Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[SayianBeyondGod]

I'm not addressing his translation at all. I've not said one word about it but you won't stop accusing me of attacking him. You. I'm attacking you. Your understanding of English, not his understanding of Japanese.

I'm aware of that, I'm arguing the fact you think reputations has more credibility than one's information.

I don’t know what your friends view on “perfect” Japanese is, but when he was asked if he knows Japanese.

I do, not perfect, but I do.

When somebody jokingly poked fun in response.

I take no offense to that, it's the truth, I'm far from perfect.
But it's not like you need perfect japanese to understand what's going on in Dragon Ball of all things. And again, anyone with a tiny bit of knowledge would know that what Vegeta said was extremely badly translated, it kind of feels like the guy didn't know what Vegeta said and filled up the gap with whatever he felt was good.

Again, no idea what his view on perfect Japanese is, and if you want to truly make a comparison between him and Herms? But if so it’s worth noting that Herms passed the highest level of the Japanese language proficiency test. From what I’ve read read about this before, passing JLPT N1 (highest level) means that the person is considered fluent in Japanese in Japan.

According to a family member that has a decade near experience, JLPT is optional. She has a blue card which is credible enough as it means she has the skills to teach minors. I heard that no matter how good a non native are they'll be never be good at as a native or someone whom would live in Japan. But I don't beileve you need to be close the perfect or a level 1 in JPLT to be able to translate statements from Dragon Ball especially a show which isn't deep in context with very basic statements. Dragon Ball is aimed at kids and adults, like halo and MCU films.

[Simere]

I'm aware of that, I'm arguing the fact you think reputations has more credibility than one's information.

I think you think credibility matters more than it does. The information stands on its own; it's right or it's wrong regardless of whether the person giving it has credibility. And it's not like I came in out of nowhere decrying this guy's lack of credibility; you established him as "trusted translator" to begin with, and all I said was "Uh, no one's even heard of this guy you're not even telling us the identity of". That he's not a known and trusted figure doesn't make him wrong, but if there's ever contradicting translations I'm certainly not going to trust him.

f they can if they can elaborate in great context then they tend to be credible. Especially they prove what they're arguing, like these kanjis in the passage mean this or this can be interpreted as this since it cuts off making it a separate statement.

Someone can make a persuasive argument, but at the end of the day, if you don't know the language you can't do much to verify the information. For example, Herms has been insisting that Migatte no Goku'i is almost certainly not a pun on Goku's name. I've read what he's said about it, but it still seems to me like he doesn't fully know what a pun is, or has forgotten because DB's are so low effort. But maybe it's me who doesn't understand how puns work in Japanese. I'm not in a position to figure out what's right one way or the other. Speaking more to your example, maybe there's some quirk of grammar they're overlooking that changes the meaning. Maybe their understanding of how to translate it to English is off. And if they don't know it, you certainly won't. This is where vetting by peers comes in. That's where trust is established.

Trust, again, having nothing intrinsically to do with accuracy. But this fandom runs rampant with bad translations. Those who are trusted have earned it; that you were calling this guy trusted when he hadn't was just something I wanted to quickly point out. Didn't mean to make a big thing about it.

[Sora Saiyan]

According to a family member that has a decade near experience, JLPT is optional. She has a blue card which is credible enough as it means she has the skills to teach minors. I heard that no matter how good a non native are they'll be never be good at as a native or someone whom would live in Japan. But I don't beileve you need to be close the perfect or a level 1 in JPLT to be able to translate statements from Dragon Ball especially a show which isn't deep in context with very basic statements. Dragon Ball is aimed at kids and adults, like halo and MCU films.

Yeah, it’s totally optional, it’s mainly important to show how credible somebody is, and if the person is foreign to be seen as fluent when applying for a job in Japan. I’ve read an N2 can get certain jobs, but an N1 is viewed much more highly, especially if the job requires a lot of reading and verbal communication with people.

I do agree that you probably don’t need to have a JLPT N1 to understand Dragon Ball, I just noticed Herms being brought up a few times so I’m just mentioning why he’s so credible. Never seen or heard anything of Ken Xyro (seen him mentioned too), but I’ve seen that he has his JLPT N3.

[buutenks]

Still discussing the 'might' thing? WHy dont you all give it a rest, episode will be out in 25-26 hours or so.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Still discussing the 'might' thing? WHy dont you all give it a rest, episode will be out in 25-26 hours or so.

That's like asking politicians to stop trying to deny climate change

[Sora Saiyan]

*posting error*

[Sora Saiyan]

Messed up my post.

[buutenks]

Still discussing the 'might' thing? WHy dont you all give it a rest, episode will be out in 25-26 hours or so.

That's like asking politicians to stop trying to deny climate change

Haha, ye but they arent even debating if UI Goku would beat Beerus, they are debating which translation is good lol.

[HeroR]

I'm aware of that, I'm arguing the fact you think reputations has more credibility than one's information.

I think you think credibility matters more than it does. The information stands on its own; it's right or it's wrong regardless of whether the person giving it has credibility. And it's not like I came in out of nowhere decrying this guy's lack of credibility; you established him as "trusted translator" to begin with, and all I said was "Uh, no one's even heard of this guy you're not even telling us the identity of". That he's not a known and trusted figure doesn't make him wrong, but if there's ever contradicting translations I'm certainly not going to trust him.

f they can if they can elaborate in great context then they tend to be credible. Especially they prove what they're arguing, like these kanjis in the passage mean this or this can be interpreted as this since it cuts off making it a separate statement.

