What, IYO, is Super's greatest achievement and detriment in its whole run.
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What, IYO, is Super's greatest achievement and detriment in its whole run.
By greatest achievement, I meant what is the best thing super ever did and what is the worst thing super ever did.
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Best: Hit. He made Super all worth it, by far the coolest character they've introduced in Dragon Ball in a long time for me.
Worst: Copy Vegeta section of the anime. My God what is this.
Worst: Copy Vegeta section of the anime. My God what is this.
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Upside-Making me care about Dragon Ball again.
Downside-Making me care about Dragon Ball again.
Downside-Making me care about Dragon Ball again.
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Worst thing - Some terrible ass animations here and there, sloppy art etc.
Best thing - The whole Goku Black arc and the character
Best thing - The whole Goku Black arc and the character
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Best thing : Introducing the multiverse.
Worst thing : Retelling the movies.
Worst thing : Retelling the movies.
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Best: Hit, Goku Black and Introducing the universes.
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Best thing: Tournament of Power & Ultra Instinct
Worst thing: Movie retellings & the writing for the whole show
Worst thing: Movie retellings & the writing for the whole show
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Best: Establishing the multiverse, as well as the Future Trunks Arc
Worst: it's less than stellar writing, and lack of progressing past the end of Z to give us something truly unique with new stories that we wouldn't know the outcome
Worst: it's less than stellar writing, and lack of progressing past the end of Z to give us something truly unique with new stories that we wouldn't know the outcome
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Greatest achievement = U6 characters. The 3 Saiyans, the 2 Nameks, Frost & especially Hit were enjoyable
Greatest detriment = rushing some of the writing
Greatest detriment = rushing some of the writing
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Best achievement: Creating a villain that actually had a complex backstory and an elaborate motivation that goes beyond just 'wanting to conquer/destroy the world' (oh, and a young Supreme Kai gone rogue is one of the best concepts ever for a villain).
Worst detriment: Giving that unique, creative and one-of-a-kind villain only 20 episodes of screentime. And of those 20 episodes of screentime, devote a lot of time to the trash Pilaf gang...
Worst detriment: Giving that unique, creative and one-of-a-kind villain only 20 episodes of screentime. And of those 20 episodes of screentime, devote a lot of time to the trash Pilaf gang...
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Best - Bringing the whole fandom back as well as bringing in new fans, making it the most popular the franchise as ever been, worldwide at one single point.
Worst - The first two Sagas giving it a poor reception.
Worst - The first two Sagas giving it a poor reception.
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Best: Dragon ball again!
Worst: Making it more childish than even the original Dragon Ball... Not even comparing it to the overall seriousness and mature tone of DBZ
Worst: Making it more childish than even the original Dragon Ball... Not even comparing it to the overall seriousness and mature tone of DBZ
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Greatest, and probably only achievement: The introduction of some interesting new characters, most notably, Hit.
Biggest Detriment? Easy: Squandering almost EVERY option to utilize their massive cast, including shafting even the new characters like Hit. Instead, the flanderized, boring, and overpowered compared to almost everyone else Goku and Vegeta do nearly everything in the show.
Biggest Detriment? Easy: Squandering almost EVERY option to utilize their massive cast, including shafting even the new characters like Hit. Instead, the flanderized, boring, and overpowered compared to almost everyone else Goku and Vegeta do nearly everything in the show.
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Greatest Achievement: Propelling Dragon Ball into an era of immense success and guaranteeing more stories to be told in the near future
Greatest Detriment: Exposing that a lot fans don't know a lot about Dragon Ball and can't handle Dragon Ball content on a once-a-week basis
Greatest Detriment: Exposing that a lot fans don't know a lot about Dragon Ball and can't handle Dragon Ball content on a once-a-week basis
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Wow! I can't believe you said that about people.Lord Beerus wrote:Greatest Achievement: Propelling Dragon Ball into an era of immense success and guaranteeing more stories to be told in the near future
Greatest Detriment: Exposing that a lot fans don't know a lot about Dragon Ball and can't handle Dragon Ball content on a once-a-week basis
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So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
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I'm just calling it like I see it.majinwarman wrote:Wow! I can't believe you said that about people.Lord Beerus wrote:Greatest Achievement: Propelling Dragon Ball into an era of immense success and guaranteeing more stories to be told in the near future
Greatest Detriment: Exposing that a lot fans don't know a lot about Dragon Ball and can't handle Dragon Ball content on a once-a-week basis
Spoiler:
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You got confidence that's for sure!Lord Beerus wrote:I'm just calling it like I see it.majinwarman wrote:Wow! I can't believe you said that about people.Lord Beerus wrote:Greatest Achievement: Propelling Dragon Ball into an era of immense success and guaranteeing more stories to be told in the near future
Greatest Detriment: Exposing that a lot fans don't know a lot about Dragon Ball and can't handle Dragon Ball content on a once-a-week basis
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So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
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Second post best post.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Upside-Making me care about Dragon Ball again.
Downside-Making me care about Dragon Ball again.
Re: What, IYO, is Super's greatest achievement and detriment in its whole run.
This is interesting, particularly that last part about people not being able to handle Dragon Ball on a once-a-week basis, I think that's absolutely true, especially for a massive arc like the ToP. I would be willing to bet that a decent chunk of the same people that binge-watched through the Namek arc with zero complaints were one of those who were very vocal about the pacing of this arc, and being upset that not every week was a fantastic spectacle. Z had plenty of episodes where literally nothing happened, but people who binge-watched the show didn't complain because they could watch the next episode right away. Hell, of the people I know and the people I've heard of who binge-watched the ToP (at least to catch up to where we currently were at the time) they really enjoyed it and didn't seem to have any complaints about the pacing.Lord Beerus wrote:Greatest Detriment: Exposing that a lot fans don't know a lot about Dragon Ball and can't handle Dragon Ball content on a once-a-week basis
It's a massive arc, no doubt, and there are some issues in some areas where things go faster or slower than they should, but really it didn't feel any different than an arc of Z. It just felt like it lasted forever because you could only watch an episode a week, and a lot of people simply couldn't handle that.
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I can confirm that watching the Freeza Arc as it aired on Toonami was a fucking chore. I can't remember if they were doing daily episodes at that point or not, but regardless, my 7-9 year old self was bored out of his mind. I dropped the show.Asura wrote:This is interesting, particularly that last part about people not being able to handle Dragon Ball on a once-a-week basis, I think that's absolutely true, especially for a massive arc like the ToP. I would be willing to bet that a decent chunk of the same people that binge-watched through the Namek arc with zero complaints were one of those who were very vocal about the pacing of this arc, and being upset that not every week was a fantastic spectacle. Z had plenty of episodes where literally nothing happened, but people who binge-watched the show didn't complain because they could watch the next episode right away. Hell, of the people I know and the people I've heard of who binge-watched the ToP (at least to catch up to where we currently were at the time) they really enjoyed it and didn't seem to have any complaints about the pacing.Lord Beerus wrote:Greatest Detriment: Exposing that a lot fans don't know a lot about Dragon Ball and can't handle Dragon Ball content on a once-a-week basis
It's a massive arc, no doubt, and there are some issues in some areas where things go faster or slower than they should, but really it didn't feel any different than an arc of Z. It just felt like it lasted forever because you could only watch an episode a week.
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