Did Goku Briefly Tap Into UI In M7?

[theherodjl]

A scene in M7 really piqued by interest. Once Goku absorbs the Genki Dama and powers up immensely, Super Android 13 tries to punch Goku but both of his blows seem to not even make contact as if they were parried without Goku making a move. A brief flash even accompanies both hits which causes 13's hands to become burnt & crumbled. In the ToP, Goku is able to tap into UI with the aid of the Genki Dama colliding with him thus causing him to "break his shell." Do you suppose that Goku managed to momentarily tap into a basic level of UI in order to finish Super 13 without him knowing or even considering that he had broken his shell in a new way?
In retrospect and before the ROF film came out then the answer is obviously "no" as the concept of UI didn't exist in DB lore until 2015, its still fun to think about it though isn't it?

[Firebolt]

It's kinda different. In M7 Goku absorbed the Genkidama, allowing him to gain exceptional power. In Super, Goku resisted the power of the Genkidama, forcing himself to break his limits and attain Ultra Instinct.

[theherodjl]

It's kinda different. In M7 Goku absorbed the Genkidama, allowing him to gain exceptional power. In Super, Goku resisted the power of the Genkidama, forcing himself to break his limits and attain Ultra Instinct.

So Goku just has to resist power to gain more power??? I don't think that's how it works, Goku most certainly would not have pushed into a pseudo-Ultimate/Godly state by resisting the power of SSJ forced upon him by rage.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

A scene in M7 really piqued by interest. Once Goku absorbs the Genki Dama and powers up immensely, Super Android 13 tries to punch Goku but both of his blows seem to not even make contact as if they were parried without Goku making a move. A brief flash even accompanies both hits which causes 13's hands to become burnt & crumbled. In the ToP, Goku is able to tap into UI with the aid of the Genki Dama colliding with him thus causing him to "break his shell." Do you suppose that Goku managed to momentarily tap into a basic level of UI in order to finish Super 13 without him knowing or even considering that he had broken his shell in a new way?
In retrospect and before the ROF film came out then the answer is obviously "no" as the concept of UI didn't exist in DB lore until 2015, its still fun to think about it though isn't it?

Perhaps but nonetheless that can be a pretty headcanon if you put this movie being happened during the three years timeskip training.

[Pantalones]

if you put this movie being happened during the three years timeskip training.

The characters have already faced Androids created by Dr. Gero before #13, #14, and #15 show up. Also, Piccolo seems to already be "Kamiccolo" considering that he doesn't show up until after #13 has transformed and he's able to (briefly) catch Super 13 off guard, while the Super Saiyans weren't able to budge him an inch no matter what they did.

The 7th movie can't be during the Android saga training, it has to be some sort of alternate timeline situation where they managed to beat the Androids without gaining the "Ascended" (or "Grade 2"/"Grade 3") Super Saiyan forms and reaching the higher Cell Saga levels of power (maybe they turned them off using the remote control, and presumably Piccolo managed to take out Cell during their first encounter so he wasn't a factor after that point.)

[Sonofman]

A scene in M7 really piqued by interest. Once Goku absorbs the Genki Dama and powers up immensely, Super Android 13 tries to punch Goku but both of his blows seem to not even make contact as if they were parried without Goku making a move. A brief flash even accompanies both hits which causes 13's hands to become burnt & crumbled. In the ToP, Goku is able to tap into UI with the aid of the Genki Dama colliding with him thus causing him to "break his shell." Do you suppose that Goku managed to momentarily tap into a basic level of UI in order to finish Super 13 without him knowing or even considering that he had broken his shell in a new way?
In retrospect and before the ROF film came out then the answer is obviously "no" as the concept of UI didn't exist in DB lore until 2015, its still fun to think about it though isn't it?

I like how you compared gaining UI with M7. But, unfortunately that's not how it works to gain UI. If Goku were to just absorb the Spirit Bomb in Super, then wouldn't he just be gaining that energy + his own? It wouldn't be a "break his shell" kind of idea at that point, but instead borrowed energy.

[theherodjl]

I like how you compared gaining UI with M7. But, unfortunately that's not how it works to gain UI. If Goku were to just absorb the Spirit Bomb in Super, then wouldn't he just be gaining that energy + his own? It wouldn't be a "break his shell" kind of idea at that point, but instead borrowed energy.

Do we really know that? Its quite odd that Goku never received a greater state of power from the Genki Damage for 15 years despite using it multiple times under pressure, all of a sudden it just happens to do so when Goku gets struck by it despite the Genki Dama being said to not harm anyone with a pure heart. I find it just a little hard to believe that Goku only needed to be struck by the Genki Dama to unlock UI this entire time but absorbing the entire thing is unable to let him get even a taste of a higher state, that's implying that Goku may only achieve any degree of UI by reaching a much more powerful level and then letting himself get hit by the Genki Dama. That's a rather convoluted process and just makes Goku's fight with Jiren a little too reliant on this fortunate circumstance, we know that Goku's transformations aren't all just the by-products of sheer dumb luck.
I'd much rather believe that Goku had the potential of UI long before fighting Jiren, if but on a more rudimentary level whenever the Genki Damage was involved.

[Onikage725]

I like the idea, but I think they are too different you compare. In M7, Goku willingly absorbed energy he was controlling. In the ToP, his attack was reflected. So he ate the brunt of it. Then it looks like Jiren cancelled it, which somehow triggered a small black hole that Goku was caught in. And as he fell towards the event horizon, it appears to quantum bounce into a white hole before swallowing Goku. It is after surviving all that nonsense that Goku awakens UI. And, as Whis in the last few eps referred to it as stepping into the realm of the gods, it could be dependant on one having God ki. A sort of perfection of SSG. The last part is my own head canon, so I'm not saying that is fact. But I did think the idea that Goku absorbed genki to obtain the form is flawed.