Thoughts on Super Saiyan Blue Evolution (Vegeta's new transformation)

[PFM18]

The time in which it was around (episodes 123-127) was the lowest point of the Tournament of Power arc. That's not a coincidence. It's an awful transformation, it looks ugly, and it had no reason to exist given how unimportant Vegeta ended up being in the grand scheme of things. It's everything wrong with Trunks' Rage powerup turned up to 11.

I like the idea of characters branching out and getting their own unique transformations; Goku getting the ultimate "martial arts" powerup in Ultra Instinct while Vegeta gets the highest evolution of the "Saiyan" powerup is fitting. But this was such a clunky way to do it. People complained about characters like 17 or Gohan or Caulifla getting "asspull" powerups out of nowhere, but Vegeta got this transformation just because he wanted it really badly. It led to dragging out his screentime in the tournament, which in turn led to the last battle dragging out as a whole and souring people on the arc.

I think I disagree with everything you just said. I have np idea how you come to any of these conclusions. How wad 123-127 a "low point" and how could you possibly figure that Vegeta was unimportant?? Or that this was an asspull?

Here's the thing. Vegeta's big contribution during that portion of the story was beating Toppo. An admittedly big contribution, but it didn't warrant a new form. The "Battle of Ideals" they tried to build the fight around was shallow because they didn't develop either of them beforehand. Even when they fought earlier on, it was just a sideshow for the Goku/Caulifla/Kale fight and didn't amount to anything more than a meta joke about the two second-strongest guys fighting. So suddenly we're expected to care about this big "important" showdown.

Transformations should feel meaningful, either as a turning point in a fight or as the culmination of a character arc. SSBE for Vegeta was neither because he had no arc during the Tournament of Power, and the form was created to fight Jiren but it made no difference in that battle.

If SSBE had debuted during Vegeta's fight with Toppo, it could have meant something. But that would require both him and Toppo to have had their ideals developed, and they didn't. Vegeta went from desperately wanting to surpass Goku by obtaining UI to suddenly being content not having it during the fight with Jiren because "that's not who I am". And because he wasn't meant to be important in the Jiren fight, they had to introduce all these concepts about Toppo giving up who he was, just so all Vegeta's talk about pride and "muh family/Cabba" could seem to matter.

Basically, it all comes down to them feeling like they need to do something with Vegeta every arc because of his popularity at the expense of good storytelling. Ultimately Goku, Freeza and 17 had the most important roles to play, while Gohan had an actual character arc. Vegeta didn't have anything we hadn't seen before, but he still had to have "his moment". So we got an underdeveloped rivalry, an unexplained transformation and a terrible last quarter of the arc, that coincidentally only got better again once he was out of the ring.

I disagree I felt like it did feel meaningful and it was a culmination of a character arc for reasons that I alluded to previously. and yes beating Toppo is a HUGE contribution because at that point he was the strongest and the only one that could take out Toppo and he did.

[Kataphrut]

I think I disagree with everything you just said. I have np idea how you come to any of these conclusions. How wad 123-127 a "low point" and how could you possibly figure that Vegeta was unimportant?? Or that this was an asspull?

Here's the thing. Vegeta's big contribution during that portion of the story was beating Toppo. An admittedly big contribution, but it didn't warrant a new form. The "Battle of Ideals" they tried to build the fight around was shallow because they didn't develop either of them beforehand. Even when they fought earlier on, it was just a sideshow for the Goku/Caulifla/Kale fight and didn't amount to anything more than a meta joke about the two second-strongest guys fighting. So suddenly we're expected to care about this big "important" showdown.

Transformations should feel meaningful, either as a turning point in a fight or as the culmination of a character arc. SSBE for Vegeta was neither because he had no arc during the Tournament of Power, and the form was created to fight Jiren but it made no difference in that battle.

If SSBE had debuted during Vegeta's fight with Toppo, it could have meant something. But that would require both him and Toppo to have had their ideals developed, and they didn't. Vegeta went from desperately wanting to surpass Goku by obtaining UI to suddenly being content not having it during the fight with Jiren because "that's not who I am". And because he wasn't meant to be important in the Jiren fight, they had to introduce all these concepts about Toppo giving up who he was, just so all Vegeta's talk about pride and "muh family/Cabba" could seem to matter.

