Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

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Re: Official "DB Super 2018 Movie" Discussion Thread

Post by Ki Breaker » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:44 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:
namekiansaiyan wrote:Are you looking forward to enjoying Piccolo fight while his assistant is at home reading a book? :)
No.. because
namekiansaiyan wrote: There are said to be many Saiyans in this so I expect every characters who is fighting to get some of these.
Who said he is fighting?
Who said he isn't :)
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It is just forced rubbish to extend the movie.
It was fun, now that's how I rank em, if something adds to a story in a fun way, it's not rubbish, it's enhancement.. :D
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Post by Nafno » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:05 pm

BlueBasilisk wrote:If Toriyama had a problem with SSBE or Kaioken Blue he could have simply said no like he did for Jiren having Toppo's over the top hammy personality, or Toyotaro's idea to have Belmod and Marcarita be lovers. He also wrote the script for Resurrection F but if I recall he left the fight scenes mostly blank and left it up to the anime staff to create a cool spectacle because he knew they could. Him writing the script doesn't preclude either and it's not like he isn't open to ideas and suggestions from Toei. Wasn't this movie their pitch in the first place?
What? Tell me more about that, please.

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Post by majinwarman » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:14 pm

Nafno wrote:
BlueBasilisk wrote:If Toriyama had a problem with SSBE or Kaioken Blue he could have simply said no like he did for Jiren having Toppo's over the top hammy personality, or Toyotaro's idea to have Belmod and Marcarita be lovers. He also wrote the script for Resurrection F but if I recall he left the fight scenes mostly blank and left it up to the anime staff to create a cool spectacle because he knew they could. Him writing the script doesn't preclude either and it's not like he isn't open to ideas and suggestions from Toei. Wasn't this movie their pitch in the first place?
What? Tell me more about that, please.
They originally came to Toriyama for ideas about a movie. They went back and forth trying to get the best story for a movie and they finally had it. Which lead to the movie that we have now.
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Post by PFM18 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:35 pm

mute_proxy wrote:The form was inconsequential, had no buildup, no actual impact and was never mentioned again.
False on all accounts. It had all the qualities you said it didnt

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Post by Nafno » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:55 pm

majinwarman wrote:
Nafno wrote:
BlueBasilisk wrote:If Toriyama had a problem with SSBE or Kaioken Blue he could have simply said no like he did for Jiren having Toppo's over the top hammy personality, or Toyotaro's idea to have Belmod and Marcarita be lovers. He also wrote the script for Resurrection F but if I recall he left the fight scenes mostly blank and left it up to the anime staff to create a cool spectacle because he knew they could. Him writing the script doesn't preclude either and it's not like he isn't open to ideas and suggestions from Toei. Wasn't this movie their pitch in the first place?
What? Tell me more about that, please.
They originally came to Toriyama for ideas about a movie. They went back and forth trying to get the best story for a movie and they finally had it. Which lead to the movie that we have now.
I was askinf for the part I put in bold about Toyotaro trying to make Belmod and Marcarita lovers.

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Post by BlueBasilisk » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:06 pm

Nafno wrote:
BlueBasilisk wrote:If Toriyama had a problem with SSBE or Kaioken Blue he could have simply said no like he did for Jiren having Toppo's over the top hammy personality, or Toyotaro's idea to have Belmod and Marcarita be lovers. He also wrote the script for Resurrection F but if I recall he left the fight scenes mostly blank and left it up to the anime staff to create a cool spectacle because he knew they could. Him writing the script doesn't preclude either and it's not like he isn't open to ideas and suggestions from Toei. Wasn't this movie their pitch in the first place?
What? Tell me more about that, please.
Oh, there's not much to tell about that. https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/929247795873058818 Toyotaro made them much too close and Toriyama vetoed it because Angels dispatched by Zeno would never be that close to their GoD.

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Post by TheShadowEmperor8055 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:39 pm

Can Shintani please just take over as Dragon Ball's main animation director/supervisor for the future? I've liked literally everything he's done up to this point.

And while some may not like this, I like how Super Saiyan Blue's hair is actually depicted as blue, and not this cyan color (not that I hate the cyan or anything). It's probably why the blue in Goku and Vegeta's outfits were made darker shade in order to better bring out this shade of blue for SSB's hair.

