Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[STH]

How is it people STILL confuse Yamoshi the first Super Saiyan with the unnamed first SSG?

They're NOT the same person!

Yamoshi was never the first SSG. He was the reason the first one was possible.

They are the same person.
However, according to the last interview, SSJ God form never appeared in the past.

Q: Was the “legendary Super Saiyan” Freeza feared the Super Saiyan God that appeared in Battle of Gods?

A: In a certain sense, they are the same person. That is to say, very long ago, before Planet Vegeta was the Saiyans’ planet, there was a man named Yamoshi who had a righteous heart despite being a Saiyan. He and his five comrades started a rebellion, but he was cornered by combatants and became a Super Saiyan for the first time, though his transformation and fearsome fighting style shocked the other Saiyans. Outnumbered, Yamoshi eventually wore himself out and was defeated, but this was only the beginning of his legend. Afterwards, Yamoshi’s spirit wandered in continuous search of six righteous-hearted Saiyans, seeking a new savior: Super Saiyan God.

[Tori-bot] “And that’s why there’s that ceremony to become Super Saiyan God.”


Q: And why did Beerus search for Super Saiyan God?

A: Beerus probably picked up on information about Yamoshi’s spirit in his prophetic dream. The fact that this is recorded in the Namekian book of legends is likewise because the Namekian elder who wrote it sympathized with Yamoshi’s spirit.)

Yeah, people interpret that wrong in their assumption on Yamoshi becoming a SSG. People need to get their contextual analysis straight.

Yamoshi was DEFINITELY the Legendary Super Saiyan, potentially the first Super Saiyan ever. Notice that the interviewer asked about the SSG that was mentioned in the movie, meaning that Toriyama was addressing that particular individual's relation to the Legendary Super Saiyan. Also notice that he said that Yamoshi's spirit wandering in search of six righteous Saiyans is why there's a ritual to become a SSG. And what does the ritual do? It turns one of said six pure-hearted Saiyans into a SSG, not that Yamoshi himself becomes one. Otherwise, it'd always be SSG Yamoshi, not SSG Whoever and SSG Goku.

Yamoshi died, his spirit wanders and gets picked up on by Beerus and the Namekians, and his wandering ultimately allows Saiyans to become Super Saiyan Gods.

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To bring this entirely back on topic, I have a feeling that Yamoshi's role in the story of the Saiyans will be mentioned and/or heavily involved in the movie. Toriyama didn't seem to have simply thought it up on the spot when he was asked.

Oh, thanks for your explanation.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I quite liked Toriyama's Super Saiyan explanation. Really hope it makes it into the movie and doesn't stay a tidbit on paper.

Also really liked the Yamoshi stuff too so ditto on that making it to the movie too. It proves, well to me at least, Toriyama exploring the past isn't totally a lost cause.

Hope we get the Yamoshi stuff animated as a flashback perhaps as an intro to the movie before the title card comes on, they did say this movie was going to explore the Saiyans so it would make sense to start with that.

Though part of me hopes the opening will be a montage of key DBS 1.0 moments but with the newer character designs.

[Grimlock]

Movie 1 should be like Movie 14, exploring Saiyans backstory for the most part of the film and then, next to the end part, the Goku vs Saiyan fight happens. If it happens to be this way, then I'm all for it.

[majinwarman]

I quite liked Toriyama's Super Saiyan explanation. Really hope it makes it into the movie and doesn't stay a tidbit on paper.

Also really liked the Yamoshi stuff too so ditto on that making it to the movie too. It proves, well to me at least, Toriyama exploring the past isn't totally a lost cause.

Hope we get the Yamoshi stuff animated as a flashback perhaps as an intro to the movie before the title card comes on, they did say this movie was going to explore the Saiyans so it would make sense to start with that.

Though part of me hopes the opening will be a montage of key DBS 1.0 moments but with the newer character designs.

That could happen.

[jeffbr92]

Back during the Maeda era, you'd have animators at Studio Junio putting out works with more exaggeration and body movement:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I believe what's some people are arguing is how the animation looks too "cartoony" though being very fluid. That Maeda cut is nothing like that: it's detailed and has good fluidity too.

[prince212]

Movie 16 should be like Movie 14, exploring Saiyans backstory for the most part of the film and then, next to the end part, the Goku vs Saiyan fight happens. If it happens to be this way, then I'm all for it.

I still can’t get why you guys talk about movie 16 when it’s the 20th , if that is because it’s the 16th dbz,that’s is wrong because the next one is dbs ... I’m not sure , somebody explain me please

[Grimlock]

I still can’t get why you guys talk about movie 16 when it’s the 20th , if that is because it’s the 16th dbz,that’s is wrong because the next one is dbs ... I’m not sure , somebody explain me please

Oh, you're right. This one should be called Movie 1 since it's the first for Dragon Ball Super. It'd be hard to start calling it by that because since its announcement I thought it would be another Dragon Ball Z movie, hence my "Movie 16". Anyway I edited my previous post.

[DragonBallFoodie]

Am pumped for this.

Can't wait to see more about it.

Hope it's great.

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

If Ultra Instinct makes an appearance in this film, I hope that they'll stick with Yamamuro's wilder hair for Goku rather than mirror Toriyama's draft where Goku's hair retained the same shape.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

If Ultra Instinct makes an appearance in this film, I hope that they'll stick with Yamamuro's wilder hair for Goku rather than mirror Toriyama's draft where Goku's hair retained the same shape.

Definitely agree, here.

Let's keep Ultra Instinct as distinct as possible.

