IGN lists the top 10 plot twists of Dragon Ball history

The S · Post by **The S** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:35 pm

http://anime.ign.com/articles/839/839780p1.html

Some inconsistencies, and I don't wholly agree, but Hell... before this article, I didn't even know IGN had an anime section!

Vaeran · Post by **Vaeran** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:56 pm

So "Goku turns out to be an alien" didn't even make the list? Whatever you say, IGN.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:10 pm

Vaeran wrote:So "Goku turns out to be an alien" didn't even make the list? Whatever you say, IGN.

Probably because Oolong guessed it way back in the Pilaf Saga.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:26 pm

Vaeran wrote:So "Goku turns out to be an alien" didn't even make the list? Whatever you say, IGN.

Well it's a list about DBZ. I doubt the people who made the list watched Dragon Ball, and Goku being an alien is revieled within the first few episodes of Z.

Orochi_Rockman · Post by **Orochi_Rockman** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:40 pm

I.... don't really see how any of those are real "twists". Perhaps Vegeta letting Cell absorb 18 comes closest. But yeah, Goku being an alien is an actual "twist" in the plot and it didn't make the list.

God, is there anything that IGN just doesn't totally suck at?

Prince Vegeta · Post by **Prince Vegeta** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:56 pm

Orochi_Rockman wrote:I.... don't really see how any of those are real "twists". Perhaps Vegeta letting Cell absorb 18 comes closest. But yeah, Goku being an alien is an actual "twist" in the plot and it didn't make the list.

God, is there anything that IGN just doesn't totally suck at?

Long answer: No
Short answer: No

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:24 pm

At the very least the list was funny to me.

AnzuMazaki · Post by **AnzuMazaki** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:32 pm

The show's very first major death, though, was a reasonably big deal compared to some of the temporary inconveniences that followed. (How many times did they resurrect Krillin? It had to be a lot.) It wasn't just that Goku died to let Piccolo defeat the invading Saiyan Raditz, it was everything it took to get him back from the dead. Not only did he spend a full year training in the world to come, but even when the Dragon Balls wished him to life, he had to walk all the way back home to Earth.

Yeah right, it's DBZ's first major death, but in the whole series it was Kuririn's first death that was the first major death of the series.

The only thing more surprising than the revelation was the confirmation, when Vegeta and Mrs. Vegeta actually went ahead and tied the knot. Cheers to the happy couple, though, especially since their kid doesn't have to do the whole awful dark-future thing after all.

"Vegetette" kept her maiden name when she married Vegeta, why else would Trunks' full name be Trunks Briefs instead of "Prince Vegeta II" or "Vegeta T. jr" or something simular to the effect.

IGN sucks when it comes to anime.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:45 pm

Haha, I so agree with their nr 1 and 2. I was very shocked as well!

worldmonsters · Post by **worldmonsters** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:16 pm

I think some of the points were good. Goku dieing for one thing is pretty much a kind of huge twist, seeing as he's actually the main character. Even though killing the main character doesn't exactly mean that they are finished forever in Dragonball Z, but this was the first glimps ever of the afterlife. Having Goku dead is really a major twist in my opinion (as was Krillin's death).

Other twists that I can think of that were awesome:

- The whole wishing scheme of North Kaio, wishing the Namekians back to life and wishing them to Earth was sheer brilliance! Especially since it combined both the Earth and Namek Dragonballs.
- Goku being an alien is indeed a big twist, but unfortunately having begun with Dragonball Z that twist is pretty much ruined.
- Kami looking like Piccolo Daimao. Yeah, don't think you'd have seen that one coming (if you would've watched the thing in chronological order anyway).
- Majin Buu killing every remaining human with one attack, that was completely out of the blue and I loved it.
- I guess Vegeta being Trunks' fateher and Bulma being Trunks' mother. That (to me) was more of a surprise than Bulma and Vegeta hooking up, cause at the time that seemed so utterly ridiculous (to me actually it still does).

I guess that pretty much is it as far as I can think of right now.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:30 pm

AnzuMazaki wrote:
The show's very first major death, though, was a reasonably big deal compared to some of the temporary inconveniences that followed. (How many times did they resurrect Krillin? It had to be a lot.) It wasn't just that Goku died to let Piccolo defeat the invading Saiyan Raditz, it was everything it took to get him back from the dead. Not only did he spend a full year training in the world to come, but even when the Dragon Balls wished him to life, he had to walk all the way back home to Earth.
Yeah right, it's DBZ's first major death, but in the whole series it was Kuririn's first death that was the first major death of the series.

