Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Hugo Boss]

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Interesting that they are still hiding Beerus’ strength in relation to Goku and Jiren.

[AvatarReiko]

Curious. What is everyone's opinions on Seththeprogrammer and his DBZ power scaling?

[Helios518]

Curious. What is everyone's opinions on Seththeprogrammer and his DBZ power scaling?

Not a fan. A lot of his arguments stem from questionable sources, fallacies, and splitting hair. He's just a step above ScrewAttack IMO, but to be fair, most DB youtube power scalers tend to be like that.

[Marlowe89]

Curious. What is everyone's opinions on Seththeprogrammer and his DBZ power scaling?

Who?

[spoiler]Don't answer, that was a rhetorical question.[/spoiler]

Interesting that they are still hiding Beerus’ strength in relation to Goku and Jiren.

I don't recall them ever drawing a direct comparison to Beerus specifically in the anime either, so that's not surprising.

[Logania]

Curious. What is everyone's opinions on Seththeprogrammer and his DBZ power scaling?

Opinions on him? Crybaby.

Opinions on his powerscaling? He pulls his back out from all that reaching.

[Rally 07]

Curious. What is everyone's opinions on Seththeprogrammer and his DBZ power scaling?

I actually quite like SethTheProgrammer and Chuck The Cyber Cuck, however their attitudes in some of their videos can be pretty redundant and unnecessary to be honest.

[Kenneth La Torre]

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Interesting that they are still hiding Beerus’ strength in relation to Goku and Jiren.

You shouldnt be, because it isnt just beerus, every hakaishin and angel, including marcarita and belmod, have ???? As ther power.

[Miracles]

Jiren's power up against UI Goku was a release of his "hidden power." So he didn't gain more power, just let out what he already had due to him remembering his past.

[Hugo Boss]

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Interesting that they are still hiding Beerus’ strength in relation to Goku and Jiren.

You shouldnt be, because it isnt just beerus, every hakaishin and angel, including marcarita and belmod, have ???? As ther power.

I shouldn’t be what? I’m aware that in older collections the gods were ????, but since Ultra Instinct Goku (mastered) had ???? previously and they gave him a number now I personally find interesting that they are still being secretive about Beerus’ strength (can we still expect something about him?).

[Kenneth La Torre]

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Interesting that they are still hiding Beerus’ strength in relation to Goku and Jiren.

You shouldnt be, because it isnt just beerus, every hakaishin and angel, including marcarita and belmod, have ???? As ther power.

I shouldn’t be what? I’m aware that in older collections the gods were ????, but since Ultra Instinct Goku (mastered) had ???? previously and they gave him a number now I personally find interesting that they are still being secretive about Beerus’ strength (can we still expect something about him?).

No, like i said, it isnt only beerus. Dont take thiese stickers seriously. If we go by whats been stated in the show, then SSB vegito is so strong that he is stated in two sources (manga and interview) to be pretty much as strong as beerus, and SSB vegito in the stickers has a power of 9300. And the stickers also have the non-shirtless jiren equal to MUI Goku (9500), when we saw MUI goku play around with jiren.

This shouldnt be taken seriously in the first place. Even ssj4 Gogeta (9200) has a higher power than UIO goku (9000), and we know that is dumb.

[Marlowe89]

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Just wanted to quote this again just to specify how this particular set compares their powers (just the current set; I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to compare different sets):

Ultra Instinct Goku > Jiren (FP) > SSB Vegito > Fused Zamasu = SSBE Vegeta > GoD Toppo > Kefla (FP) > SSB Goku > Golden Frieza > SSR Black > SS Rage Trunks > SSG Goku > Ultimate Gohan

What's interesting is that this matches my personal ranking almost 100%. I don't know if we're supposed to take it as word of god, but there was definitely some thought put into this and it's also official, so...

[Kenneth La Torre]

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Just wanted to quote this again just to specify how this particular set compares their powers (just the current set; I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to compare different sets):

Ultra Instinct Goku > Jiren (FP) > SSB Vegito = Fused Zamasu > SSBE Vegeta > GoD Toppo > Kefla (FP) > SSB Goku > Golden Frieza > SSR Black > SS Rage Trunks > SSG Goku > Ultimate Gohan

What's interesting is that this matches my personal ranking almost 100%. I don't know if we're supposed to take it as word of god, but there's definitely a specific structure here and it's also official, so...

The cards disagrees with you on some occassions, which as a whole means it doesnt agree with you. Not to be taken seriously anyways

[Hugo Boss]

You shouldnt be, because it isnt just beerus, every hakaishin and angel, including marcarita and belmod, have ???? As ther power.

I shouldn’t be what? I’m aware that in older collections the gods were ????, but since Ultra Instinct Goku (mastered) had ???? previously and they gave him a number now I personally find interesting that they are still being secretive about Beerus’ strength (can we still expect something about him?).

