Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[majinwarman]

^Not quite because Frieza is still in 'old hat' territory right now. It doesn't do much to boost a villain when he beats up a guy at least 20 times weaker than Goku.

That new Saiyan is wearing RoF style Frieza Force armor, so there's that. And Frieza was willing to make Vegeta commander of his forces in the same movie if he turned traitor and swore loyalty. Frieza doesn't like Saiyans but he seems to put that aside in favor of pragmatism when he sees the possibility for personal benefit. He hates Goku more than anyone and look how that turned out.

I think it would be interesting if they had a villain beat Beerus. That would tell people that the Dragon crew is in trouble.

[AnimeNation101]

To those saying it doesn't make sense for Frieza to die, it would be Dragonball logic if the next villian killed or at last badly defeated Frieza before heading to Earth.

This kinda sounds like a Piccoloi and goku v Raditz. New saiyan comes, first finds and beats Goku’s sworn-enemy. New saiyan will then beat goku and Goku and the sworn-enemy end up working together to win

[majinwarman]

I guess we reached that point.

Isn't Goku being a saiyan a retcon since it changes how we view part 1?

It's debatable. Right from the start they made a note of Goku being strange/not normal at most opportunities and then we find out he can transform into an ape on top of that, so Goku revealed to be an alien shouldn't have been that surprising and doesn't really go against anything that was established prior and in fact makes perfect sense with what came prior. So I don't really see it as a retcon.

But, you can consider it to be a recton.

[PFM18]

1. If Freeza were to die, that would be a stupid way for it to happen

2. You must not have a lot of experience with story-telling. They kept Freeza alive for a reason. No way would they just kill him off because then they would have just let him go back to hell and stay day like he was going to do before Whis revived him. Which is, again, proof of Freeza’s development. Instead of getting angry or disgusted at the happiness of team U7, he just smirked and said that he rather just go back to hell. The old freeza would have never given up on resurrection but this Freeza has changed over the course of the arc. He never had an appetite for genocide. He was a strict ruler who would try to get what he wants by any means necessary or would do anything it takes to protect himself. He never went looking to just kill off races. Infact, it was never in his character to look for trouble in the first place. This is perfectly shown with him always hiding throughout the T.o.P and how his plan was to have Goku do the dirty work. So, between the fact of his character growth and the fact that he doesn’t go out looking for trouble, and how story telling works, it wouldn’t make sense that he would be resurrected just for him to go out of his way to U6 to commit genocide on the saiyans, just for Vegeta to kill him.

You may not think so, but it seems pretty likely that Freeza may end up an anti-hero or that just does his own thing and does what he wants. He definitely wasn’t revived just to die again.

Freeza is THE villain of the DB franchise I have to question why you would make the biggest,most iconic villain in the series now suddenly become an anti-hero and not a villain anymore. There's no reason to keep him alive unless he becomes an anti-hero but Freeza is the one character that should never be redeemed nor should he ever become "one of the good guys" in any capacity even if it is just an "anti-hero"role. The only other alternative that they have than that is to kill him off again. You say that they wouldn't revive him only for him to die again, but this has already happened twice. He was revived just to be killed again twice prior to this

No. Its only happened once. For RoF. And this is all your opinion. Because YOU believe Freeza is THE villain of Dragon Ball when there is NO single most important villain in Dragon ball. I’m not the one making Freeza less evil and more of an anti-hero. Thats Toriyama. He’s always loved to make bad guys turn good. Ands with how Freeza has developed and the fact tat they let such an evil tyrant live, it just there way of telling us that by the end of the T.o.P, Freeza’s not as bad anymore. Whether you like it or not, that is the most likely place as to where Freeza’s character is going. There is evidence of that. There is nothing that suggests that Freeza is training for revenge or is going to go kill the U6 saiyans. Infact, theres more evidence against that idea, which i presented in my previous comment.

Stop saying not everyone can be redeemed. Vegeta, Piccolo, the Androids, Buu, etc are all proof that Freeza can. Doesn’t matter whether you dont believe it should happen or not.

Ok but Piccolo, Vegeta and the androids are not Freeza. They don't "prove" that Freeza is redeemable because he was a villain for much longer and on a larger scale than anybody else. It would not be a believable story if Freeza suddenly becomes good and just kinda hangs out with the Z fighters. The options are either make him part of the group or kill him off again. I realize this is "just my opinion" but that is true of all of this conversation. In my opinion, they should give him an interesting death and call it a day. Freeza is the one character that cannot nor should he be made into a part of the main cast.