The only thing more surprising than the revelation was the confirmation, when Vegeta and Mrs. Vegeta actually went ahead and tied the knot. Cheers to the happy couple, though, especially since their kid doesn't have to do the whole awful dark-future thing after all.
"Vegetette" kept her maiden name when she married Vegeta, why else would Trunks' full name be Trunks Briefs instead of "Prince Vegeta II" or "Vegeta T. jr" or something simular to the effect.

IGN sucks when it comes to anime.

Had Vegeta and Bulma had Trunks later on in the series, I have a feeling he'd want to name the kid after himself.
Of course there would be many an arguement between the couple over the name.

But yeah, "Mrs. Vegeta"

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Post by **TripleRach** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:36 pm

AnzuMazaki wrote:"Vegetette" kept her maiden name when she married Vegeta, why else would Trunks' full name be Trunks Briefs instead of "Prince Vegeta II" or "Vegeta T. jr" or something simular to the effect.

...Wow, I hate FUNimation for this.

Not only does she not have a surname, but she certainly didn't pass it to Trunks. The only people in the series who do have a surname originally are Gokuu and his sons, but it seems like they just took that away and gave a surname to everyone but them.

/rant

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:40 pm

So just because Bulma and Vegeta have a son means they're married. Last I checked he was just the baby daddy but ok IGN.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:44 pm

If you really hate the list so much, how about we make some suggestions and have our own list on the podcast?

Shenron · Post by **Shenron** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:48 pm

So just because Bulma and Vegeta have a son means they're married. Last I checked he was just the baby daddy but ok IGN.

I agree. It's never stated (in the manga, I don't know about the anime or the Daizenshuu) that Vegeta and Bulma are married. The fact that everyone think they are always bothers me.

Oh, and I would have chosen Goku's withdrawal against Cell. I really wasn't expecting this.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:54 pm

Kendamu wrote:If you really hate the list so much, how about we make some suggestions and have our own list on the podcast?

You, my friend, are a genius.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:08 pm

TripleRach wrote:
AnzuMazaki wrote:"Vegetette" kept her maiden name when she married Vegeta, why else would Trunks' full name be Trunks Briefs instead of "Prince Vegeta II" or "Vegeta T. jr" or something simular to the effect.
...Wow, I hate FUNimation for this.

Not only does she not have a surname, but she certainly didn't pass it to Trunks. The only people in the series who do have a surname originally are Gokuu and his sons, but it seems like they just took that away and gave a surname to everyone but them.

/rant

Actually, the dub only gives it o her parents and son. She's never addressed as "Bulma Briefs". Though calling her mom Mrs. Briefs is more than the original who didn't even give her a name did.

I agree. It's never stated (in the manga, I don't know about the anime or the Daizenshuu) that Vegeta and Bulma are married. The fact that everyone think they are always bothers me.

In the animetoward the end when Vegeta's yelling at Goku for saying he'll give naughty pics of Bulma to the Old Kaioshin, he addressed her as his wife. So maybe during the 7 year gap, they legitimized Trunks.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:15 pm

One of the things that honestly SHOULD be on the list, but wasn't (yeah, this is DB, the list is all DBZ for some reason, even though it's the same series) is Shen Long's death.

Okay, Kuririn, a major character, is killed. Well, we've seen Shen Long revive Bora earlier, so he can take care of that. The Dragonballs are all being collected by this evil demon guy, but Goku can handle him, right? More people die. No worries, Shen Long to the rescue. Piccolo makes his wish. Well crap, guess we'll have to wait a year, then. Oh, and he's stronger, but Goku can still take him on, we assume.

...then Piccolo kills Shen Long. Ouch.

Seriously, not even Goku being an alien can beat that.

Post by **TripleRach** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:45 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Actually, the dub only gives it o her parents and son. She's never addressed as "Bulma Briefs". Though calling her mom Mrs. Briefs is more than the original who didn't even give her a name did.

I thought they also had Gero refer to as "Bulma Briefs" in the scene where he recognizes her.

And actually, I think Toriyama stated in one of the newer guidebooks that he probably would have named her mom "Panty" in retrospect.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:55 pm

No. He just called her Bulma, the daughter of Dr. Briefs.

Kanzenshuu

IGN lists the top 10 plot twists of Dragon Ball history

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