Slangh wrote:[img]I like how injuries affect the story in DBM, unlike in DBS.
Right? Injuries and stamina actually matter and don't vanish in 2 seconds.
Pfft, what injuries? They just grunted a bit for a few seconds then powered up full again in no time. There haven't been injuries at all on Super, just "oh look at me I'm struggling"
Diccolo-420 wrote:Pfft, what injuries? They just grunted a bit for a few seconds then powered up full again in no time. There haven't been injuries at all on Super, just "oh look at me I'm struggling"
During the Zamasu arc, Goku and Vegeta were stabbed multiple times and just walked it off.
Goku has a freaking hole in his chest, but he's okay.
Diccolo-420 wrote:Pfft, what injuries? They just grunted a bit for a few seconds then powered up full again in no time. There haven't been injuries at all on Super, just "oh look at me I'm struggling"
During the Zamasu arc, Goku and Vegeta were stabbed multiple times and just walked it off.
Goku has a freaking hole in his chest, but he's okay.
Vegeta did not walk it off and Goku got angry at that point. Saiyans are also built for battle.
Diccolo-420 wrote:Pfft, what injuries? They just grunted a bit for a few seconds then powered up full again in no time. There haven't been injuries at all on Super, just "oh look at me I'm struggling"
During the Zamasu arc, Goku and Vegeta were stabbed multiple times and just walked it off.
Goku has a freaking hole in his chest, but he's okay.
Vegeta did not walk it off and Goku got angry at that point. Saiyans are also built for battle.
Even Saiyans can bleed to death. Those images from Super are exactly the thing I was referring to. Back when battle damage and exhaustion were a thing, DB fights were actually interesting. DBS just shrugs it off unless the plot demands otherwise. Fights should influence the plot, not the other way around. DBM has faults too but at least the fights are engaging, which is the only reason it exists anyway.
ZeroNeonix wrote:
During the Zamasu arc, Goku and Vegeta were stabbed multiple times and just walked it off.
Goku has a freaking hole in his chest, but he's okay.
Vegeta did not walk it off and Goku got angry at that point. Saiyans are also built for battle.
Even Saiyans can bleed to death. Those images from Super are exactly the thing I was referring to. Back when battle damage and exhaustion were a thing, DB fights were actually interesting. DBS just shrugs it off unless the plot demands otherwise. Fights should influence the plot, not the other way around. DBM has faults too but at least the fights are engaging, which is the only reason it exists anyway.
Not only where Goku and Vegeta much weaker those attacks were much more devastating.
miguelnuva1 wrote:
Not only where Goku and Vegeta much weaker those attacks were much more devastating.
One theory that could work is that you can stop bleeding with ki, even more so when you have a lot of it. Still, that would make fights boring, with visible injuries never having any effect, only exhaustion of ki.
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Man, it is just me or has Asura art improved in these last two pages? I wish we had that in DBS manga) instead of Tracetaro mess.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
And so Gohan goes to save his wife, which isn't a bad thing. But man, there is another Videl, the Videl your man tells you not to worry about, who could swoop in then and there and save herself. What would U18 Videl think, seeing this stronger her do what she couldn't? Wouldn't matter in the overall story, but still I'd like to see the gears in her head turn from: "My honey saved me!" to "I could be a hero too?" Just my thoughts. Too bad U9 is in the back protecting Raditz and Old Kai.
miguelnuva1 wrote:Vegeta did not walk it off and Goku got angry at that point. Saiyans are also built for battle.
Goku basically does walk it off. After he finishes beating on Zamasu and Black, he just casually walks up to a downed Black with a football sized hole under his heart as though nothing is wrong with him.
With Vegeta, they actually do make the injury matter and show him struggling with it. Goku? He's just acting as though he shouldn't be choking on his own blood.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I always lose interest whenever Universe 19 is in play. I just can't seem to care about them at all. Them and Bojack's crew.
This page is gorgeous, Asura is a very talented artist.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
This page is gorgeous, Asura is a very talented artist.
Just to be clear, is Asura male or female? Does anyone know?
But yeah I agree Asura's great. Just imagine if Asura could produce that quality in a monthly chapter of 45 pages. That would be Heaven