Actually, truth be told, FUNimation are a bunch of effin' geniuses. Do you know how much money they'll rake in for this? Check this out:
1) They basically got all they could from the single DVDs. The series ended its US airing in 2002, 2003 saw the start of GT airing in the US. They milked that cow to its fullest.
2) They release something very different. They release something that has never been seen before. Good or bad, it's different. Offering 5.1 dub with original Japanese music, which is what people have been waiting for. Offering a picture with no grain, really nicely cleaned up, which it is. Plus, it's CHEAP, AFFORDABLE, that's what really hooks people. They are selling these like nuts because they're cheap and people can actually buy the whole series without really sacrificing too much. They will milk this cash cow to its fullest too.
3) In like a year after they stop releasing the "Remastered" sets, what do you think they'll do? "A NEW ERA OF DRAGON BALL, DRAGON BALL Z, AND DRAGON BALL GT HAS ARRIVED!" Yeah, they'll offer like 7.1 surround sound for all three language options, maybe throw in a Spanish. "For the first time ever, get the show the way it was meant to be seen in its original undisturbed, uncut 4:3 aspect ratio!" Yup. I'm willing to bet they'll do that like 2 years after the "Remastered" ones come out, and they'll probably be like the Dragon Boxes just to make them perfect. Or hell, who knows, maybe even all the side footage that the "Remastered" version offers without the vertical picture loss. Make it basically the same, have over 30 episodes in each release. Make it affordable and low in price and bam, they will milk that cash cow for all it's worth too.
Even if they don't do the third part, still, these "Remastered" sets are going to give them lots and lots of money. They took all they could from the 4:3 releases, now times to do the same again. Think about it, how else can you get a bunch of money by selling the same exact show to people? Wow, FUNimation are geniuses.
That or they're just dumb and just did all this by accident lol Doubt it.
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The 'genius' part has nothing to do with widescreen, because after the intial trailer or 2 they haven't even MENTIONED it.
The genius part is selling a shoddy product so cheap that people will actually DEFEND it based on price alone.
Shitty games will get better reviews because 'what do you expect for 20 or 30 dollars' and end up making MORE profit then if they had been full priced games.
The ONLY reason these sets are selling, is because it is cheap DBZ.
The genius part is selling a shoddy product so cheap that people will actually DEFEND it based on price alone.
Shitty games will get better reviews because 'what do you expect for 20 or 30 dollars' and end up making MORE profit then if they had been full priced games.
The ONLY reason these sets are selling, is because it is cheap DBZ.
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Well yeah. But that's what makes them geniuses. It's affordable, and it's imperfect. It's imperfect probably for a reason. Believe me, if you know that there's something wrong with it, they do. So they sell you this crappy version and people buy it because hey, it is getting the whole series cheap. Then a year or 2 after this is done, they release the "real definitive" version. Of course if they sell it for cheap too, but in 4:3, lots of people would buy that too. Those same people would be like, "Alright! An affordable version of the show done right! Not the crap one I have!" So they go out and buy this one as well.
Honestly think about it from their business standpoint. They are selling the same show to a lot of people who didn't have it before, who didn't buy their 4:3 releases, AND a lot of people that already have it. They're hitting the same target with two different releases because it's different.
That's why they're geniuses. Again I'm not really defending it, I did tell you that I went out and got the entire series (or as much of it that came out on DVD missing the rest of Vegeta and Namek sagas). But now that I'm at ease and safely know that I have the 4:3 presentation of the show, I'm more relaxed about this "Remastered" one. And I'm still going to get them just to cap off this very weird, but different version of DBZ. Plus, again, dub plus original music is pretty cool. So I guess I'm one of their targets. Oh well, what can you do.
Oh and I'm pretty sure, if they're smart at all, that's exactly what they went for. And if they're smart, they realize that when people like you, or most of the Forum members here get on Forums and rant about how much their releases suck...that adds fuel to their flame. When they release the 4:3 Remastered presentation, all you're doing is egging people on for something better. So when they release the 4:3, everyone, whether they have this one or not, or whatever, will go out and buy that one. All they have to do, is make it attractive to those who have the 4:3 already, by including like 7.1 surround sound, or the dub with Japanese audio track, or different languages, or SOMETHING and bam, they get paid 3 times for selling the same show. Imagine that. But that's all from a business standpoint. I mean there's a good chance they're all just morons who got lucky with this release. But what if they're not? I'm telling you, if I were working for FUNimation, that's EXACTLY what I'd do. With all their shows, by the way. So call them dumb or stupid or assholes or whatever, but whoever the schmuck was that told them that it would be a good idea to butcher the series got paid very very well.
