Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[SSJgogeto]

I won't talk about Beyond God here but what about Trunks? I mean, seems like SS Rage have godly ki too.

[AnimeNation101]

I'm saying it's never been mentioned that Jimeze is a Yardrat and we've never seen a Yardrat in the manga, so as far as I know he isn't one. If there are major narrative changes in the manga, why can't a side character's race be changed, especially if it conflicts with continuity.

In this case, you are supposed to put two and two together. One medium (the manga) mentions a race but doesn’t show it. Another version of that medium (the anime) with the same amount of importance mentions and shows the race. That would logically fill in the blanks for the manga which doesn’t show the race unless there is something that would contradict how the race looks in the anime but there isn’t. Otherwise, there would be no reason for the race to differ between mediums.

And the Tuffles’ story was specifically written by Toriyama.

You have given no legitimate reason for why a race cannot change. Should we assume that Vegeta in the anime can use SSG because he used it in the manga?

Because thats like saying Goku can be born a saiyan in the manga and born a human in the anime. As for the Vegeta thing, thats not the same situation as the Yardrat thing. With the Yardrat thing, one medium (the dbs anime) is just filling in the blank for something mentioned by another medium (the db manga). The Vegeta thing is a different case because that involves one medium (DBS Manga) that has many differences from another medium (DBS anime) but both are supposed to be the same story. So you can’t say stuff that happened in solely the DBS Manga have happened or can happen in the DBS Anime because they use different events to tell the same story.

[alakazam^]

The reason why the Yadorat in the Universe 2 team (?) wears clothes similar to Yadorats seen in the anime is probably because he was added there by Toei? I don't remember if there was an information stating that he Toriyama designed him, but probably there isn't. Oh, and obviously, that Yadorat should have come from Universe 6, their appearance may be slightly different because of this too.

Remember that those clothes are from Toriyama, as seen when Goku returned to Earth. They are enough to label him a Yardrat, in my opinion.

[BlueBasilisk]

I won't talk about Beyond God here but what about Trunks? I mean, seems like SS Rage have godly ki too.

The blue part of his aura has the particle effect, so it's possible it does.

[Bergamo]

In this case, you are supposed to put two and two together. One medium (the manga) mentions a race but doesn’t show it. Another version of that medium (the anime) with the same amount of importance mentions and shows the race. That would logically fill in the blanks for the manga which doesn’t show the race unless there is something that would contradict how the race looks in the anime but there isn’t. Otherwise, there would be no reason for the race to differ between mediums.

And the Tuffles’ story was specifically written by Toriyama.

You have given no legitimate reason for why a race cannot change. Should we assume that Vegeta in the anime can use SSG because he used it in the manga?

Because thats like saying Goku can be born a saiyan in the manga and born a human in the anime. As for the Vegeta thing, thats not the same situation as the Yardrat thing. With the Yardrat thing, one medium (the dbs anime) is just filling in the blank for something mentioned by another medium (the db manga). The Vegeta thing is a different case because that involves one medium (DBS Manga) that has many differences from another medium (DBS anime) but both are supposed to be the same story. So you can’t say stuff that happened in solely the DBS Manga have happened or can happen in the DBS Anime because they use different events to tell the same story.

You're not going to convince me. Especially when everything you said supported my point. Different mediums = different details, and you can't say that they "fill in the blank" sometimes but not always. Clearly explain to me how race is different than any other plot point, and I'll admit that you're right.

[Grimlock]

Remember that those clothes are from Toriyama, as seen when Goku returned to Earth. They are enough to label him a Yardrat, in my opinion.

Oh, yeah. I think I didn't say what I wanted to say clearer, sorry. I do think that that character that appeared in Universe Survival saga is indeed a Yadorat due to the clothes. But to be honest, we shouldn't have got to this point, the series should have told us who are the Yadorat and the Tsufurujin and what the heck they were doing in Universe 2 team.

[AnimeNation101]

You have given no legitimate reason for why a race cannot change. Should we assume that Vegeta in the anime can use SSG because he used it in the manga?

Because thats like saying Goku can be born a saiyan in the manga and born a human in the anime. As for the Vegeta thing, thats not the same situation as the Yardrat thing. With the Yardrat thing, one medium (the dbs anime) is just filling in the blank for something mentioned by another medium (the db manga). The Vegeta thing is a different case because that involves one medium (DBS Manga) that has many differences from another medium (DBS anime) but both are supposed to be the same story. So you can’t say stuff that happened in solely the DBS Manga have happened or can happen in the DBS Anime because they use different events to tell the same story.