As for SSGSSE, I'm pretty sure the blue color for its hair will be in between the blue for Shintani's SSB hair and the navy blue for Vegeta's clothes , so I don't think it'll be too much of a problem to the point where it is indistinguishable from SSB.

And I say all of this assuming those better quality scans are correct. For all we know, the color of the hair for SSB could look different in the actually movie itself.

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Post by majinwarman » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:49 pm

BlueBasilisk wrote:
Nafno wrote:
BlueBasilisk wrote:If Toriyama had a problem with SSBE or Kaioken Blue he could have simply said no like he did for Jiren having Toppo's over the top hammy personality, or Toyotaro's idea to have Belmod and Marcarita be lovers. He also wrote the script for Resurrection F but if I recall he left the fight scenes mostly blank and left it up to the anime staff to create a cool spectacle because he knew they could. Him writing the script doesn't preclude either and it's not like he isn't open to ideas and suggestions from Toei. Wasn't this movie their pitch in the first place?
What? Tell me more about that, please.
Oh, there's not much to tell about that. https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/929247795873058818 Toyotaro made them much too close and Toriyama vetoed it because Angels dispatched by Zeno would never be that close to their GoD.
I forgot all about that.
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Post by Monna » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:15 pm

Toei is teasing me by showing Piccolo in the promotions. I know this is a saiyan movie and I'm setting myself up for disappointment, but I'm getting vibes of Big Green hype.

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Post by Logania » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:48 pm

BlueBasilisk wrote:Oh, there's not much to tell about that. https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/929247795873058818 Toyotaro made them much too close and Toriyama vetoed it because Angels dispatched by Zeno would never be that close to their GoD.
I kind of wished that it would've been a thing. We don't need every relationship between God and Angel to be the exact same thing, it would've been a bit cute. I mean they're products of Zeno, but they clearly are people with emotions and act different from each other, It wouldn't be too far off for one of them to somehow have feelings with a person they're with for thousands of years. It also woud've pushed further the similarities of them to Joker and Harley Quinn...you know, without the whole toxic abuse of course lol
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Post by JazzMazz » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:15 am

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JazzMazz wrote: I think a more accurate measurement of worth would be worthwhile screen time, which include significance to the overall plot, and interesting character interactions and dynamics.

Personally, thats why I felt that Freeza army scene was kind of dull for the most part, it didn't add anything to the plot, you could have literally just had them power up and have Freeza destroy his own army in his transformation like in Super, and you would have gotten the same results. The only real thing that I thought was even remotely worthwhile about that fight was Jaco and Kuririn's interactions. Those were great.
While Krillin and Jaco's interactions were fantastic in their own right, every character who participated showed just how much of a fighter each one of them is, there were two factors at play here, opponents in huge number can overpower you if you misstep and none of them were trying to kill any soldiers, as much as they could..
It was fighting while being in full control and that's the best part of this, arguably overshadows the whole movie itself..
I disagree. All the characters really did, was sporadically use there own signature attacks for no reason with little to no effect against a horde of nobodies with no sort of personality. Hell, its not even like they were unique opponents or anything. They were simply the same old brand of Freeza soldier. They weren't even reskinned as something else.

It was just a lot of fairly repetitive and dull fights in quick succession, with no one actually accomplishing or showcasing anything new or interesting in that time(with a few exceptions, like the Jaco/Kuririn stuff).

Also, there is still no reason why that part couldn't have simply just been cut out of the final film.

Also, I think its worth mentioning, that in my opinion, the only half decent, or even remotely watchable fights in that film, were base Goku vs Freeza(the transformed fight was awful), and Vegeta's quick beatdown on Freeza.

All the other fights in the film were not interesting enough to warrant watching.