[Toxin45]

Freeza is THE villain of the DB franchise I have to question why you would make the biggest,most iconic villain in the series now suddenly become an anti-hero and not a villain anymore. There's no reason to keep him alive unless he becomes an anti-hero but Freeza is the one character that should never be redeemed nor should he ever become "one of the good guys" in any capacity even if it is just an "anti-hero"role. The only other alternative that they have than that is to kill him off again. You say that they wouldn't revive him only for him to die again, but this has already happened twice. He was revived just to be killed again twice prior to this

No. Its only happened once. For RoF. And this is all your opinion. Because YOU believe Freeza is THE villain of Dragon Ball when there is NO single most important villain in Dragon ball. I’m not the one making Freeza less evil and more of an anti-hero. Thats Toriyama. He’s always loved to make bad guys turn good. Ands with how Freeza has developed and the fact tat they let such an evil tyrant live, it just there way of telling us that by the end of the T.o.P, Freeza’s not as bad anymore. Whether you like it or not, that is the most likely place as to where Freeza’s character is going. There is evidence of that. There is nothing that suggests that Freeza is training for revenge or is going to go kill the U6 saiyans. Infact, theres more evidence against that idea, which i presented in my previous comment.

Stop saying not everyone can be redeemed. Vegeta, Piccolo, the Androids, Buu, etc are all proof that Freeza can. Doesn’t matter whether you dont believe it should happen or not.

Ok but Piccolo, Vegeta and the androids are not Freeza. They don't "prove" that Freeza is redeemable because he was a villain for much longer and on a larger scale than anybody else. It would not be a believable story if Freeza suddenly becomes good and just kinda hangs out with the Z fighters. The options are either make him part of the group or kill him off again. I realize this is "just my opinion" but that is true of all of this conversation. In my opinion, they should give him an interesting death and call it a day. Freeza is the one character that cannot nor should he be made into a part of the main cast.

Nah toriyama and toei will keep bringing him back as a recurring villain from now on.

[AnimeNation101]

Freeza is THE villain of the DB franchise I have to question why you would make the biggest,most iconic villain in the series now suddenly become an anti-hero and not a villain anymore. There's no reason to keep him alive unless he becomes an anti-hero but Freeza is the one character that should never be redeemed nor should he ever become "one of the good guys" in any capacity even if it is just an "anti-hero"role. The only other alternative that they have than that is to kill him off again. You say that they wouldn't revive him only for him to die again, but this has already happened twice. He was revived just to be killed again twice prior to this

No. Its only happened once. For RoF. And this is all your opinion. Because YOU believe Freeza is THE villain of Dragon Ball when there is NO single most important villain in Dragon ball. I’m not the one making Freeza less evil and more of an anti-hero. Thats Toriyama. He’s always loved to make bad guys turn good. Ands with how Freeza has developed and the fact tat they let such an evil tyrant live, it just there way of telling us that by the end of the T.o.P, Freeza’s not as bad anymore. Whether you like it or not, that is the most likely place as to where Freeza’s character is going. There is evidence of that. There is nothing that suggests that Freeza is training for revenge or is going to go kill the U6 saiyans. Infact, theres more evidence against that idea, which i presented in my previous comment.

Stop saying not everyone can be redeemed. Vegeta, Piccolo, the Androids, Buu, etc are all proof that Freeza can. Doesn’t matter whether you dont believe it should happen or not.

Ok but Piccolo, Vegeta and the androids are not Freeza. They don't "prove" that Freeza is redeemable because he was a villain for much longer and on a larger scale than anybody else. It would not be a believable story if Freeza suddenly becomes good and just kinda hangs out with the Z fighters. The options are either make him part of the group or kill him off again. I realize this is "just my opinion" but that is true of all of this conversation. In my opinion, they should give him an interesting death and call it a day. Freeza is the one character that cannot nor should he be made into a part of the main cast.

First off, Buu went from being a being of pure chaos to someone who split from and fought off his evil counterpart. Anything is possible. As I’ve been saying, there is a third option where Freeza just doesn’t try to always kill the z fighters and instead just worries about his empire. He would be a wild card who just does or helps whoever he wants for his own benefit. Thats what he did in the T.o.P.

[AnimeNation101]

No. Its only happened once. For RoF. And this is all your opinion. Because YOU believe Freeza is THE villain of Dragon Ball when there is NO single most important villain in Dragon ball. I’m not the one making Freeza less evil and more of an anti-hero. Thats Toriyama. He’s always loved to make bad guys turn good. Ands with how Freeza has developed and the fact tat they let such an evil tyrant live, it just there way of telling us that by the end of the T.o.P, Freeza’s not as bad anymore. Whether you like it or not, that is the most likely place as to where Freeza’s character is going. There is evidence of that. There is nothing that suggests that Freeza is training for revenge or is going to go kill the U6 saiyans. Infact, theres more evidence against that idea, which i presented in my previous comment.

