"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[ShaggyBlanco]

[That has to be a joke. In the anime only U7 did something. In the manga it's different.

U6 had 12 eliminations before going out with U6 taking out most of U11. U2 had three including one person from U7. So, it's factually untrue that "only U7 did something".

Three, oh boy...

Here U4 had 6 eliminations, which is much more than the main foe (Jiren) had in the anime.

That still doesn't justify saying "In the anime only U7 did something"

[Zamasu55]

U6 had 12 eliminations before going out with U6 taking out most of U11. U2 had three including one person from U7. So, it's factually untrue that "only U7 did something".

Three, oh boy...

Here U4 had 6 eliminations, which is much more than the main foe (Jiren) had in the anime.

That still doesn't justify saying "In the anime only U7 did something"

U7 and U6, which still a much inferior role (their strongest fighters eliminated less people than U7's weakest fighter).

The others were fodder, U4 for example, and then we the joke of all the Universes, the eleventh. Their best fighters accomplished nothing indeed. One of them was a God of Destruction and couldn't even eliminate 17 and Freeza.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Three, oh boy...

Here U4 had 6 eliminations, which is much more than the main foe (Jiren) had in the anime.

That still doesn't justify saying "In the anime only U7 did something"

U7 and U6, which still a much inferior role (their strongest fighters eliminated less people than U7's weakest fighter).

The others were fodder, U4 for example, and then we the joke of all the Universes, the eleventh. Their best fighters accomplished nothing indeed. One of them was a God of Destruction and couldn't even eliminate 17 and Freeza.

Ha, funny. If you think universe 11 was the joke universe, you must be living in a parallel universe. That just shows your bias against universe 11. While universe 11 (for the most part) was dissapointing, it is by far not the joke of all universes.

[Zamasu55]

That still doesn't justify saying "In the anime only U7 did something"

U7 and U6, which still a much inferior role (their strongest fighters eliminated less people than U7's weakest fighter).

The others were fodder, U4 for example, and then we the joke of all the Universes, the eleventh. Their best fighters accomplished nothing indeed. One of them was a God of Destruction and couldn't even eliminate 17 and Freeza.

Ha, funny. If you think universe 11 was the joke universe, you must be living in a parallel universe. That just shows your bias against universe 11. While universe 11 (for the most part) was dissapointing, it is by far not the joke of all universes.

Remind me again. What did they accomplish?

[Lord Beerus]

U7 and U6, which still a much inferior role (their strongest fighters eliminated less people than U7's weakest fighter).

The others were fodder, U4 for example, and then we the joke of all the Universes, the eleventh. Their best fighters accomplished nothing indeed. One of them was a God of Destruction and couldn't even eliminate 17 and Freeza.

Ha, funny. If you think universe 11 was the joke universe, you must be living in a parallel universe. That just shows your bias against universe 11. While universe 11 (for the most part) was dissapointing, it is by far not the joke of all universes.

Remind me again. What did they accomplish?

More than Universe 3 and 10. Jiren eliminated Maji Kayo, Hit and Vegeta

[Kenneth La Torre]

U7 and U6, which still a much inferior role (their strongest fighters eliminated less people than U7's weakest fighter).

The others were fodder, U4 for example, and then we the joke of all the Universes, the eleventh. Their best fighters accomplished nothing indeed. One of them was a God of Destruction and couldn't even eliminate 17 and Freeza.

Ha, funny. If you think universe 11 was the joke universe, you must be living in a parallel universe. That just shows your bias against universe 11. While universe 11 (for the most part) was dissapointing, it is by far not the joke of all universes.

Remind me again. What did they accomplish?

Aw damn, what did they accomplish? Besides surviving till bearly the very end with universe 7.
Thats the only explanation you need that puts them above the shittiest of universes.

[batistabus]

Apparently, Ribrianne calls No.18 "Ms. Ugly" but is blown away by how handsome Kuririn is.

I think that's the best thing ever.

