HeroR wrote:It has the same limits, which is why Goku couldn't be revived on by Shenron at the end of the Cell Games. This was specifically stated before Goku and the others left for the Cell Games.
Wasn't that just because he didn't want to be revived?
No, they outright couldn't revived Goku with the Earth's Dragon Ball and this is made clear before they fight Cell.
I would link a video, but I can only find TFS shit.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
SirTorra wrote:If this takes place after the ToP, how the hell is the villain gonna be so strong? Dragonball is at its peak in terms of characters power. Maybe time travel? Also the art looks amateurish.
He's been training off screen this whole time
I expect someone to states in the movie something like: "He's many many times greater than Jiren" typical DB trope lol
But I don't know if I would buy it at first, after an entire arc building Jiren as the strongest foe they ever faced to come someone even stronger? How the fuck...
Kenneth La Torre wrote:But android 17 didnt push jiren or did abything remotly serious to him. He caught jiren of guard and scratched him slightly, and that wasnt even full power jiren.
Yes! This Jiren though weakened is way above 17 league anyway, him being able to resist him is pure bullshit.
HeroR wrote:No, they outright couldn't revived Goku with the Earth's Dragon Ball and this is made clear before they fight Cell.
Didn't know that. I always though that Goku asked to be not revived.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
SirTorra wrote:If this takes place after the ToP, how the hell is the villain gonna be so strong? Dragonball is at its peak in terms of characters power. Maybe time travel? Also the art looks amateurish.
He's been training off screen this whole time
If saiyans (and other characters like Cell) have infinite potential, then there's no such thing as an absolute peak of power for them.
HeroR wrote:No, they outright couldn't revived Goku with the Earth's Dragon Ball and this is made clear before they fight Cell.
Didn't know that. I always though that Goku asked to be not revived.
They were talking about going to New Namek to revive him when he spoke up about it.
I can't remember how it is in the anime, but I think they never did got around to consider New Namek in the manga because Goku expresses his desire to stay dead right after they sense he wasn't with the people they revived.
Edit: Heads up. Herms translated some comments made by the VAs regarding the final episode, but be warned, apparently one of them unintentionally spoiled it a bit.
Voice actor's interviews: https://t.co/cBDJjnZIKH?amp=1
Seems like piccolo's actor is annoyed that piccolo was gohan's maid for most of time.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I'm no rush to see another Dragon Ball TV anime, so this new doesn't really matter to me that much. Besides, if Super is going to return, I'd rather the show takes its time before hitting the TV airwaves.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:I'm no rush to see another Dragon Ball TV anime, so this new doesn't really matter to me that much. Besides, if Super is going to return, I'd rather the show takes its time before hitting the TV airwaves.
Yep, and it's not like they can't do another movie or something in the meantime.
Do you want to bet that this will be a much longer break than 1 year?
For me, the real Dragon Ball is a weekly manga and a weekly TV series. The movie is just a little extra for the main production.
Not to mention that there won't fun for me, because after the premiere, everywhere will be spoilers.
People shouldn't really be surprised that Kitaro is going to last a year, I thought most already expected that if DB were to come back it would be sometime in 2019, at the earliest.
Sani007 wrote:Damn. As I thought, there won't be new DB TV series for a very long time.
1 year isn't really that long...
Right. Movie comes out December let that simmer for a bit and get DBS back on air in the spring or summer, with a proper production schedule and everything.
Michsi wrote:People shouldn't really be surprised that Kitaro is going to last a year, I thought most already expected that if DB were to come back it would be sometime in 2019, at the earliest.
In my opinion, Toei doesn't even want to make TV series in the foreseeable future.
Now they are taking huge amounts of money without it. Every few years a movie is enough to keep the interest.
Michsi wrote:People shouldn't really be surprised that Kitaro is going to last a year, I thought most already expected that if DB were to come back it would be sometime in 2019, at the earliest.
In my opinion, Toei doesn't even want to make TV series in the foreseeable future.
Now they are taking huge amounts of money without it. Every few years a movie is enough to keep the interest.
That really doesn't make much sense since Super brought in more money that when they were just doing movies every few years.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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