Honestly think about it from their business standpoint. They are selling the same show to a lot of people who didn't have it before, who didn't buy their 4:3 releases, AND a lot of people that already have it. They're hitting the same target with two different releases because it's different.
That's why they're geniuses. Again I'm not really defending it, I did tell you that I went out and got the entire series (or as much of it that came out on DVD missing the rest of Vegeta and Namek sagas). But now that I'm at ease and safely know that I have the 4:3 presentation of the show, I'm more relaxed about this "Remastered" one. And I'm still going to get them just to cap off this very weird, but different version of DBZ. Plus, again, dub plus original music is pretty cool. So I guess I'm one of their targets. Oh well, what can you do.
Oh and I'm pretty sure, if they're smart at all, that's exactly what they went for. And if they're smart, they realize that when people like you, or most of the Forum members here get on Forums and rant about how much their releases suck...that adds fuel to their flame. When they release the 4:3 Remastered presentation, all you're doing is egging people on for something better. So when they release the 4:3, everyone, whether they have this one or not, or whatever, will go out and buy that one. All they have to do, is make it attractive to those who have the 4:3 already, by including like 7.1 surround sound, or the dub with Japanese audio track, or different languages, or SOMETHING and bam, they get paid 3 times for selling the same show. Imagine that. But that's all from a business standpoint. I mean there's a good chance they're all just morons who got lucky with this release. But what if they're not? I'm telling you, if I were working for FUNimation, that's EXACTLY what I'd do. With all their shows, by the way. So call them dumb or stupid or assholes or whatever, but whoever the schmuck was that told them that it would be a good idea to butcher the series got paid very very well.
Except from a business standpoint, that doesn't work.
It's been shown their master digital copies were 16:9, meaning they would need to get masters from elsewhere, which if they could with any ease, they would have for these sets, or they'd have to start over with the exact same problems they chose to do widescreen in the first place.
And it's also well known that the vast majority of people, won't buy a second version of something they already own.
Rereleases are aimed at the people who decided NOT to buy, if they hit people who already own it is a bonus.
THIS is a rerelease, because most people bought so LITTLE of DBZ that people would buy a 30 dollar box that had a few episodes they had so they could get the rest.
Even an upgrade for HD won't change that for what is a children's series.
And that's it for me because you ramble on way to goddamn much in your posts. You say in paragraphs what could be said in far less room and it is annoying as all fuck.
It's been shown their master digital copies were 16:9, meaning they would need to get masters from elsewhere, which if they could with any ease, they would have for these sets, or they'd have to start over with the exact same problems they chose to do widescreen in the first place.
And it's also well known that the vast majority of people, won't buy a second version of something they already own.
Rereleases are aimed at the people who decided NOT to buy, if they hit people who already own it is a bonus.
THIS is a rerelease, because most people bought so LITTLE of DBZ that people would buy a 30 dollar box that had a few episodes they had so they could get the rest.
Even an upgrade for HD won't change that for what is a children's series.
And that's it for me because you ramble on way to goddamn much in your posts. You say in paragraphs what could be said in far less room and it is annoying as all fuck.
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Try to talk to you and it goes way over your head. Typical really. How would you know what sells and what doesn't? You don't buy it, doesn't mean others don't. It's currently their highest bought product. If they rerelease it in it's 4:3 aspect ratio, they'll get even more for it. Whatever, try to be nice to you, you just say how "annoying" I am. Don't like it, don't read it. I swear, it's like talking to a little kid. Agree or disagree, when you start taking nice little cheap shots like that, it's uncalled for. Whatever, FUNimation is a big Anime corporation and you're just some fan. They don't care about what you think as long as their product is selling and it is. So talk all you want really because as far as they're concerned if you didn't buy it and you have no intention to, you don't exist. Just letting you know what FUNimation thinks of you. As far as me, well...okay, so you have your likes, I have mine. You call me annoying, I think you're annoying. It's a vicious cycle. I tried to be nice to you, you were an ass back. What can I say. Welcome to the world of online, where anyone with a keyboard thinks they're someone special, but lets face facts. At the end of the day, if your only obsession and big debate in the world is a cartoon, then that is pretty damn sad.
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Survey says...!TheGreatness25 wrote:Offering a picture with no grain, really nicely cleaned up, which it is.
*BZZT*
EDIT: As for all the new DVD announcements: I don't care personally. I'm done with Funimation as far as DB is concerned. They can't do a valid, proper release without some sort of gimmick ruining it, unlike many of their other properties. It baffles me to no end considering DBZ is their number one license. You would think they would give it (and its fanbase) more respect, y'know?
In the end...I want a product with quality. Funimation is just not giving that to me as a consumer and as a fan.