Stop saying not everyone can be redeemed. Vegeta, Piccolo, the Androids, Buu, etc are all proof that Freeza can. Doesn’t matter whether you dont believe it should happen or not.

Ok but Piccolo, Vegeta and the androids are not Freeza. They don't "prove" that Freeza is redeemable because he was a villain for much longer and on a larger scale than anybody else. It would not be a believable story if Freeza suddenly becomes good and just kinda hangs out with the Z fighters. The options are either make him part of the group or kill him off again. I realize this is "just my opinion" but that is true of all of this conversation. In my opinion, they should give him an interesting death and call it a day. Freeza is the one character that cannot nor should he be made into a part of the main cast.

Nah toriyama and toei will keep bringing him back as a recurring villain from now on.

No, because even Toei and Toriyama aren’t dumb enough to do the same damn story a third time.

[Toxin45]

Ok but Piccolo, Vegeta and the androids are not Freeza. They don't "prove" that Freeza is redeemable because he was a villain for much longer and on a larger scale than anybody else. It would not be a believable story if Freeza suddenly becomes good and just kinda hangs out with the Z fighters. The options are either make him part of the group or kill him off again. I realize this is "just my opinion" but that is true of all of this conversation. In my opinion, they should give him an interesting death and call it a day. Freeza is the one character that cannot nor should he be made into a part of the main cast.

Nah toriyama and toei will keep bringing him back as a recurring villain from now on.

No, because even Toei and Toriyama aren’t dumb enough to do the same damn story a third time.

Not saying he would be the main villain again but he will be a recurring villain still he never intends to give up his evil ways and Toei did bring Frieza back for Ressurection F so anything is possible now. Toriyama wanted to make an exception Frieza and also I think we had enough reformed villains.

[AnimeNation101]

Nah toriyama and toei will keep bringing him back as a recurring villain from now on.

No, because even Toei and Toriyama aren’t dumb enough to do the same damn story a third time.

Not saying he would be the main villain again but he will be a recurring villain still he never intends to give up his evil ways and Toei did bring Frieza back for Ressurection F so anything is possible now. Toriyama wanted to make an exception Frieza and also I think we had enough reformed villains.

As i said before, Toei and Toriyama aren’t dumb enough to do the same story a 3rd or even more times. Its too repetitive and would just end up making Freeza the new pilaf. Someone who will come along to achieve his goal only for him to lose and run off just for him to come back again. Its lame and would completely degrade Freeza rather than just making him an anti-hero or wild card.

[Toxin45]

No, because even Toei and Toriyama aren’t dumb enough to do the same damn story a third time.

Not saying he would be the main villain again but he will be a recurring villain still he never intends to give up his evil ways and Toei did bring Frieza back for Ressurection F so anything is possible now. Toriyama wanted to make an exception Frieza and also I think we had enough reformed villains.

As i said before, Toei and Toriyama aren’t dumb enough to do the same story a 3rd or even more times. Its too repetitive and would just end up making Freeza the new pilaf. Someone who will come along to achieve his goal only for him to lose and run off just for him to come back again. Its lame and would completely degrade Freeza rather than just making him an anti-hero or wild card.

He would not be the new pilaf he has character development and plus he is way more smarter than pilaf and also Toriyama wants to make Frieza Goku's archenemy and he is pretty much the Joker at this point now. and being a good guy would be completely ruin the character for Frieza and just look at the other reformed villains they would some of the jobbers look at Piccolo,tien,and even Vegeta gets jobbered at times,and Buu became a demotivate supporting character with little role also Pilaf is a good guy now.

[Vegeta_Sama]

He would not be the new pilaf he has character development and plus he is way more smarter than pilaf

Not really. Pilaf managed to figure out that timeline thing in the Manga, in regards to the time machine. Bulma even complimented him on his intelligence. I doubt Frieza could do that.

[Toxin45]

He would not be the new pilaf he has character development and plus he is way more smarter than pilaf

Not really. Pilaf managed to figure out that timeline thing in the Manga, in regards to the time machine. Bulma even complimented him on his intelligence. I doubt Frieza could do that.

Well Frieza got more smarter after the tournament of power.

[Vegeta_Sama]

He would not be the new pilaf he has character development and plus he is way more smarter than pilaf

Not really. Pilaf managed to figure out that timeline thing in the Manga, in regards to the time machine. Bulma even complimented him on his intelligence. I doubt Frieza could do that.

Well Frieza got more smarter after the tournament of power.