You're not going to convince me. Especially when everything you said supported my point. Different mediums = different details, and you can't say that they "fill in the blank" sometimes but not always. Clearly explain to me how race is different than any other plot point, and I'll admit that you're right.

1. Its already been stated that was a Yardrat by Goku himself. And nothing has contradicted that statement yet so as far as we all know, its a fact. It was stated in V-Jump, a news outlet for DBS, that there was a Tuffle in the T.o.P. The story of the Tuffles was written by Toriyama. The existence of the Tuffles is a fact.

2. You want to know why a race can’t change? Its more around the question of why would they even need to have the race change. What would it do for the story? The answer is nothing except make plotholes and retcons. You asked “If there are major narrative changes in the manga, why can't a side character's race be changed, especially if it conflicts with continuity?” That doesn’t make sense considering the fact of Jimeze being a Yardrat doesn’t conflict with continuity at all.

Thats all you need to know.

[Bergamo]

Because thats like saying Goku can be born a saiyan in the manga and born a human in the anime. As for the Vegeta thing, thats not the same situation as the Yardrat thing. With the Yardrat thing, one medium (the dbs anime) is just filling in the blank for something mentioned by another medium (the db manga). The Vegeta thing is a different case because that involves one medium (DBS Manga) that has many differences from another medium (DBS anime) but both are supposed to be the same story. So you can’t say stuff that happened in solely the DBS Manga have happened or can happen in the DBS Anime because they use different events to tell the same story.

You're not going to convince me. Especially when everything you said supported my point. Different mediums = different details, and you can't say that they "fill in the blank" sometimes but not always. Clearly explain to me how race is different than any other plot point, and I'll admit that you're right.

1. Its already been stated that was a Yardrat by Goku himself. And nothing has contradicted that statement yet so as far as we all know, its a fact. It was stated in V-Jump, a news outlet for DBS, that there was a Tuffle in the T.o.P. The story of the Tuffles was written by Toriyama. The existence of the Tuffles is a fact.

2. You want to know why a race can’t change? Its more around the question of why would they even need to have the race change. What would it do for the story? The answer is nothing except make plotholes and retcons. You asked “If there are major narrative changes in the manga, why can't a side character's race be changed, especially if it conflicts with continuity?” That doesn’t make sense considering the fact of Jimeze being a Yardrat doesn’t conflict with continuity at all.

Thats all you need to know.

The tuffles designed by Toriyama are tiny people that look just like humans. The tuffle designed by toei is average size and orange. How do you explain that?

[AnimeNation101]

You're not going to convince me. Especially when everything you said supported my point. Different mediums = different details, and you can't say that they "fill in the blank" sometimes but not always. Clearly explain to me how race is different than any other plot point, and I'll admit that you're right.

1. Its already been stated that was a Yardrat by Goku himself. And nothing has contradicted that statement yet so as far as we all know, its a fact. It was stated in V-Jump, a news outlet for DBS, that there was a Tuffle in the T.o.P. The story of the Tuffles was written by Toriyama. The existence of the Tuffles is a fact.

2. You want to know why a race can’t change? Its more around the question of why would they even need to have the race change. What would it do for the story? The answer is nothing except make plotholes and retcons. You asked “If there are major narrative changes in the manga, why can't a side character's race be changed, especially if it conflicts with continuity?” That doesn’t make sense considering the fact of Jimeze being a Yardrat doesn’t conflict with continuity at all.

Thats all you need to know.

The tuffles designed by Toriyama are tiny people that look just like humans. The tuffle designed by toei is average size and orange. How do you explain that?

And who said the Tuffle was designed by Toei? Toyotaro and Toriyama did all the designs for the T.o.P fighters. Don’t pull false stuff out of the hat to try and make a point.

[Bergamo]

1. Its already been stated that was a Yardrat by Goku himself. And nothing has contradicted that statement yet so as far as we all know, its a fact. It was stated in V-Jump, a news outlet for DBS, that there was a Tuffle in the T.o.P. The story of the Tuffles was written by Toriyama. The existence of the Tuffles is a fact.

2. You want to know why a race can’t change? Its more around the question of why would they even need to have the race change. What would it do for the story? The answer is nothing except make plotholes and retcons. You asked “If there are major narrative changes in the manga, why can't a side character's race be changed, especially if it conflicts with continuity?” That doesn’t make sense considering the fact of Jimeze being a Yardrat doesn’t conflict with continuity at all.