Basically, it all comes down to them feeling like they need to do something with Vegeta every arc because of his popularity at the expense of good storytelling. Ultimately Goku, Freeza and 17 had the most important roles to play, while Gohan had an actual character arc. Vegeta didn't have anything we hadn't seen before, but he still had to have "his moment". So we got an underdeveloped rivalry, an unexplained transformation and a terrible last quarter of the arc, that coincidentally only got better again once he was out of the ring.

I disagree I felt like it did feel meaningful and it was a culmination of a character arc for reasons that I alluded to previously. and yes beating Toppo is a HUGE contribution because at that point he was the strongest and the only one that could take out Toppo and he did.

Neither Vegeta nor Toppo were the strongest, but that's beside the point. And I'm fine with Vegeta taking out Toppo. I feel like Freeza or Gohan (a supervillain and a superhero respectively) could have had more of an interesting rivalry with him, but whatever.

But we're talking about SSBE and how it symbolises so much of what's wrong with Vegeta in the ToP arc. First of all, everything he's done in Super has been a "culmination of a character arc" because the arc he went through ended in the Buu saga. He hasn't developed or changed since then. He just alternates between two states that are at odds with each other; being a nice guy to show how he's improved, and being salty about his rivalry with Kakarot to show how he hasn't.

And Toppo's Hakaishin state felt like coming up with a problem after a solution. SSBE couldn't make a difference against Jiren, so Toppo got this previously unmentioned GoD-in-training backstory and ideals conflict just so Vegeta could have someone to beat with it. And then, to rub salt in the wound, Vegeta beats Toppo with a homage to his famous sacrifice in the Buu saga (a moment that was actually the culmination of a character arc) except he survives and goes onto use the form a little longer for the fight with Jiren. After which he made no impact and got defeated, leaving the remaining players to carry on developing as characters.

[PFM18]

Here's the thing. Vegeta's big contribution during that portion of the story was beating Toppo. An admittedly big contribution, but it didn't warrant a new form. The "Battle of Ideals" they tried to build the fight around was shallow because they didn't develop either of them beforehand. Even when they fought earlier on, it was just a sideshow for the Goku/Caulifla/Kale fight and didn't amount to anything more than a meta joke about the two second-strongest guys fighting. So suddenly we're expected to care about this big "important" showdown.

Transformations should feel meaningful, either as a turning point in a fight or as the culmination of a character arc. SSBE for Vegeta was neither because he had no arc during the Tournament of Power, and the form was created to fight Jiren but it made no difference in that battle.

If SSBE had debuted during Vegeta's fight with Toppo, it could have meant something. But that would require both him and Toppo to have had their ideals developed, and they didn't. Vegeta went from desperately wanting to surpass Goku by obtaining UI to suddenly being content not having it during the fight with Jiren because "that's not who I am". And because he wasn't meant to be important in the Jiren fight, they had to introduce all these concepts about Toppo giving up who he was, just so all Vegeta's talk about pride and "muh family/Cabba" could seem to matter.

Basically, it all comes down to them feeling like they need to do something with Vegeta every arc because of his popularity at the expense of good storytelling. Ultimately Goku, Freeza and 17 had the most important roles to play, while Gohan had an actual character arc. Vegeta didn't have anything we hadn't seen before, but he still had to have "his moment". So we got an underdeveloped rivalry, an unexplained transformation and a terrible last quarter of the arc, that coincidentally only got better again once he was out of the ring.

I disagree I felt like it did feel meaningful and it was a culmination of a character arc for reasons that I alluded to previously. and yes beating Toppo is a HUGE contribution because at that point he was the strongest and the only one that could take out Toppo and he did.

Neither Vegeta nor Toppo were the strongest, but that's beside the point. And I'm fine with Vegeta taking out Toppo. I feel like Freeza or Gohan (a supervillain and a superhero respectively) could have had more of an interesting rivalry with him, but whatever.

