Exline wrote:And yes changing one's personality is a form of development. I was also not trying to imply Vegeta cannot be jealous and care about his family at the same time. I was implying that he dwindles between his cell and buu saga self and used them as examples. I didn't explain it very clearly cause I was getting pretty tired haha
Some other examples of his odd personality is that he refuses to give Goku energy for his spirit bomb, but then gives his energy to Goku to fight Jiren after he is knocked out. That doesn't make any sense to me at all. Why would he give energy to Goku if he refused to do it the first time..?
Completely changing a personality is not development, because all that's doing is replacing one small set of traits with another. You aren't actually building or expanding a character if you just outright change their core personality traits. By making the false argument that he is switching between his Cell and Buu arc selves, you are essentially reducing a character to a narrow set of small traits and implying that a character can't have more of them simultaneously.
Also, the reason he doesn't give Goku energy for the Spirit Bomb was that he wanted to take on Jiren himself. He only gives his energy when it becomes completely clear he isn't gonna beat Jiren in ep.129.
Exline wrote:He even rushes at Jiren with little to no strategy at all. He even claims Jiren is holding back on him, something along the lines of "you were faster and stronger when you fought kakarot". He then proceeds to get himself embarrassed by Jiren and even does a Full-Power Final Flash on him, extremely similar to what happened in the Perfect Cell Saga. He even gets cocky believing he's bested Jiren.
Vegeta put up a
much better fight against Jiren than both Hit and especially Blue Goku did in the hour special since Vegeta actually managed to hurt him without Ultra Instinct. There was nothing embarrassing about Vegeta's performance compared to Goku's, since Goku was the one who took an embarrassing L against Jiren before unlocking UI.
Comparing Vegeta vs Jiren to Vegeta vs Cell is a false analogy. Vegeta fought Jiren in the hopes that doing so would break his limits like Goku did, which is exactly what happened with him unlocking Blue Evolution. Vegeta fighting Cell was him being under the delusion that he was the strongest in the universe after training in the ROSAT. That's why he allowed Cell to become Perfect. The two fights are clearly not the same.
Exline wrote:One's development does not have to change drastically, but it should not remain stagnant. If you're going to continue a story with many main characters, you have to give these characters something to go through and make them change how they approach situations because then we are just going to get the same old same old every time and eventually, that character will become extremely boring. There's like two threads talking about how people are tired of Vegeta and how he should be phased out like he was in GT.
(Not saying I completely agree with that, but just throwing it out there. Not everyone is fond of this "rivalry" betweenn Goku and Vegeta. It is indeed getting a bit stale.)
I just proved that Vegeta in those scenes was not at all approaching a situation like he would in Z. Claiming that a character maintaining innate and lifelong personality traits like arrogance, pride, etc is being stagnant shows a complete ignorance of both what character development actually is and how personalities actually work. That's like arguing the characters of a Shakespeare play a stagnant because none of them ever change at all from beginning to the end. It doesn't make any sense.
Phasing out a character like Vegeta (who is just as popular as Goku and has the most development out of anyone in the entire franchise) is an extremely stupid idea. Its just one of the many reasons why GT was a failure. I doubt the people at Toei would make the same mistake again.