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Post by emperior » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:45 am

I really hope this time around the henchmen will be more important and most importantly with a personality. I agree about how Freeza's soldiers were useless in the movie, and I actually liked how the anime handled Tagoma.
I'm all for an evil Saiyans team of around 5-6 Saiyans, with their leader being the main antagonist, with maybe one of them turning into an Oozaru so that Piccolo can become a giant to fight it.
This movie has the potential to be incredibly awesome so I hope the script from Toriyama is a good one, as I have been waiting for evil Saiyans since forever and if we actually get ancient evil Saiyans that would be even more badass.
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Post by Super Saiyan Swagger » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:13 am

As much as I enjoyed the Freeza army fight in Resurrection 'F' the first time I watched it, it really was just 10 minutes of poorly directed action scenes piled together with a few highlights here and there. Like JazzMazz said, Base Goku vs Freeza was one of the best looking fights in Resurrection 'F', but even that fight kinda falls flat because neither Goku nor Freeza were actually trying, so it ends up feeling like a waste of time. For a film that's 90 minutes long, you want most of the moments to actually have an impact on the story and get things going. The fight between God Goku and Beerus in Battle of Gods was great because Goku felt conflicted about how he achieved the form and Beerus was training him. Resurrection 'F' didn't have anything meaningful like that. With this new film I'm crossing my fingers that the fights actually have an impact on the story and don't just serve as eye candy.

I'm wondering how this film will be structured. When I first heard that it was going to be a "multi-layered story" I got so excited because that possibly meant that the settings would change a lot during the film. The last two films had this problem where they would just spend way too much time in one place. Battle of God's spent like 40-50 minutes at Capsule Corp and Resurrection 'F' did not want to leave that cliffside near North City. Hopefully we'll see some nice settings on Earth (a glacier location is being pushed a lot in the promo). I'm expecting to see flashbacks of Planet Vegeta and I am praying that we'll finally see Universe 6's Planet Sadala.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:40 am

Seems like I am the proud holder of an unpopular opinion..
The Rof fight was pretty damn good and one of a kind for the series at the time, it was a smart little idea which made possible to include all the relevant z fighters into a plot with a being supposed to give gods trouble, far better than two gods fighting a Freeza out of nowhere and then losing for some reason..

I wouldn't mind a similar approach in this movie..
Or they can decide to go the broly route and have everyone get wreaked.. if possible I would want to avoid such an outcome..
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Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:28 am

Ki Breaker wrote:Seems like I am the proud holder of an unpopular opinion..
The Rof fight was pretty damn good and one of a kind for the series at the time, it was a smart little idea which made possible to include all the relevant z fighters into a plot with a being supposed to give gods trouble, far better than two gods fighting a Freeza out of nowhere and then losing for some reason..

I wouldn't mind a similar approach in this movie..
Or they can decide to go the broly route and have everyone get wreaked.. if possible I would want to avoid such an outcome..
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hell I would like a moment where yamcha gets attacked and he realized he cant ignore combat anymore, forcing him to go on a journey to get back to how he was.

But instead of going down the turtle school route krillin, goku and the others did, he returns to his dessert bandit methods as a sword fighter

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:40 am

I'd rather there be no henchmen or mooks. Surely they could have a way of making others relevant without fighting mooks stalling for Goku to come and save the day! Where they all scream "Goku" collectively with tears of joy.

I really don't trust Toriyama at all. Why my expectations for anyone other than Goku are severely low yes even Vegeta.

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Post by sintzu » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:09 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:My expectations for anyone other than Goku are severely low, yes even Vegeta.
I'm not expecting Vegeta to be the hero or anything but surely he's going to get an epic fight with whoever this saiyan is.
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Post by AnimeNation101 » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:42 pm

I dont expect just one villain or an army of henchmen. I’m expecting a squad of 5 to 7 saiyans as villains with the squad leader being the main villain.
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie. 8)

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Post by Vegeta_Sama » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:05 pm

sintzu wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:My expectations for anyone other than Goku are severely low, yes even Vegeta.
I'm not expecting Vegeta to be the hero or anything but surely he's going to get an epic fight with whoever this saiyan is.
I hope he'll somehow help to defeat him, like 17 and Frieza did with Jiren.
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Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:14 pm

AnimeNation101 wrote:I dont expect just one villain or an army of henchmen. I’m expecting a squad of 5 to 7 saiyans as villains with the squad leader being the main villain.
You get a saiyan! you get a saiyan! You get a Saiyan! Everyone gets their own Saiyan to make a bitch out of!
After how Saiyans have dominated the entire power hierarchy like it's their goddam birthright, this will be a nice change of pace and very welcome..

I am onboard :mrgreen:
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