But we're talking about SSBE and how it symbolises so much of what's wrong with Vegeta in the ToP arc. First of all, everything he's done in Super has been a "culmination of a character arc" because the arc he went through ended in the Buu saga. He hasn't developed or changed since then. He just alternates between two states that are at odds with each other; being a nice guy to show how he's improved, and being salty about his rivalry with Kakarot to show how he hasn't.

And Toppo's Hakaishin state felt like coming up with a problem after a solution. SSBE couldn't make a difference against Jiren, so Toppo got this previously unmentioned GoD-in-training backstory and ideals conflict just so Vegeta could have someone to beat with it. And then, to rub salt in the wound, Vegeta beats Toppo with a homage to his famous sacrifice in the Buu saga (a moment that was actually the culmination of a character arc) except he survives and goes onto use the form a little longer for the fight with Jiren. After which he made no impact and got defeated, leaving the remaining players to carry on developing as characters.

But his character arc didn't end in the buu saga. He has groen tremendously since then. This is a common opinion that I do not understand.

At the time I believe Jiren was suppressed and toppo was the biggest threat and vegeta surpassed him becoming the strongest on the stage at the time before Jiren powered up

[Spider-Man]

While personally I like design of it but the way obtain it was dumb and it feels unnecessary.

[PFM18]

Just curious did anybody actually read my opening post before they replied?

[ToshioWrites]

>"Vegeta was unimportant to this arc"

This has to be one of the single dumbest statements I've read on Kanzenshuu. Vegeta beating Toppo who both Freeza and 17 were absolutely helpless against is meaningless. By this logic nobody outside of the final 3 from u7 and jiren had any importance to this arc. Anyways people need to stop complaining about "asspulls". This is how the anime does stuff.

Goku black was pulling zenkais out of a body that had gotten too strong for zenkais

Trunks went from fodder for base black to overpowering merged zamasu in his arc

u6 saiyans achieve and master forms in 5 minutes

Gohan overnight achieved power "that rivaled goku"

Goku in 30 minutes went from not being able to hold jirens jockstrap to beating the living shit out of him and surpassing every GoD

Vegeta gets his new form that allows him to close the kaioken gap completely.

[prince212]

Just curious did anybody actually read my opening post before they replied?

I mostly agree with your o.p .
So I liked that power up look and what is more Important, how he knock out Toppo . Just to remember , Toppo transformed and everybody was “oh my god , oh my god “ , is he stronger than Jiren ? Bla bla bla , vegeta came and ended that real quick ... of course that battle made him lose lot of power and stamina , but that was cool .
Ah , and totally deserved, breaking limits as a good saiyan that train and train

[PFM18]

>"Vegeta was unimportant to this arc"

This has to be one of the single dumbest statements I've read on Kanzenshuu. Vegeta beating Toppo who both Freeza and 17 were absolutely helpless against is meaningless. By this logic nobody outside of the final 3 from u7 and jiren had any importance to this arc. Anyways people need to stop complaining about "asspulls". This is how the anime does stuff.

Goku black was pulling zenkais out of a body that had gotten too strong for zenkais

Trunks went from fodder for base black to overpowering merged zamasu in his arc

u6 saiyans achieve and master forms in 5 minutes

Gohan overnight achieved power "that rivaled goku"

Goku in 30 minutes went from not being able to hold jirens jockstrap to beating the living shit out of him and surpassing every GoD

Vegeta gets his new form that allows him to close the kaioken gap completely.

Yeah I thought that was strange too. Vegeta was extremely important in this arc. Although I think your first 2 points were a bit misleading. Goku's body never became "too strong for zenkais" and Black emphasized the power boosts he got during the fight along with after being injured.(a zenkai) and Trunks "overpowering merged zamasu" is also a bit misleading it implies that he is actually stronger than Merged Zamasu rather than having one attack that exceeded him. (similar to Piccolo vs Raditz or Majin Vegeta blowing up Fat Buu etc)

[ToshioWrites]

>"Vegeta was unimportant to this arc"

This has to be one of the single dumbest statements I've read on Kanzenshuu. Vegeta beating Toppo who both Freeza and 17 were absolutely helpless against is meaningless. By this logic nobody outside of the final 3 from u7 and jiren had any importance to this arc. Anyways people need to stop complaining about "asspulls". This is how the anime does stuff.