[Exline]

Apparently, Ribrianne calls No.18 "Ms. Ugly" but is blown away by how handsome Kuririn is.

I think that's the best thing ever.

I can't understand what's so funny about that.
I'm probably in the minority, but I thought the opposite was funnier. Especially Ribrianne calling out Krillin for not having a nose.

[dbzfan7]

Apparently, Ribrianne calls No.18 "Ms. Ugly" but is blown away by how handsome Kuririn is.

I think that's the best thing ever.

I can't understand what's so funny about that.
I'm probably in the minority, but I thought the opposite was funnier. Especially Ribrianne calling out Krillin for not having a nose.

Her transformed state is what typically would be mocked for beauty by the superficial, but if that is beauty in universe 2, then no nose Krillin by that logic would be super handsome. If she considers her larger form beauty, then she probably considers what we think as beautiful ugly. It's kinda like that I believe.

I prefer this as the Krillin nose joke has been done plenty before.

[batistabus]

I can't understand what's so funny about that.
I'm probably in the minority, but I thought the opposite was funnier. Especially Ribrianne calling out Krillin for not having a nose.

The nose joke has been done before, and Kuririn gets shit on enough already. Even though Kuririn is super short, bald, and the butt of many jokes, I think it's hilarious cosmic justice that Ribrianne would find him extremely hot. The main joke at play is that No. 18 would tend to be though of as the babe in that relationship, but Ribrianne sees it the opposite way. Honestly, it's more payoff than Kuririn got from fighting in the ToP anime.

One that comes off the top of my head was the first chapter of the Future Trunks Saga when Toyo felt the need to explained Dragon Ball time-travel twice. One through Jaco when he's talking to Tights and Bulma, and again with the teacher. That one in particular stands out since the teacher's explanation was utterly unneeded, especially in the same chapter after Jaco just explained time-travel.

As for Healer Trunks, I gave a giant explanation why I had issues with it, so I will give the footnote version if you don't mind. Basically, Trunks having healing powers and literally no one telling him for no reason changed the story since Trunks knowing that he could heal would have changed a lot of events. The biggest one being that he may have saved Shin when Dabura mortally wounded him. It likes Toyo introduced a plot point to make Trunks useful without physically making him stronger without realizing the wider implications of it, which is a common mistake of fanfic writers.

If you want more details, you can look through my post history where I give a far more detail explanation.

Another user correctly predicted what your issues might be, so I'll just quote my response.

I think I remember chapter 14 where there are multiple pages of dialogue explaining how time travel works, but this was also the same chapter that we meet Trunks again for the first time in a while, and if Toyo found better ways to simplify the exposition, more pages could have been spent showing Trunks, Mai, and their future world.

As for Trunk's healing, he became the Supreme Kai's apprentice, and somehow the Supreme Kai forgot to tell Trunks about this very important ability that can be of great help when facing Dabadi and Dabura. Not only that, but it could have possibly changed much of how the arc went. While Supreme Kai has been shown to be incompetent, I am not sure if he would be able to forget something important as that.

You may have preferred time to be spent elsewhere, but this is something that was apparently in Toriyama's outline (since an alternative version is in the anime). It's got some gags, cute expressions, and it doesn't occur during ongoing action, so I don't see this as excessive.

I will admit that what you're talking about would have been tied up much neater if Gowasu had explained the powers of the apprentice and Shin had not known, but there are plenty of plausible explanations. It's possible that the Shin of Trunks' future wasn't aware that disciples were automatically granted healing abilities. Of course, he knew that Kibito had these abilities, but perhaps he thought they were unique to Kibito or exclusive to Core people in general. Kibito served the other Kaioshin of Universe 7 after all, and it's likely that Trunks was his first baptism. Our Shin could've found out about the healing through his merger with Kibito or from a lesson from the Elder Kaioshin. Alternatively, as Kibito was present at the battle against Dabura, it's possible that they thought it would be better for Trunks to focus exclusively on combat/training with the Z Sword (as he was by far their strongest fighter and healing heavily drains ki) and to rely on Kibito for healing (who was already much more experienced).