Someone can make a persuasive argument, but at the end of the day, if you don't know the language you can't do much to verify the information. For example, Herms has been insisting that Migatte no Goku'i is almost certainly not a pun on Goku's name. I've read what he's said about it, but it still seems to me like he doesn't fully know what a pun is, or has forgotten because DB's are so low effort. But maybe it's me who doesn't understand how puns work in Japanese. I'm not in a position to figure out what's right one way or the other. Speaking more to your example, maybe there's some quirk of grammar they're overlooking that changes the meaning. Maybe their understanding of how to translate it to English is off. And if they don't know it, you certainly won't. This is where vetting by peers comes in. That's where trust is established.

Trust, again, having nothing intrinsically to do with accuracy. But this fandom runs rampant with bad translations. Those who are trusted have earned it; that you were calling this guy trusted when he hadn't was just something I wanted to quickly point out. Didn't mean to make a big thing about it.

Geekdom did an entire video with Herms about the meaning of Migatte no Gokuu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g0CcAqxiCo

[SayianBeyondGod]

According to a family member that has a decade near experience, JLPT is optional. She has a blue card which is credible enough as it means she has the skills to teach minors. I heard that no matter how good a non native are they'll be never be good at as a native or someone whom would live in Japan. But I don't beileve you need to be close the perfect or a level 1 in JPLT to be able to translate statements from Dragon Ball especially a show which isn't deep in context with very basic statements. Dragon Ball is aimed at kids and adults, like halo and MCU films.

Yeah, it’s totally optional, it’s mainly important to show how credible somebody is, and if the person is foreign to be seen as fluent when applying for a job in Japan. I’ve read an N2 can get certain jobs, but an N1 is viewed much more highly, especially if the job requires a lot of reading and verbal communication with people.

I do agree that you probably don’t need to have a JLPT N1 to understand Dragon Ball, I just noticed Herms being brought up a few times so I’m just mentioning why he’s so credible. Never seen or heard anything of Ken Xyro (seen him mentioned too), but I’ve seen that he has his JLPT N3.

Yeah I agree, but I don't know the amount of experience needed for a JLPT N1 or N3. As I said I have a family member who doesn't live in Japan nor have a JLPT at all but rather the blue card with around 7 years experience IIRC. Yet she's capable of translating anything from DB such as the anime without subtitles, the entire DB Super: the movie V-Jump promo, the limitxbreaker song with just kanjis and spoilers. I don't think it'll take too much experience, knowing Dragon Ball is a simplistic show now days.

[Simere]

Someone can make a persuasive argument, but at the end of the day, if you don't know the language you can't do much to verify the information. For example, Herms has been insisting that Migatte no Goku'i is almost certainly not a pun on Goku's name. I've read what he's said about it, but it still seems to me like he doesn't fully know what a pun is, or has forgotten because DB's are so low effort. But maybe it's me who doesn't understand how puns work in Japanese.

Geekdom did an entire video with Herms about the meaning of Migatte no Gokuu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g0CcAqxiCo

No offense to you or Geekdom, but I'm really loath to watch a 22 minute video where Herms will probably just go over what he's already said before here that I could read in 15 seconds...but I will anyway, just in case there's something I haven't heard him say about puns before.

[Hugo Boss]

Still discussing the 'might' thing? WHy dont you all give it a rest, episode will be out in 25-26 hours or so.

I’m actually finding the discussion interesting. I didn’t know anything about Japanese proficiency levels. Though, I usually don’t care about the credibility of a translator when it comes to Dragon Ball’s strength comparisons.

[buutenks]

Still discussing the 'might' thing? WHy dont you all give it a rest, episode will be out in 25-26 hours or so.

I’m actually finding the discussion interesting. I didn’t know anything about Japanese proficiency levels. Though, I usually don’t care about the credibility of a translator when it comes to Dragon Ball’s strength comparisons.

Well it is good that you enjoy it then i guess.

Still tho, since it's a magazine what is written in it has no actual value on where Goku and Beerus stand compared to one another Pl wise. Only the anime and the manga can do that.

[HeroR]

Someone can make a persuasive argument, but at the end of the day, if you don't know the language you can't do much to verify the information. For example, Herms has been insisting that Migatte no Goku'i is almost certainly not a pun on Goku's name. I've read what he's said about it, but it still seems to me like he doesn't fully know what a pun is, or has forgotten because DB's are so low effort. But maybe it's me who doesn't understand how puns work in Japanese.

Geekdom did an entire video with Herms about the meaning of Migatte no Gokuu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g0CcAqxiCo

No offense to you or Geekdom, but I'm really loath to watch a 22 minute video where Herms will probably just go over what he's already said before here that I could read in 15 seconds...but I will anyway, just in case there's something I haven't heard him say about puns before.

I just put the link for reference for anyone who's interested. I also don't recall Herms going into such depth, although he did give an abridge version of what he said in the video on Twitter.

[Doctor.]

So the manga chapter is out. Is Gohan ultimate or base?

[Freeza9000]

So the manga chapter is out. Is Gohan ultimate or base?

Migatte no Bangui, my dude.

[Hawk9211]

So the manga chapter is out. Is Gohan ultimate or base?

No idea but they were about to eliminate trio de danger before freezer sneak attacked.

[Black Hawk]

So the manga chapter is out. Is Gohan ultimate or base?

I'd imagine he's in his base state. The anime adaptation gave him the famous bang whenever he was Ultimate, and I expect the manga adaptation will likely do the same.

[spoiler]On another note, I fangirled that Gohan-kun fought an even battle against the Trio of Danger pretty easily and rescued Piccolo![/spoiler]

[Marlowe89]

Looks like Universe 9's fighters are all a bit beneath the base Saiyans just like in the anime. No major power-scaling differences so far other than the Trio de Dangers not having any special transformations in the manga.

[ZombieVito]

So Piccolo beat Bergamo without an issue in the manga.

Looks like he is over base tier.