Goku black was pulling zenkais out of a body that had gotten too strong for zenkais

Trunks went from fodder for base black to overpowering merged zamasu in his arc

u6 saiyans achieve and master forms in 5 minutes

Gohan overnight achieved power "that rivaled goku"

Goku in 30 minutes went from not being able to hold jirens jockstrap to beating the living shit out of him and surpassing every GoD

Vegeta gets his new form that allows him to close the kaioken gap completely.

Yeah I thought that was strange too. Vegeta was extremely important in this arc. Although I think your first 2 points were a bit misleading. Goku's body never became "too strong for zenkais" and Black emphasized the power boosts he got during the fight along with after being injured.(a zenkai) and Trunks "overpowering merged zamasu" is also a bit misleading it implies that he is actually stronger than Merged Zamasu rather than having one attack that exceeded him. (similar to Piccolo vs Raditz or Majin Vegeta blowing up Fat Buu etc)

Zenkais stopped being anything significant post super saiyan. Toriyama confirmed this in an interview and zenkais were no longer a significant thing in the android arc and onwards.

Trunks overpowered M Zamasu with one attack. The same trunks who before couldn't even touch base Black. Regardless the point stands, powerups of absurd magnitudes are handed out like candy on Halloween and

[TheSaiyanGod]

I liked the transformation, I just wanted it to have a bigger impact on everyone, and to have more screen time to fight.

But overall, it was not bad, Vegeta finally gets his own transformation based on his desperate feeling of getting stronger against Jiren to protect his family and Kyabe, and in this way manages to defeat GoD Toppo, a personage who easily destroyed Golden Freeza and 17 and that could even give work to Goku.

Regarding the visual, I also like it, I think a lot of it is because SSB is one of my favorite transformations and SSBE has improved some features. The darker hair, the pupils, the more detailed aura really did look good

The time in which it was around (episodes 123-127) was the lowest point of the Tournament of Power arc. That's not a coincidence. It's an awful transformation, it looks ugly, and it had no reason to exist given how unimportant Vegeta ended up being in the grand scheme of things. It's everything wrong with Trunks' Rage powerup turned up to 11.

I like the idea of characters branching out and getting their own unique transformations; Goku getting the ultimate "martial arts" powerup in Ultra Instinct while Vegeta gets the highest evolution of the "Saiyan" powerup is fitting. But this was such a clunky way to do it. People complained about characters like 17 or Gohan or Caulifla getting "asspull" powerups out of nowhere, but Vegeta got this transformation just because he wanted it really badly. It led to dragging out his screentime in the tournament, which in turn led to the last battle dragging out as a whole and souring people on the arc.

I think I disagree with everything you just said. I have np idea how you come to any of these conclusions. How wad 123-127 a "low point" and how could you possibly figure that Vegeta was unimportant?? Or that this was an asspull?

Here's the thing. Vegeta's big contribution during that portion of the story was beating Toppo. An admittedly big contribution, but it didn't warrant a new form. The "Battle of Ideals" they tried to build the fight around was shallow because they didn't develop either of them beforehand. Even when they fought earlier on, it was just a sideshow for the Goku/Caulifla/Kale fight and didn't amount to anything more than a meta joke about the two second-strongest guys fighting. So suddenly we're expected to care about this big "important" showdown.

Transformations should feel meaningful, either as a turning point in a fight or as the culmination of a character arc. SSBE for Vegeta was neither because he had no arc during the Tournament of Power, and the form was created to fight Jiren but it made no difference in that battle.

If SSBE had debuted during Vegeta's fight with Toppo, it could have meant something. But that would require both him and Toppo to have had their ideals developed, and they didn't. Vegeta went from desperately wanting to surpass Goku by obtaining UI to suddenly being content not having it during the fight with Jiren because "that's not who I am". And because he wasn't meant to be important in the Jiren fight, they had to introduce all these concepts about Toppo giving up who he was, just so all Vegeta's talk about pride and "muh family/Cabba" could seem to matter.

