The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Sonofman]

Ultimate Gohan (ToP arc) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc)

[Doctor.]

Ultimate Gohan (ToP arc) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc)

Isn't this an obvious one? ToP arc Gohan obviously wins.

[Helios518]

Ultimate Gohan (ToP arc) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc)

Current Ultimate Gohan is comparable to current SSJB or at the very least, he's god tier. That being said, he effortlessly smacks his Boo arc counterpart out of existence.

Isn't this an obvious one? ToP arc Gohan obviously wins.

He probably wanted to see how much better ToP arc Gohan is better than his Boo arc counterpart.

[PFM18]

Ultimate Gohan (ToP arc) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc)

I have ToP Gohan being about 80,000 times stronger than his Buu saga cointerpart. So yeah I would say he wins

[ToshioWrites]

Super Saiyan Blue Vegito ( Goku Black arc) vs God of Destruction mode Toppo.

Lets say fusion time limit isn't an issue and killing + is allowed

[PFM18]

Super Saiyan Blue Vegito ( Goku Black arc) vs God of Destruction mode Toppo.

Lets say fusion time limit isn't an issue and killing + is allowed

That is a good question. I think that Vegetto wins but I am not entirely sure.

Buu saga Vegeta vs Buu saga Goku
Buu saga Vegeta vs Buu saga Gohan(Ultimate)
Buu saga Vegeta vs his own child fused with his rival's child(Gotenks)

Oh he loses against all 3 of those? Alright lets give him a more fair fight.

Buu saga Vegeta vs the average homeless man

[dragon boss z]

But 18 was far stronger than anyone could expect. She's so ridiculously stronger than the expected that even when Trunks got strong enough to tango with his own androids, 18 still one shoted him. That's like saying Vegeta was weaker than 3rd form Freeza because he got stomped by 4th form Freeza.

Vegeta may or may not of been stronger than 3rd form Frieza and we don't know how the future androids compare to the present ones, all we know is the present ones are stronger.

Yeah but that was before any action was done by them though, and Goku did not know they could absorb energy yet. For all he knew they were the fearsome androids that Trunks talked about.

Did Goku actually say he thought he could beat two androids stronger than Trunks alone?

He was still going to win either way. Stronger or not, he was still close enough to know he was gonna win.

There was no proof he was going to win. He was more beat up than Frieza after their fight and who knows if taking off his weighted clothes would of been enough.

Special Beam Cannon needs to be charged though. It wouldn't a factor unless the androids were close to his power.

Didn't Cell use it without charging up? Also it's not like Piccolo was alone, he could of been banking on teamwork and strategy, which is backed up by how he let 20 inure him to try a sneak attack.

Like i said before, it's because they expected someone on Goku's level. Trunks said Goku's power only gave him a little hope. If Trunks > 20 were even remotely true, Piccolo would instantly know something was wrong.

The androids don't have energy to sense so how would Piccolo know for sure? And Vegeta flat out said based off what he saw they where nowhere near what they were made out to be.

[blain218]

- Jiren vs. Beerus

Jiren easily. Jiren even before breaking his limits was stated to be stronger than the Gods.

[blain218]

Super Saiyan Blue Vegito ( Goku Black arc) vs God of Destruction mode Toppo.

Lets say fusion time limit isn't an issue and killing + is allowed

Vegito Blue easily wins, especially if you go the manga route where he is stated to be stronger than Beerus. Toppo is at best equal to Blue Evo Vegeta, how is equal to KaioKen x20 Goku.

[Taingo]

Not sure if it's been done before, but what about Future Trunks (Zamasu arc) vs. Android 17 (TOP arc) ?

[Hugo Boss]

Not sure if it's been done before, but what about Future Trunks (Zamasu arc) vs. Android 17 (TOP arc) ?

If it’s before Trunks power-up, No.17 wins. If it’s after Trunks wins. I have No.17 a bit stronger than Goku Black.

[sunsetshimmer]

Ultimate Gohan (ToP arc) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc)

ToP Gohan is only slightly stronger than DBZ Gohan but he would win because of that.

[PFM18]

Ultimate Gohan (ToP arc) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc)

ToP Gohan is only slightly stronger than DBZ Gohan but he would win because of that.

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Care to explain?

[sunsetshimmer]

Ultimate Gohan (ToP arc) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc)

ToP Gohan is only slightly stronger than DBZ Gohan but he would win because of that.

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Care to explain?

When Gohan turned Ultimate in DBS he was about equal to his DBZ self.
Piccolo said that he wants to see the power he used against Buu.
Narrator said that he regained his old power.

Then he trained for how long? 2 hours?

[PFM18]

ToP Gohan is only slightly stronger than DBZ Gohan but he would win because of that.