[THEGOKU]

I laugh now thinking about the days when people would say DB is dead and those of us held out on hope and they laughed. I believe this movie is going to be the best movie in the franchise. As far as the visuals this movie is going to blow the others out of the water. Especially in terms of the fight scenes. It just appears to be so fluid.

[emperior]

If Ultra Instinct makes an appearance in this film, I hope that they'll stick with Yamamuro's wilder hair for Goku rather than mirror Toriyama's draft where Goku's hair retained the same shape.

I like both Yamamuro's and Toriyama's versions, but if I could choose I would like to have Yamamuro's wild hair coupled with Toriyama's color which is lighter and doesn't have black hair at all.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I'm absolutely adoring the animation in the new teaser. However, I've seen the sentiment of “they sacrificed art for animation” expressed a few times and that's frustrating me. They didn't sacrifice the art at all. The individual drawings in the teaser are vastly superior to the majority of what we've seen in Super.

I don't get why people use that one short clip of Goku & Majin Vegeta as their claim that the older animation was always better. That was one scene in the entire fight that looked that good. Nearly nothing came close to that much fluidity and anatomical detail in the series. When I hear people talking about 'life-like' movements, I don't see what the Teaser's animation has. Z rarely had natural looking physics on the character bodies like that.

I was impressed with the animation in the teaser simply because you could see more of the physics in the movement, over the lack of detail. What I hope for is more attention to physics in some areas, over detail. Because I noticed that in modern DB stuff, they never seem to make Goku's hair bunch when he's flying forward and backward, like it used to in DB & the Saiyan arc. Where did that Go?

[RedHeat]

Back during the Maeda era, you'd have animators at Studio Junio putting out works with more exaggeration and body movement:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I believe what's some people are arguing is how the animation looks too "cartoony" though being very fluid. That Maeda cut is nothing like that: it's detailed and has good fluidity too.

I think it's just Goku's design specifically. The new Saiyan has significantly more detail while still be in the same art style.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I think he is new villain;
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Dragon Ball Legends Trailer

That would be terrible! Look at his design he's just a Gohan with savage hair, ugh.

Oh God, I don't want him to look like that. A generic Xenoverse template character. I personally want him to look more original than that or get a unique hairstyle. Or something more like Broly's Base mullet with that body frame to look more imposing or something Shaggy like Gine's hair. Not the overused, single bang Gohan thing. My ideal concept for him would have been something like a pseudo Super Saiyan 4, to somewhat reference it still having ground in the lore but not directly canon.

[AnimeNation101]

I think he is new villain;
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Dragon Ball Legends Trailer

That would be terrible! Look at his design he's just a Gohan with savage hair, ugh.

Oh God, I don't want him to look like that. A generic Xenoverse template character. I personally want him to look more original than that or get a unique hairstyle. Or something more like Broly's Base mullet with that body frame to look more imposing or something Shaggy like Gine's hair. Not the overused, single bang Gohan thing. My ideal concept for him would have been something like a pseudo Super Saiyan 4, to somewhat reference it still having ground in the lore but not directly canon.

Honestly i'd be happy if they added another longer bang next to the first bang. In reality, his hair should be more wild since he's more primitive

[ZeroNeonix]

I quite liked Toriyama's Super Saiyan explanation. Really hope it makes it into the movie and doesn't stay a tidbit on paper.

Also really liked the Yamoshi stuff too so ditto on that making it to the movie too. It proves, well to me at least, Toriyama exploring the past isn't totally a lost cause.

Hope we get the Yamoshi stuff animated as a flashback perhaps as an intro to the movie before the title card comes on, they did say this movie was going to explore the Saiyans so it would make sense to start with that.

Though part of me hopes the opening will be a montage of key DBS 1.0 moments but with the newer character designs.

Explanation? You mean the S-Cells thing? Toriyama was always a Star Wars fan, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he'd borrow the midichlorian concept.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I quite liked Toriyama's Super Saiyan explanation. Really hope it makes it into the movie and doesn't stay a tidbit on paper.

Also really liked the Yamoshi stuff too so ditto on that making it to the movie too. It proves, well to me at least, Toriyama exploring the past isn't totally a lost cause.

Hope we get the Yamoshi stuff animated as a flashback perhaps as an intro to the movie before the title card comes on, they did say this movie was going to explore the Saiyans so it would make sense to start with that.

Though part of me hopes the opening will be a montage of key DBS 1.0 moments but with the newer character designs.

Explanation? You mean the S-Cells thing? Toriyama was always a Star Wars fan, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he'd borrow the midichlorian concept.

It perfectly explains everything in my opinion and fits really well, he basically explained why SS didn't appear for a long time and why Goten Trunks were able to get it so easily, gentle calmer Earth allows for S Cells to increase. But like Midi's it doesn't take away from the fact you still need potential as well.

[jeffbr92]

Oh, you're right. This one should be called Movie 1 since it's the first for Dragon Ball Super. It'd be hard to start calling it by that because since its announcement I thought it would be another Dragon Ball Z movie, hence my "Movie 16". Anyway I edited my previous post.

I thought the fan base dropped numbering movies ever since Battle of Gods. Addressing the first film of Super as Movie 1 would be just confusing regarding Dead Zone is already addressed as it.

I think for the best is still addressing upcoming movies by their abbreviated titles (BoG, RoF...)

[AnimeNation101]

GUYS I THINK I GOT IT
I really think i pieced everything together with the mystery saiyans from the DBS Movie teaser, DBLegends, and even Super Dragon Ball heroes: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=41612&p=1481576#p1481576