Basically, it all comes down to them feeling like they need to do something with Vegeta every arc because of his popularity at the expense of good storytelling. Ultimately Goku, Freeza and 17 had the most important roles to play, while Gohan had an actual character arc. Vegeta didn't have anything we hadn't seen before, but he still had to have "his moment". So we got an underdeveloped rivalry, an unexplained transformation and a terrible last quarter of the arc, that coincidentally only got better again once he was out of the ring.

What did Freeza do exactly in the ToP? I mean, in addition to facing the weaker warriors and being destroyed facing stronger guys?
I think just giving energy to Goku ... at least in the end he was important (facing a tired Jiren).

If you look on this side, then several characters were 'useless' in ToP, that just does not make sense.
In fact, what made the SSBE useful was precisely its victory against Toppo (various transformations never defeated an enemy), so I do not understand why you are citing the context of the fight against Toppo, when that is not the point here.

The talk about '' they need to do something with Vegeta every arc because of his popularity '' is also simply ridiculous. This can serve as a justification for any action of any character when it is convenient, just to criticize it.

And what is the bow of Gohan in ToP? Overcome Your Weaknesses? Become a true warrior? Your family? None of this was explored in the tournament, so it's even more senseless to complain about Vegeta when he also had those motivations (which at least were explored)

[PFM18]

>"Vegeta was unimportant to this arc"

This has to be one of the single dumbest statements I've read on Kanzenshuu. Vegeta beating Toppo who both Freeza and 17 were absolutely helpless against is meaningless. By this logic nobody outside of the final 3 from u7 and jiren had any importance to this arc. Anyways people need to stop complaining about "asspulls". This is how the anime does stuff.

Goku black was pulling zenkais out of a body that had gotten too strong for zenkais

Trunks went from fodder for base black to overpowering merged zamasu in his arc

u6 saiyans achieve and master forms in 5 minutes

Gohan overnight achieved power "that rivaled goku"

Goku in 30 minutes went from not being able to hold jirens jockstrap to beating the living shit out of him and surpassing every GoD

Vegeta gets his new form that allows him to close the kaioken gap completely.

Yeah I thought that was strange too. Vegeta was extremely important in this arc. Although I think your first 2 points were a bit misleading. Goku's body never became "too strong for zenkais" and Black emphasized the power boosts he got during the fight along with after being injured.(a zenkai) and Trunks "overpowering merged zamasu" is also a bit misleading it implies that he is actually stronger than Merged Zamasu rather than having one attack that exceeded him. (similar to Piccolo vs Raditz or Majin Vegeta blowing up Fat Buu etc)

Zenkais stopped being anything significant post super saiyan. Toriyama confirmed this in an interview and zenkais were no longer a significant thing in the android arc and onwards.

Trunks overpowered M Zamasu with one attack. The same trunks who before couldn't even touch base Black. Regardless the point stands, powerups of absurd magnitudes are handed out like candy on Halloween and

You act as though Trunks went immediately from being beaten by base Black to defeating Merged Zamasu as if this wasn't a segmented power-up. He had 3 power-ups that culminated in being able to slice Merged Zamasu in half.

-He trained with Vegeta and his normal SSJ2 power became much stronger.(they made it abundantly clear by the narrator, the episode descriptions and how he did in the fights)
-He achieved Super Saiyan rage and got a power boost from that.
-He absorbed the energy from all the living mortals and used that amped up sword to defeat Merged Zamasu.

This wasn't all at once or even close.

[Asura]

How was 123-127 a "low point"

It was definitely the worst part of the ToP for me, I'd even throw 122 in there as well. A whole lot of nothing happened, and most of the episodes were really mediocre with nothing special about them except for 122's art. Although I will say that 125 is an amazing episode, so at least it wasn't all too bad. But 126 is so terrible that it immediately shits on what made 125 great.