It's not like he took an intelligence potion. He didn't became a genious that can suddenly figure out how time machines and timelines work just by fighting people. He may be a smart fighter, buy he isn't smarter than Pilaf.

[AnimeNation101]

He would not be the new pilaf he has character development and plus he is way more smarter than pilaf

Not really. Pilaf managed to figure out that timeline thing in the Manga, in regards to the time machine. Bulma even complimented him on his intelligence. I doubt Frieza could do that.

Well Frieza got more smarter after the tournament of power.

“More smarter?” First off, I'm sorry but i had to point that out. Second. No he didnm’t. He was exactly the same clever guy he always was

[AnimeNation101]

Not saying he would be the main villain again but he will be a recurring villain still he never intends to give up his evil ways and Toei did bring Frieza back for Ressurection F so anything is possible now. Toriyama wanted to make an exception Frieza and also I think we had enough reformed villains.

As i said before, Toei and Toriyama aren’t dumb enough to do the same story a 3rd or even more times. Its too repetitive and would just end up making Freeza the new pilaf. Someone who will come along to achieve his goal only for him to lose and run off just for him to come back again. Its lame and would completely degrade Freeza rather than just making him an anti-hero or wild card.

He would not be the new pilaf he has character development and plus he is way more smarter than pilaf and also Toriyama wants to make Frieza Goku's archenemy and he is pretty much the Joker at this point now. and being a good guy would be completely ruin the character for Frieza and just look at the other reformed villains they would some of the jobbers look at Piccolo,tien,and even Vegeta gets jobbered at times,and Buu became a demotivate supporting character with little role also Pilaf is a good guy now.

Are you even reading my posts? I never said Freeza would become a good guy. And about jobbers, its already been speculated that Freeza might job to the new villain if he’s in the movie.

[Toxin45]

As i said before, Toei and Toriyama aren’t dumb enough to do the same story a 3rd or even more times. Its too repetitive and would just end up making Freeza the new pilaf. Someone who will come along to achieve his goal only for him to lose and run off just for him to come back again. Its lame and would completely degrade Freeza rather than just making him an anti-hero or wild card.

He would not be the new pilaf he has character development and plus he is way more smarter than pilaf and also Toriyama wants to make Frieza Goku's archenemy and he is pretty much the Joker at this point now. and being a good guy would be completely ruin the character for Frieza and just look at the other reformed villains they would some of the jobbers look at Piccolo,tien,and even Vegeta gets jobbered at times,and Buu became a demotivate supporting character with little role also Pilaf is a good guy now.

Are you even reading my posts? I never said Freeza would become a good guy. And about jobbers, its already been speculated that Freeza might job to the new villain if he’s in the movie.

Nah the new villain is simply frozen on earth

[Mister_Popo]

Freeza is forced in the position of anti-hero because he is so much weaker now than Goku. He is definitely not on the level of Blue Kaioken , let alone UI. He has to stay relatively 'calm', otherwise he'll risk a one way ticket back to his friends in hell.
The only reason why he helped U7 during TOP was pure egocentrism. Deep inside he probably still hates Goku a lot. Would he be granted MUI through training of some corrupt angel, he'll use it to take Goku down right away.
He is the most recurrent villain, in a sense Gokus nemesis and it's plausible we'll see him back in that role some day, but i sincerely don't hope in this upcoming movie and hopefully in another kind of plot than ROF.

[AnimeNation101]

He would not be the new pilaf he has character development and plus he is way more smarter than pilaf and also Toriyama wants to make Frieza Goku's archenemy and he is pretty much the Joker at this point now. and being a good guy would be completely ruin the character for Frieza and just look at the other reformed villains they would some of the jobbers look at Piccolo,tien,and even Vegeta gets jobbered at times,and Buu became a demotivate supporting character with little role also Pilaf is a good guy now.

Are you even reading my posts? I never said Freeza would become a good guy. And about jobbers, its already been speculated that Freeza might job to the new villain if he’s in the movie.

Nah the new villain is simply frozen on earth

Never was confirmed either. I’m just gonna assume you’re a troll and stop replying.

[Toxin45]

Are you even reading my posts? I never said Freeza would become a good guy. And about jobbers, its already been speculated that Freeza might job to the new villain if he’s in the movie.

Nah the new villain is simply frozen on earth

Never was confirmed either. I’m just gonna assume you’re a troll and stop replying.

It has an arctic place and I never troll anyone dude pretty sure that came from earth name other frost planets you think of?

[jeffbr92]

I hope this movie isn't just the Saiyan Saga on ice.

If the movie turns out to be good as the Saiyan arc (the best in the whole manga IMO), then I'll be fine with it.