus shot is redrawn from episode 83 and that Jiren close up is directly taken from 129, except this time with an aura.

No idea where those images came from, other people are posting it in other DB forums I visit.

[majinwarman]

But, there is an argument that some of those badges were given by gym leaders that let Ash win because they like him.

And that argument is overexaggearted by fans. In the Kanto anime, and ONLY the Kanto anime, it technically only happens twice.
Sabrina was the only gym where he lost and still got the badge. The other time was the 8th gym where he beat Team Rocket but they werent the gym leaders but he got the badge anyway.
Surge, Koga, and Blaine he beat in a fair fight. Erika and Misty he was also winning (and would have won) but the match got interrupted for one reason or another, but got the badge anyway. Brock was questionable cause he won due to plot armor and anime rules defying the game rules, but still counted as a win.

I need to go back and rewatch those fights that you refer to so I can check to see if you are right. I believe you but it's always good to check to make sure.

[jeffbr92]

Who ever said that?

Go back a couple dozen posts, someone here believes that

I don't believe they will be low, but even so we shouldn't measure the show sucess on TV ratings only.

[Torturephile]

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Call me evil, but I think that would be hilarious. Just watching the astronomical levels of rage from fans that would surface as a result of U7 losing, Goten evaporating, Beerus crying while Whis flips him off, GT theme song playing as it all happens, etc. That would make my year.

Pretty sure some of these are fake, or just taken from the preview.

I mean, that teary Beerus shot is redrawn from episode 83 and that Jiren close up is directly taken from 129, except this time with an aura.

Perhaps fake, or reused animation once again.

[Michsi]

It’s not going to end in a cliff hanger, that’s for sure. Other wise there wouldn’t be a “miraculous conclusion”.

I think people may misunderstand what others mean when they say "cliffhanger". The TOP will definitely come to its conclusion by 131, but there might be some twist occurring at the very end that leave things open.

I guess that interview really got people hoping again, that I'm also one o those who believe that that thing at the very end we're supposed to stick around for will be related to the upcoming movie.

That's called an open ending, not a cliffhanger.


Eeeh, yes and no. I mentioned a twist, which pretty much means a cliffhanger. By "open" I meant "leaving plot points hanging", not "it's up to our imaginations what happens next", like how original DB ended. That is what I'd call an open ending.

Though in all honest "an open ending" is most likely what we're going to get, not a cliffhanger.

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I've seen better two dollar bills.

You know 2 dollar bills are a real thing right? lol

[Sora Saiyan]

A True Golden Freeza Deathbeam would be pretty weak vs. Jiren, but a common Ray Gun should be pretty weak, vs. SSB Goku. If Jiren truly believes to be the last player left, he could drop his guard completely. I'm not saying this is a good solution, but I don't think it's less believable than what RoF did to Goku, so I wouldn't rule out, that they do this again.

A good point. It'd be interesting to see Jiren make the same mistake Gokū made early on in Super. I wouldn't exactly like it, but it'd prove Jiren is a man and not a force of nature, if that makes sense.

That moment when 17 managed to mark Jiren because Jiren was caught a bit off guard seemed to be leading to something like this happening. So I’d say it seems if he totally drops his guard, like SSJB Goku in RoF, Freeza will be the one to defeat him.

[HeroR]

I think people may misunderstand what others mean when they say "cliffhanger". The TOP will definitely come to its conclusion by 131, but there might be some twist occurring at the very end that leave things open.

I guess that interview really got people hoping again, that I'm also one o those who believe that that thing at the very end we're supposed to stick around for will be related to the upcoming movie.

That's called an open ending, not a cliffhanger.


Eeeh, yes and no. I mentioned a twist, which pretty much means a cliffhanger. By "open" I meant "leaving plot points hanging", not "it's up to our imaginations what happens next", like how original DB ended. That is what I'd call an open ending.

Though in all honest "an open ending" is most likely what we're going to get, not a cliffhanger.

Dragon Ball always has plot points left hanging that are never resolved.

[Michsi]

That's called an open ending, not a cliffhanger.


Eeeh, yes and no. I mentioned a twist, which pretty much means a cliffhanger. By "open" I meant "leaving plot points hanging", not "it's up to our imaginations what happens next", like how original DB ended. That is what I'd call an open ending.

Though in all honest "an open ending" is most likely what we're going to get, not a cliffhanger.

Dragon Ball always has plot points left hanging that are never resolved.

I'm sure it has, though I'm curious what you mean? As in examples. All I can think of are unexplored ideas.

And in any case, I wasn't talking about unsolved question type of thing.

[HeroR]

That's called an open ending, not a cliffhanger.


Eeeh, yes and no. I mentioned a twist, which pretty much means a cliffhanger. By "open" I meant "leaving plot points hanging", not "it's up to our imaginations what happens next", like how original DB ended. That is what I'd call an open ending.

Though in all honest "an open ending" is most likely what we're going to get, not a cliffhanger.

Dragon Ball always has plot points left hanging that are never resolved.

I'm sure it has, though I'm curious what you mean? As in examples. All I can think of are unexplored ideas.

And in any case, I wasn't talking about unsolved question type of thing.

Dabura and the demon realm comes to mind, no Online, Heroes, and Xenoverse doesn't count. Also, what exactly was Champa's original wish for the Super Dragon Balls. Not to mention that holed Trunks and Mai thing after they left for a new timeline.