Thats all you need to know.

The tuffles designed by Toriyama are tiny people that look just like humans. The tuffle designed by toei is average size and orange. How do you explain that?

And who said the Tuffle was designed by Toei? Toyotaro and Toriyama did all the designs for the T.o.P fighters. Don’t pull false stuff out of the hat to try and make a point.

Toriyama and Toyotaro designed the Gods of Destruction while Toei and Toriyama designed the fighters. This was stated in interviews.

[WittyUsername]

The tuffles designed by Toriyama are tiny people that look just like humans. The tuffle designed by toei is average size and orange. How do you explain that?

And who said the Tuffle was designed by Toei? Toyotaro and Toriyama did all the designs for the T.o.P fighters. Don’t pull false stuff out of the hat to try and make a point.

Toriyama and Toyotaro designed the Gods of Destruction while Toei and Toriyama designed the fighters. This was stated in interviews.

It seems odd that Toei would choose to design a Tuffle in DBS as an orange person, when they previously designed them as being identical to Earthlings.

[Bergamo]

And who said the Tuffle was designed by Toei? Toyotaro and Toriyama did all the designs for the T.o.P fighters. Don’t pull false stuff out of the hat to try and make a point.

Toriyama and Toyotaro designed the Gods of Destruction while Toei and Toriyama designed the fighters. This was stated in interviews.

It seems odd that Toei would choose to design a Tuffle in DBS as an orange person, when they previously designed them as being identical to Earthlings.

This is why I maintain that in the manga he's a random alien race and that the Tuffle business is just Toei's buffoonery.

[alakazam^]

This is why I maintain that in the manga he's a random alien race and that the Tuffle business is just Toei's buffoonery.

This doesn't make sense.

The only mention of that race was in the magazine, watching the anime we'd be none the wiser. If, in fact, that information is true, it'd be the same in both manga and anime since there's no reason to have several new characters and give one of them a known race and not do anything with it. If Toei didn't even address it, it most likely came from Toyotarou.

It seems odd that Toei would choose to design a Tuffle in DBS as an orange person, when they previously designed them as being identical to Earthlings.

We don't know who he is.

[Dbzfan94]

Does it really matter if the whole Tuffle story is canon or not?

This fandom's over obbessession with whats "canon" and what's not and everything "non-canon" = shit needs to stop.

[Bergamo]

Does it really matter if the whole Tuffle story is canon or not?

This fandom's over obbessession with whats "canon" and what's not and everything "non-canon" = shit needs to stop.

Personally, I haven't watched GT or the DBZ anime(why watch the anime and read the manga), so as a result I don't really know what a Tuffle is. I think it would be dumb if a large part of the new movie centered around a race that I don't know about because I haven't watched all of the filler episodes and seen all of the Toriyama interviews.

[AnimeNation101]

The tuffles designed by Toriyama are tiny people that look just like humans. The tuffle designed by toei is average size and orange. How do you explain that?

And who said the Tuffle was designed by Toei? Toyotaro and Toriyama did all the designs for the T.o.P fighters. Don’t pull false stuff out of the hat to try and make a point.

Toriyama and Toyotaro designed the Gods of Destruction while Toei and Toriyama designed the fighters. This was stated in interviews.

LINK ME THE INTERVIEW.

[AnimeNation101]

Does it really matter if the whole Tuffle story is canon or not?

This fandom's over obbessession with whats "canon" and what's not and everything "non-canon" = shit needs to stop.

Personally, I haven't watched GT or the DBZ anime(why watch the anime and read the manga), so as a result I don't really know what a Tuffle is. I think it would be dumb if a large part of the new movie centered around a race that I don't know about because I haven't watched all of the filler episodes and seen all of the Toriyama interviews.

Well, its a Toriyama written story so it happened in the same continuity as the db manga

[WittyUsername]

We don't know who he is.

Wasn’t it officially stated somewhere that Zarbuto is in fact a Tuffle?

[AnimeNation101]

We don't know who he is.

Wasn’t it officially stated somewhere that Zarbuto is in fact a Tuffle?

Yeah.

[WittyUsername]

We don't know who he is.

Wasn’t it officially stated somewhere that Zarbuto is in fact a Tuffle?

Yeah.

Then if Toei were the ones who designed him, I have no idea why they would decide to make him orange. Then again, even Earth in the Dragon Ball universe has (or used to have) talking animals and other unusual looking individuals.