"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Sandubadear]

Dokkan Battle is getting an update with new cards for Caulfila and Kale. According to this, Kale's 'controlled' form is just Super Saiyan 2.

This is her form from 101 it seems, not the one from 114 after she controlled her berserk form

Then Kale doesn't have a SSJ1? I think that 101 form is SSJ1 and 114 is SSJ2.

[RedHeat]

Dokkan Battle is getting an update with new cards for Caulfila and Kale. According to this, Kale's 'controlled' form is just Super Saiyan 2.

This is her form from 101 it seems, not the one from 114 after she controlled her berserk form

Then Kale doesn't have a SSJ1? I think that 101 form is SSJ1 and 114 is SSJ2.

Could it possibly be a translation error? Or maybe it's them thinking that Berserker is akin to SSJ1 and this skinnier form with yellow-ish hair would be the mentioned SSJ2.

[Kenneth La Torre]

This is her form from 101 it seems, not the one from 114 after she controlled her berserk form

Then Kale doesn't have a SSJ1? I think that 101 form is SSJ1 and 114 is SSJ2.

Could it possibly be a translation error? Or maybe it's them thinking that Berserker is akin to SSJ1 and this skinnier form with yellow-ish hair would be the mentioned SSJ2.

That’s probably what they think, but berserker was already shown beyond ssj, so maybe berserker is between SSJ1 and 2, despite berserker swatting aside a SS2? Idk, I’m confused.

[BlueBasilisk]

This is her form from 101 it seems, not the one from 114 after she controlled her berserk form

Then Kale doesn't have a SSJ1? I think that 101 form is SSJ1 and 114 is SSJ2.

Could it possibly be a translation error? Or maybe it's them thinking that Berserker is akin to SSJ1 and this skinnier form with yellow-ish hair would be the mentioned SSJ2.

I don't think it's a translation error. You can see the 2 in her Japanese name. They don't seem to count Berserk as a Super Saiyan form at all in this game. The cards are just Kale (Berserk) and she's (afaik) the only Super Saiyan who doesn't have the Super Saiyan link skill.

[ToshioWrites]

I love how most of the recent spoilers have been trying to make us think that freeza isn't on the stage. Even in the show they haven't mentioned him and didn't show him on the GodPad

[BlueBasilisk]

I love how most of the recent spoilers have been trying to make us think that freeza isn't on the stage. Even in the show they haven't mentioned him and didn't show him on the GodPad

Nobody is fooled by it though, and it's frankly stupid that they're trying when he's only been absent for one episode.

[Michsi]

Would their fight bring something interesting to the plot ?

If Goku is in his last years and so is Vegeta, who else can they fight ? Although Goku is most of the time ahead of Vegeta, Vegeta is also ahead of everyone else so if these 2 are going to die and they both need one final fight to die happily, a fight between them is the only fight that'll fit that bill.

DB is clearly not ending anytime soon but if Goku is to have one final fight to end all fights, Vegeta is the one and only one he can fight as he'll be the only one keeping up with him at that point.

I think Draconic's example was referring to the how they could insert a fight between them in the movie. They're a long way away from their final tear, also I don't see the writers are keen on covering that anyway, as it practically means the end on DB.

[Nevaeh]

Dokkan Battle is getting an update with new cards for Caulfila and Kale. According to this, Kale's 'controlled' form is just Super Saiyan 2.

This is her form from 101 it seems, not the one from 114 after she controlled her berserk form

Nah it's 114 Kale. The animation makes it clear. Dokkan just pulled a Heroes and didn't darken up her hair more

[Simere]

Would their fight bring something interesting to the plot ?

If Goku is in his last years and so is Vegeta, who else can they fight ? Although Goku is most of the time ahead of Vegeta, Vegeta is also ahead of everyone else so if these 2 are going to die and they both need one final fight to die happily, a fight between them is the only fight that'll fit that bill.

DB is clearly not ending anytime soon but if Goku is to have one final fight to end all fights, Vegeta is the one and only one he can fight as he'll be the only one keeping up with him at that point.

Vegeta is at least 7 years older than Goku physically, 15~ if you consider Goku didn't age while dead. Their last years shouldn't coincide.

[sintzu]

I don't see the writers are keen on covering that as it practically means the end on DB.

GT "ended" DB but that didn't stop them from finding a way to continue it. They could just ask Toriyama to have it happen after a major timeskip so that they can write stories within those years like they're doing now.