The time in which it was around (episodes 123-127) was the lowest point of the Tournament of Power arc. That's not a coincidence. It's an awful transformation, it looks ugly, and it had no reason to exist given how unimportant Vegeta ended up being in the grand scheme of things. It's everything wrong with Trunks' Rage powerup turned up to 11.

I like the idea of characters branching out and getting their own unique transformations; Goku getting the ultimate "martial arts" powerup in Ultra Instinct while Vegeta gets the highest evolution of the "Saiyan" powerup is fitting. But this was such a clunky way to do it. People complained about characters like 17 or Gohan or Caulifla getting "asspull" powerups out of nowhere, but Vegeta got this transformation just because he wanted it really badly. It led to dragging out his screentime in the tournament, which in turn led to the last battle dragging out as a whole and souring people on the arc.

I think I disagree with everything you just said. I have np idea how you come to any of these conclusions. How wad 123-127 a "low point" and how could you possibly figure that Vegeta was unimportant?? Or that this was an asspull?

Here's the thing. Vegeta's big contribution during that portion of the story was beating Toppo. An admittedly big contribution, but it didn't warrant a new form. The "Battle of Ideals" they tried to build the fight around was shallow because they didn't develop either of them beforehand. Even when they fought earlier on, it was just a sideshow for the Goku/Caulifla/Kale fight and didn't amount to anything more than a meta joke about the two second-strongest guys fighting. So suddenly we're expected to care about this big "important" showdown.

Transformations should feel meaningful, either as a turning point in a fight or as the culmination of a character arc. SSBE for Vegeta was neither because he had no arc during the Tournament of Power, and the form was created to fight Jiren but it made no difference in that battle.

If SSBE had debuted during Vegeta's fight with Toppo, it could have meant something. But that would require both him and Toppo to have had their ideals developed, and they didn't. Vegeta went from desperately wanting to surpass Goku by obtaining UI to suddenly being content not having it during the fight with Jiren because "that's not who I am". And because he wasn't meant to be important in the Jiren fight, they had to introduce all these concepts about Toppo giving up who he was, just so all Vegeta's talk about pride and "muh family/Cabba" could seem to matter.

Basically, it all comes down to them feeling like they need to do something with Vegeta every arc because of his popularity at the expense of good storytelling. Ultimately Goku, Freeza and 17 had the most important roles to play, while Gohan had an actual character arc. Vegeta didn't have anything we hadn't seen before, but he still had to have "his moment". So we got an underdeveloped rivalry, an unexplained transformation and a terrible last quarter of the arc, that coincidentally only got better again once he was out of the ring.

Excellent post, you said it better than I ever could.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Well the names it was given officially and unofficially turn me off from it a lot; though Toei using adjectives to the forms now doesn't sound good at all already. Too fanficky (though they might not understand the cringe behind it). As in its form itself, I don't like how it was obtained just by concentrating on something then boom, new form. Its what they did with Trunks and I dislike it the same with Vegeta. Problem with Super is unlike Z, they never give the characters any actual training arcs to get stronger. They just use the trope of SS2 Gohan and apply it now as a hype-building plot device.

It just doesn't work with everyone nor do the writers seem do understand that Gohan needed that push because he represses himself. Not that he just creates new forms when in trouble. Not Vegeta. Wanting to make his own path should have been the next arc for him and it would be perfect expansion off his "Kakarot; you're number 1" speech rather than the retcon.

However, as for the form itself I find it odd looking. The sparkling aura?. meh. The form doesn't look cool to me at all. It looks cheap.

[ToshioWrites]

Yeah I thought that was strange too. Vegeta was extremely important in this arc. Although I think your first 2 points were a bit misleading. Goku's body never became "too strong for zenkais" and Black emphasized the power boosts he got during the fight along with after being injured.(a zenkai) and Trunks "overpowering merged zamasu" is also a bit misleading it implies that he is actually stronger than Merged Zamasu rather than having one attack that exceeded him. (similar to Piccolo vs Raditz or Majin Vegeta blowing up Fat Buu etc)

Zenkais stopped being anything significant post super saiyan. Toriyama confirmed this in an interview and zenkais were no longer a significant thing in the android arc and onwards.