Then there's people like me who spent seven years buying all the singles they put out and since they never finished releasing those had little choice in the matter for the first two...like hell I'm touchinbg the sets after them though! I got what I needed, and I don't much like the widescreen issue (sure I can train myself to enjoy it anyway but I shouldn't HAVE to do that).godofchaos wrote: The ONLY reason these sets are selling, is because it is cheap DBZ.
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Or they don't notice anything wrong to begin with.godofchaos wrote:Once again, the cropping based on Funi's old version is different from scene to scene based on the original film damage and what they did to each scene.
But yeah, stuff being cropped, lines vanishing, colors being wrong.
But hey, it's cheap so it's ok.
Glad to know that's where people's line is.
It's ok if it's cheap.
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You don't have the entire series in 4:3. You'll probably always be missing episodes 28-67 in such a format unless you get the Dragonbox singles or R2 Spanish releases. Be realistic, there's always gonna be some aspect we R1 folks are screwed in. The same can be pointed out for the uncut versions of original DB episodes 1-13, unless ya' go and get the R4 releases of them. The R2 (British) and R4 folks are also screwed in similar, different, and same aspects; the only audience that gets the series in a complete and consistent format are the R2 Japanese folks. So I say Fuck You to Toei for being such stingy bastards, and Fuck You to FUNi for being so cheap. But I also say Thanks to both for giving us such a spectacular series, even if we debate it till the end of time.TheGreatness25 wrote:All in all, again, that's why I have this version, and the entire thing as presented in 4:3 from FUNi originally. So I have the option of this or 4:3. It doesn't really bother me.
What I find sickeningly humorous about that is the Japanese angle credits are framed to show Yajirobe's eyes, while that textless one obviously cuts it off. Weird. I think it's a case of different framing in the separate video tracks of FUNi's Zenkai Power masters, so that's as good an example as any to know there's cropping being done IMO. Maybe I'll give the Jungle Book movie a comparison sometime since I have both DVDs of it, to see if Disney made a lousy call in converting that to 16:9.godofchaos wrote:I avoided the argument because I ran into an odd error making a combined screencap and I was waiting on someone else to double check my work before I put it up, but if you'd like a comparison now.
http://www.db-destiny.net/crop17tg9.jpg http://www.db-destiny.net/dbzseason01disc520nc7.jpg
Start comparing then, and don't use the 'well its the credits' argument.
It's supposed to have grain, having it wiped out erases vital detail in the animation. If you can't accept that and still continue to turn up the sharpness levels on your set to trick your eyes past the FUNi 4:3 releases' obvious amount, then I truly feel sorry for ya'. It'd be like if Joss Whedon went and rereleased the first couple seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer in a VP&T blurrified 16:9 format, I'd probably lose all respect for the guy and cling to my original slim-cases. If it's filmed in 16mm with the intention to be seen on a television, then it shouldn't be telecined and "remasteerd" in such an extreme and cheap format with such inferior film masters. For shows like Buffy, DBZ, whatnot else that were filmed on 16mm film, you try and keep it as true to its originally shot manner as possible, not erasing out what is literally necessary grain and running it through an autoset machine with no-one keeping an eye on it.TheGreatness25 wrote:Offering a picture with no grain, really nicely cleaned up, which it is.
Hell, after seeing all of the completely unnecessary and borderline praising attempts you've been doing in FUNi's name, I'm wondering what the hell has gotten into you as well. Give it a rest, do we really need 50 gajillion worded posts that praises a company with the same redundant info we all know over and over?
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In regards to the update on the site about this, just a quick note:
I KNOW Adam Sheehan, and speak to him quite a bit at conventions. Since I believe he works under Lance , they don't tell him absolutely everything, they essentially give him a set of slides for each industry panel, and he talks about each one and answers to the ability. So I wouldn't quite view it as "don't trust a word they say", because it sounds like he had no idea any of these things were in the works.
I KNOW Adam Sheehan, and speak to him quite a bit at conventions. Since I believe he works under Lance , they don't tell him absolutely everything, they essentially give him a set of slides for each industry panel, and he talks about each one and answers to the ability. So I wouldn't quite view it as "don't trust a word they say", because it sounds like he had no idea any of these things were in the works.
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You should read the post I made. It's a pretty genius move. Big genius move.
Oh and so what if I don't have those episodes in 4:3? I don't think that out of everything, I'd go back and watch that too much. I guess the Goku/Vegeta battle, but I don't care about not having the Namek Saga in 4:3. So again, I have the option. And I'm fine with it. Trust me, they'll have yet another release with DBZ.
Oh and so what if I don't have those episodes in 4:3? I don't think that out of everything, I'd go back and watch that too much. I guess the Goku/Vegeta battle, but I don't care about not having the Namek Saga in 4:3. So again, I have the option. And I'm fine with it. Trust me, they'll have yet another release with DBZ.