No, like i said, it isnt only beerus. Dont take thiese stickers seriously. If we go by whats been stated in the show, then SSB vegito is so strong that he is stated in two sources (manga and interview) to be pretty much as strong as beerus, and SSB vegito in the stickers has a power of 9300. And the stickers also have the non-shirtless jiren equal to MUI Goku (9500), when we saw MUI goku play around with jiren.

This shouldnt be taken seriously in the first place. Even ssj4 Gogeta (9200) has a higher power than UIO goku (9000), and we know that is dumb.

I’m not getting why you think you are in the position to tell me what I should take seriously or not. Regardless, I don’t care about it. I just brought it here because it’s related to the thread, it’s the closest to official content we have in this regard, and more importantly to have fun with it. By the way, I don’t see any inconsistency between the stickers and the anime (any SS4 Gogeta’s strength assessment is pure speculation). And Ultra Instinct Goku’s number is 9600.

[Marlowe89]

The cards disagrees with you on some occassions, which as a whole means it doesnt agree with you. Not to be taken seriously anyways

I disagree with you, and I think you're looking at it from an overly black-and-white approach that honestly isn't warranted at all. The cards/stickers don't require a literal disclaimer to demonstrate that there's obviously some room for debate; it doesn't change my point regardless.

The only real discrepancy between this ranking and my own ranking is my placement of Fused Zamasu, and I'm going to level with you here -- I have absolutely no problem bumping him up a few notches.

[Hugo Boss]

Ultra Instinct Goku > Jiren (FP) > SSB Vegito = Fused Zamasu > SSBE Vegeta > GoD Toppo > Kefla (FP) > SSB Goku > Golden Frieza > SSR Black > SS Rage Trunks > SSG Goku > Ultimate Gohan

What's interesting is that this matches my personal ranking almost 100%. I don't know if we're supposed to take it as word of god, but there was definitely some thought put into this and it's also official, so...

Actually, while Vegetto has 9300 in both stickers (I don’t know why they bothered to give him two but anyway), Zamasu has 9000, the same number of SSBE Vegeta.

[Marlowe89]

Actually, while Vegetto has 9300 in both stickers (I don’t know why they bothered to give him two but anyway), Zamasu has 9000, the same number of SSBE Vegeta.

I know, I meant to put the "=" between Fused Zamasu and SSBE Vegeta (which makes sense). Edited my post, thanks for the correction.

[Logania]

Dang, look at Cooler go! His 4th form is basically half of Fused Zamasu! He could solo the Z-verse with ease!

I'm so proud of him.

[Bullza]

I have no idea what's really going on here (I visit this thread less and less) but in the above link with the stickers this is what Herms said.

"So according to these cards (clearly the most canon of canon) the pecking order for the latter portion of Super goes like this:

UI Goku, Jiren
SSB Vegetto
Merged Zamasu, SSBE Vegeta
GoD Toppo
Kefla
SSB Goku
Golden Freeza
SSR Goku Black
Spirit Sword Trunks
SSG Goku
Gohan"

Now I don't know how much emphasis you want to place on a bunch of stickers but I could absolutely accept that order.

Ultra Instinct Goku and Jiren at the top, obviously.

Super Saiyan Blue Vegito, yes because the manga implied him to be a bit above Beerus who I'd rate above all over those others.

Super Saiyan Blue Evolution Vegeta, yes because he was about on par, a little above a God of Destruction. Merged Zamasu I was unsure about. He did fairly well against Vegito and logically he should be above Kefla but I had a few doubts.

God of Destruction Toppo, that's fine.

Super Saiyan 2 Kefla, yeah that's fine too, I don't rate her as high as a God of Destruction.

Super Saiyan Blue Goku then Golden Frieza, I'd have thought they'd have the same score but not important.

Super Saiyan Rose Black, I have said before I've thought he was weaker. Some don't think so but I didn't think it would make sense for him to be stronger than Goku if Goku could still match Merged Zamasu to an extent.

Spirit Sword Trunks is probably the most questionable. Without the sword I agree with the placement 100%. With the sword...he killed Merged Zamasu so...but whatever.

Super Saiyan God Goku, fine.

Ultimate Gohan, which again was always questionable. He definitely wasn't as strong as a Super Saiyan Blue but he could have been close. Again logically I think him being below Super Saiyan God is what would make the most sense.

So I think might go by this because it does make sense. Keep an eye out for that in the future because I'd want to see where they'd put Android 17 and Hit.

[SayianBeyondGod]

Yeah, but he still increased his original full power, which is kind of pointed out by Goku in 131, where he states that both of them got stronger during the fight.

When was this stated?

[spoiler][/spoiler]
Its certainly not a vague statement, but I think its more reliable than the otherwise unreliable, or inaccurate spoilers have proven.

I'm pretty sure Jiren got stronger after transformation so it's possible that Goku could be referring to that.

[SayianBeyondGod]

Can someone explain me what's with the cards that have correlation to strength?