Trunks overpowered M Zamasu with one attack. The same trunks who before couldn't even touch base Black. Regardless the point stands, powerups of absurd magnitudes are handed out like candy on Halloween and

You act as though Trunks went immediately from being beaten by base Black to defeating Merged Zamasu as if this wasn't a segmented power-up. He had 3 power-ups that culminated in being able to slice Merged Zamasu in half.

-He trained with Vegeta and his normal SSJ2 power became much stronger.(they made it abundantly clear by the narrator, the episode descriptions and how he did in the fights)
-He achieved Super Saiyan rage and got a power boost from that.
-He absorbed the energy from all the living mortals and used that amped up sword to defeat Merged Zamasu.

This wasn't all at once or even close.

Dude I never said it was at once. Notice how i said the ARC. Anyways you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Lord Beerus]

I think aesthetically speaking, the form could have been better designed, but I like the concept behind it. It's Vegeta doing what he does best: brute forcing his way to a higher echelon of power in a moment of desperation. And this time it more based on a selfless desire, which I dug a lot. The form was a physical manifestation of Vegeta's intense desire to not only win the Super Dragon Balls, but to also aid those who meant a lot to him beyond his inner circle of allies and family.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Not more of a problem for me than the Super Saiyajin 2 Blue that they gave Goku after powering up with an electric aura and which definitely was not a mistake because it appeared in more than one shot.

The point of those things is to show more flashy scenes, be cooler and reach higher states. And Evolution does the same thing.

I have no idea what you are talking about with Goku's SSB2. You mean those brief scenes when he has the different hair?

Yeah I think that's what they're talking about. It definitely was a mistake.

The SSGSS SS2 style happened a few times with DBS promo art aswell, example.

[PFM18]

Zenkais stopped being anything significant post super saiyan. Toriyama confirmed this in an interview and zenkais were no longer a significant thing in the android arc and onwards.

Trunks overpowered M Zamasu with one attack. The same trunks who before couldn't even touch base Black. Regardless the point stands, powerups of absurd magnitudes are handed out like candy on Halloween and

You act as though Trunks went immediately from being beaten by base Black to defeating Merged Zamasu as if this wasn't a segmented power-up. He had 3 power-ups that culminated in being able to slice Merged Zamasu in half.

-He trained with Vegeta and his normal SSJ2 power became much stronger.(they made it abundantly clear by the narrator, the episode descriptions and how he did in the fights)
-He achieved Super Saiyan rage and got a power boost from that.
-He absorbed the energy from all the living mortals and used that amped up sword to defeat Merged Zamasu.

This wasn't all at once or even close.

Dude I never said it was at once. Notice how i said the ARC. Anyways you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

Ok so if it was by incremental power boosts then what makes it so bad or unbelievable? It was a natural progression of his power througout the arc. I mean it isn't any less believable than Gohan going from being below almost everybody prior to the ROSAT to coming out being stronger than literally every single one of the Z-fighters with Goku the only one being remotely close.

And yeah because you know exactly why I am arguing....

[JazzMazz]

Not more of a problem for me than the Super Saiyajin 2 Blue that they gave Goku after powering up with an electric aura and which definitely was not a mistake because it appeared in more than one shot.

The point of those things is to show more flashy scenes, be cooler and reach higher states. And Evolution does the same thing.

Um no. It wasn't intentional. Since Goku is literally seen fighting in regular blue after that scene.

What happened was(much was the case with episode 50), the animator or supervisor involved used the wrong character design for reference during that scene.

In other words they made a mistake.

[Torturephile]

It's ugly. I don't like the exaggerated contrast of colors with the white from the aura washing out much of the Vegeta drawing on certain cases. I'm not a fan of the eye pupil either.

[PFM18]

It's ugly. I don't like the exaggerated contrast of colors with the white from the aura washing out much of the Vegeta drawing on certain cases. I'm not a fan of the eye pupil either.

I guess that is a fair opinion. I think it looks incredible but to each their own