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Care to explain?

When Gohan turned Ultimate in DBS he was about equal to his DBZ self.
Piccolo said that he wants to see the power he used against Buu.
Narrator said that he regained his old power.

Then he trained for how long? 2 hours?

when Piccolo asked about "that power" he was referring to the ultimate form itself. The form that Gohan possess that is beyond his SSJ2 form. The narrator also refers to "that power" as in the form itself. Otherwise, he would be fodder in the tournament of power and wouldn't be able to do anything against anyone. instead, while not as strong as his father, he is remotely close, which automatically makes him atleast 10 thousand times stronger than he was during the buu saga.

[blain218]

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Care to explain?

When Gohan turned Ultimate in DBS he was about equal to his DBZ self.
Piccolo said that he wants to see the power he used against Buu.
Narrator said that he regained his old power.

Then he trained for how long? 2 hours?

when Piccolo asked about "that power" he was referring to the ultimate form itself. The form that Gohan possess that is beyond his SSJ2 form. The narrator also refers to "that power" as in the form itself. Otherwise, he would be fodder in the tournament of power and wouldn't be able to do anything against anyone. instead, while not as strong as his father, he is remotely close, which automatically makes him atleast 10 thousand times stronger than he was during the buu saga.

Exactly. Gohan now should be at least above SSG Goku but below SSB Goku, based on his fight with Dyspo.

[PFM18]

When Gohan turned Ultimate in DBS he was about equal to his DBZ self.
Piccolo said that he wants to see the power he used against Buu.
Narrator said that he regained his old power.

Then he trained for how long? 2 hours?

when Piccolo asked about "that power" he was referring to the ultimate form itself. The form that Gohan possess that is beyond his SSJ2 form. The narrator also refers to "that power" as in the form itself. Otherwise, he would be fodder in the tournament of power and wouldn't be able to do anything against anyone. instead, while not as strong as his father, he is remotely close, which automatically makes him atleast 10 thousand times stronger than he was during the buu saga.

Exactly. Gohan now should be at least above SSG Goku but below SSB Goku, based on his fight with Dyspo.

Yeah I definitely agree with that based on what we have shown. So I have gohan being like 50,000x-80,0000x stronger than his buu saga counterpart.

Albeit, it makes no sense that goku can go SSG now because he absorbed the form before and it was said to have expired.

[blain218]

when Piccolo asked about "that power" he was referring to the ultimate form itself. The form that Gohan possess that is beyond his SSJ2 form. The narrator also refers to "that power" as in the form itself. Otherwise, he would be fodder in the tournament of power and wouldn't be able to do anything against anyone. instead, while not as strong as his father, he is remotely close, which automatically makes him atleast 10 thousand times stronger than he was during the buu saga.

Exactly. Gohan now should be at least above SSG Goku but below SSB Goku, based on his fight with Dyspo.

Yeah I definitely agree with that based on what we have shown. So I have gohan being like 50,000x-80,0000x stronger than his buu saga counterpart.

Albeit, it makes no sense that goku can go SSG now because he absorbed the form before and it was said to have expired.

It was stated by Beerus that he absorbed the power of SSG into his base and converted it into mortal ki. That's why he can transform into SSG on top of that again.

[PFM18]

Exactly. Gohan now should be at least above SSG Goku but below SSB Goku, based on his fight with Dyspo.

Yeah I definitely agree with that based on what we have shown. So I have gohan being like 50,000x-80,0000x stronger than his buu saga counterpart.

Albeit, it makes no sense that goku can go SSG now because he absorbed the form before and it was said to have expired.

It was stated by Beerus that he absorbed the power of SSG into his base and converted it into mortal ki. That's why he can transform into SSG on top of that again.

care to provide this quote? I dont recalled it being phrased quite like this. And does this mean he can stack Super Saiyan God on top of Super Saiyan God??

[dragon boss z]

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Care to explain?

When Gohan turned Ultimate in DBS he was about equal to his DBZ self.
Piccolo said that he wants to see the power he used against Buu.
Narrator said that he regained his old power.

Then he trained for how long? 2 hours?

when Piccolo asked about "that power" he was referring to the ultimate form itself. The form that Gohan possess that is beyond his SSJ2 form. The narrator also refers to "that power" as in the form itself. Otherwise, he would be fodder in the tournament of power and wouldn't be able to do anything against anyone. instead, while not as strong as his father, he is remotely close, which automatically makes him atleast 10 thousand times stronger than he was during the buu saga.

Where are you getting 10,000 times stronger from? Imo SSB is only about 100x mystic Gohan from DBZ. And imo Gohan didn't even reach that level, more like SSG level which is like 10-20x DBZ mystic Gohan.