When during the battle do you think it would have been beneficial for Trunks to exchange the ki required to defeat Dabra and save the universe for healing Shin? If you're just talking about after the battle, Trunks would have been too exhausted to perform healing.

[Zeru14]

I will admit that what you're talking about would have been tied up much neater if Gowasu had explained the powers of the apprentice and Shin had not known, but there are plenty of plausible explanations. It's possible that the Shin of Trunks' future wasn't aware that disciples were automatically granted healing abilities. Of course, he knew that Kibito had these abilities, but perhaps he thought they were unique to Kibito or exclusive to Core people in general. Kibito served the other Kaioshin of Universe 7 after all, and it's likely that Trunks was his first baptism. Our Shin could've found out about the healing through his merger with Kibito or from a lesson from the Elder Kaioshin. Alternatively, as Kibito was present at the battle against Dabura, it's possible that they thought it would be better for Trunks to focus exclusively on combat/training with the Z Sword (as he was by far their strongest fighter and healing heavily drains ki) and to rely on Kibito for healing (who was already much more experienced).

Yeah I'm starting to think, that Future Shin just didn't know that Future Trunks had the Healing Technique, remember that Future Old Kai was never released from the Z-Sword, so Future Shin was missing a lot of information, he and Future Kibito never found out about the Potara Earring Fusion for example, something they would have used in the battle with Team Babidi if they had.

[ToshioWrites]

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[CJStriker_CBR]

Makes you wonder why they ever decided to hype up Ribrianne, seeing how she jobbed in both Anime and Manga without doing anything relevant.

Thankfully they kicked her out right away in the manga, in the anime she was in our faces all the time, even in Goku and Jiren's fight.

As always it depends on who you would ask that question to Sintzu, for others Like Me and other fans I have talked to Ribrianne and the Magical Girls where some of the Best parts of the ToP. Lets just realizes again and respect that their is No Universal opinion on any character, some like certain characters and some dislike those characters, this including to main characters like Goku and Vegeta who I have heard enough negatives about as well that I don't agree with either.

Ribrianne's screen time was more then justified and a decent amount of us hope to see her back in the Future to Enjoy her Again.

The Manga Eliminated many characters in this Chapter and I will not spoiler who the others where, but by the names the writing held no punches on who they eliminated,

[spoiler]U7 ~ Piccolo and Android 18[/spoiler]

It makes me less dis-pointed My Ribrianne and Girls are out cause so many now are going fast in the Manga. That seems to be the nature of how this story is going and those eliminated should not have any negative hits any of their Characters place on them.

[Dragono]

Ok, what the hell, I thought Toriyama decided the order, why is Roshi still in if 18 and Piccolo are out. Why did 18 get eliminated by U4?


Do you see why I don't trust those interviews.

U11 still has all their members left?

[shadowmaria]

Ok, what the hell, I thought Toriyama decided the order, why is Roshi still in if 18 and Piccolo are out. Why did 18 get eliminated by U4??

I mean, strictly speaking; Toriyama decided the order. That does not mean that Toei Animation didn't change the order, or that Toyotaro changed the order - or even they both ignored the order altogether

[Zamasu55]

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This sure isn't MSsjB

[Kenneth La Torre]

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This sure isn't MSsjB

It is.

[Zamasu55]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

This sure isn't MSsjB

It is.

But Toyotaro drew it different during Vegeta's fight with Beerus.

[mute_proxy]

But Toyotaro drew it different during Vegeta's fight with Beerus.

His aura is disappearing, it's the same.

[Kenneth La Torre]

This sure isn't MSsjB

It is.

But Toyotaro drew it different during Vegeta's fight with Beerus.

He absorbed the ki differently you mean. At least you see him kind of absorbing it. Last chapter, whis had to explicitly state that goku was using CSSB, as he just burst into the form.