[Glen300]

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9742 ... 15969?s=20

Latest spoilers from Herms, nothing new but it seems more definitive that Goku will be eliminated.

[TheMikado]

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9742 ... 15969?s=20

Latest spoilers from Herms, nothing new but it seems more definitive that Goku will be eliminated.

The fan base will destroy everything when this happens..

In other news I’m predicting the series will expand to time travel and the demon realm at this point since there really isn’t anywhere else to go and those two themes seem to always come up in tandem. I’m predicting the movie and any future series if there is one will be time and demon realm based since Goku and the universes surviving wouldn’t make any sense with the EoZ at this point. Vegeta, 17, Or Gohan should be more powerful than Uub not even taking into consideration Jiren or Toppo or UI so at this point EoZ really doesn’t make sense.

[vashter]

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9742 ... 15969?s=20

Latest spoilers from Herms, nothing new but it seems more definitive that Goku will be eliminated.

The fan base will destroy everything when this happens..

In other news I’m predicting the series will expand to time travel and the demon realm at this point since there really isn’t anywhere else to go and those two themes seem to always come up in tandem. I’m predicting the movie and any future series if there is one will be time and demon realm based since Goku and the universes surviving wouldn’t make any sense with the EoZ at this point. Vegeta, 17, Or Gohan should be more powerful than Uub not even taking into consideration Jiren or Toppo or UI so at this point EoZ really doesn’t make sense.

EoZ isn't going happened sadly... demon? lol noooooo this gonna have to do with the movie.

[GodVegetto91]

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9742 ... 15969?s=20

Latest spoilers from Herms, nothing new but it seems more definitive that Goku will be eliminated.

And the hate will continue.

[Sani007]

Since I know the story continues (DB Super Movie), I don't mind if Goku loses in ToP.

[Nevaeh]

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9742 ... 15969?s=20

Latest spoilers from Herms, nothing new but it seems more definitive that Goku will be eliminated.

Herms should honestly sell his translations. Youtubers are making crazy money off his work

[sintzu]

Since I know the story continues (DB Super Movie), I don't mind if Goku loses in ToP.

If they're going to do 3 tournaments like the original then Goku will most likely win the last 1.

[darzap]

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9742 ... 15969?s=20

Latest spoilers from Herms, nothing new but it seems more definitive that Goku will be eliminated.

Herms should honestly sell his translations. Youtubers are making crazy money off his work

Assuming decency, I always guessed that those who regularly do videos of which Herm's tweets are the core content would offer him an appropriate part of the profits of those videos unprompted behind the scenes.

[Michsi]

Would their fight bring something interesting to the plot ?

If Goku is in his last years and so is Vegeta, who else can they fight ? Although Goku is most of the time ahead of Vegeta, Vegeta is also ahead of everyone else so if these 2 are going to die and they both need one final fight to die happily, a fight between them is the only fight that'll fit that bill.

DB is clearly not ending anytime soon but if Goku is to have one final fight to end all fights, Vegeta is the one and only one he can fight as he'll be the only one keeping up with him at that point.

Vegeta is at least 7 years older than Goku physically, 15~ if you consider Goku didn't age while dead. Their last years shouldn't coincide.

True, and I did consider that too when I first read the DBO timeline, but I think Goku would still do it out of courtesy. He'd want to fight Vegeta while he is still at full power, but also because Goku too would prefer to go out like that had the roles been reversed and he'd been the older one.
But I think DBO mentioned something about Goku not really dying then? Can't remember, it's been years.

I don't see the writers are keen on covering that as it practically means the end on DB.

GT "ended" DB but that didn't stop them from finding a way to continue it. They could just ask Toriyama to have it happen after a major timeskip so that they can write stories within those years like they're doing now.

GT practically made Goku immortal.

A lot of people complain that EOZ acts as a sort of limiter for DBS, that all these events and transformations render some elements of EOZ meaningless (like Goku looking forward to meeting Uub, having been bored for 5 years) The final fight, if they'd ever show it, would have a similar effect.

And it depends how much Toriyama is willing to use any of his DBO ideas. Idon't think any of those ideas came up in DBS. He already drew Goku as an old man once, and I think he jokingly mentioned once in an interview that Vegeta dies of an heart attack or something like that because of his temper in his old age (don't quote me on this)

[BlueBasilisk]

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9742 ... 15969?s=20

Latest spoilers from Herms, nothing new but it seems more definitive that Goku will be eliminated.

Since they asked "Who will be the MVP," I'm betting Goku is declared the MVP and that's how they offset the fact he loses again.