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Yes, and it will be the Season sets on Blu-ray, Funi didn't pay for the "remastering" just to throw them away and start again, they wanted to bring their cashcow to the new format, and thats what they are planning on doing.TheGreatness25 wrote: Trust me, they'll have yet another release with DBZ.
And I really don't understand how you came to your current conclusion regarding Funimation's gameplan, you act like you've just looked at all the relevant information and predicted their next step, when you've done the exact opposite, you've ignored the obvious and just decided that you think you know whats going to happen.
If you're going to make groundless predictions and refuse to look at the facts, can't you atleast make it short and to the point?
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Well just think if Viz had license on DB, there probably wouldn't be 30 copies of one episode/movie:
-remastered
-blu-ray
-first edition funi/pioner
-pack 1 uncut (movies 1-2)
-pack 2 deadly uncut (movies 1-2)
-pack 3 epic uncut (movies 1-2)
-movie box 1 - new cover art box on blue (movies 1-2)
-movie box 2 - new cover art box on red (movies 1-2)
and so on who the hell knows what funi will do in futher
I understand that they are trying to do things right for the collectioners but they are ******** fans off with insane release over release. I don't undestand why couldn't they just stop release everything about dragon ball movies/eps/ova/special and start with remastered box set and in the same time the blu-ray box set after that individual disc remastered and blu-ray and then the same thing for db and for dbgt, for movies, special and ova and everybody would be happy. And + after they are screwing releases if have to pay extra cash for the delivery from USA to my little country Romania
+ in my country still no company to release anime on dvd, and how the things are going now i would probably have the time to start my own company and release good db dvd in europe, and will not sell in USA(just kidding)
Well Viz are doing well on Bleach individual disc and very bad on naruto thinking that they released cut anime on dvd, and they should know until now that anime comunity doesn't like CUT anime(stupid assholes), and they screwed coverart of the box sets too.
So both funi and viz are no good.
In conclusion funi fucked up db releases for us,and viz would probably do the same if they would have license.
-remastered
-blu-ray
-first edition funi/pioner
-pack 1 uncut (movies 1-2)
-pack 2 deadly uncut (movies 1-2)
-pack 3 epic uncut (movies 1-2)
-movie box 1 - new cover art box on blue (movies 1-2)
-movie box 2 - new cover art box on red (movies 1-2)
and so on who the hell knows what funi will do in futher
I understand that they are trying to do things right for the collectioners but they are ******** fans off with insane release over release. I don't undestand why couldn't they just stop release everything about dragon ball movies/eps/ova/special and start with remastered box set and in the same time the blu-ray box set after that individual disc remastered and blu-ray and then the same thing for db and for dbgt, for movies, special and ova and everybody would be happy. And + after they are screwing releases if have to pay extra cash for the delivery from USA to my little country Romania
+ in my country still no company to release anime on dvd, and how the things are going now i would probably have the time to start my own company and release good db dvd in europe, and will not sell in USA(just kidding)Well Viz are doing well on Bleach individual disc and very bad on naruto thinking that they released cut anime on dvd, and they should know until now that anime comunity doesn't like CUT anime(stupid assholes), and they screwed coverart of the box sets too.
So both funi and viz are no good.
In conclusion funi fucked up db releases for us,and viz would probably do the same if they would have license.
They don't respond well to it, but on the other hand there are actual alternatives, plus if you are that desperate you can make your own coverart. Subsequently the cut Naruto discs, to begin with, sold very well so the actual reaction from the Anime community doesn't really mean shit, honestly.AlexDB wrote: Well Viz are doing well on Bleach individual disc and very bad on naruto thinking that they released cut anime on dvd, and they should know until now that anime comunity doesn't like CUT anime(stupid assholes), and they screwed coverart of the box sets too.
Viz is a total non-issue, when it comes to the DBZ anime anyway.
I think in the last few months/christ, even the last year, I think I've spoken more about DBZ releases than actually discussing, watching, or whatever else with DBZ (or DB or GT). It's not that I'm nessecerally blaming FUNimation 100% for ruining my interest in the franchise but they sure as fuck didn't do anything to prevent it.
However, sometimes, that's the way the cookie crumbles, and as much as people try, theyve gotta move on.
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Those rights might be down the toilet for the other company soon, they should just be generous and hand them to Funimation, hell, they should pay them to take them. Season 1 of Dragonball is a long way away.snaku wrote:I think they're waiting to get the home video rights to the first 13 episodes before heading down that road.SonGokuGT wrote:So many questions arise regarding the new GT sets... You'd think they'd tackle the original DB first...
For all we know, they're rights are gone now and Funimation are starting their "Remastering" process... I can dream too.