Y’know... I don’t get Toei/Toriyama/Toyotaro’s decisions at times.

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Post by PFM18 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:53 pm

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sintzu wrote:The difference is that Bardock was a good character. Broly on the other hand...let's just say there's no way but up to go.
Good character or not, is not like Toriyama can magically improve his character just because he's the author of the series.
I mean yeah he can. Just change the character entirely but keep the name and appearance the same. Completely different backstory, no crazy dad, no insane motives for hating Goku, and any capability for dialogue of any kind.

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Post by Cetra » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:54 pm

I swear the internet is like this right now:

Toei: Send Broly.

*Broly has entered the server*
Broly: It's Broly time!
*Made up Canonicity rules-fans have left the server*
Broly: Puny fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdtI_DZrac
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Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:00 pm

Cetra wrote:I swear the internet is like this right now:

Toei: Send Broly.

*Broly has entered the server*
*Made up Canonicity rules-fans have left the server*
Broly: Puny fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdtI_DZrac
If this is true (I don't think it's 100% yet) then all those canon debates are out the window. When I said no one has to say what's canon for us to know this is exactly what I meant. Good luck arguing canon for Toei's Broly or anything else they did in those movies and even GT now that this is (maybe) a thing.
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Post by jeffbr92 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:02 pm

https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 4327218177

There's the unfortunate confirmation
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Post by Cetra » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:03 pm

sintzu wrote:
Cetra wrote:I swear the internet is like this right now:

Toei: Send Broly.

*Broly has entered the server*
*Made up Canonicity rules-fans have left the server*
Broly: Puny fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdtI_DZrac
If this is true (I don't think it's 100% yet) then all those canon debates are out the window. When I said no one has to say what's canon for us to know this is exactly what I meant. Good luck arguing canon for Toei's Broly or anything else they did in those movies and even GT now that this is (maybe) a thing.
It is no problem for someone to argue canonicity if someone actually argues while knowing what it means and not the 99,9999% of stuff that happens here, like "its the same no matter the inconsistencies" or "they are both part of two different guidelines"- Because canons are scales/guidelines and can exist in multiple versions, et cetera. The options are broad.
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Post by Basaku » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:05 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 4327218177

There's the unfortunate confirmation
Still a bit shocked lol. All this hype and mystery... and it's Broly :lol:

EDIT: Twitter delivers :lol:

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Post by Cetra » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:06 pm

Well, the announcement sounds like a different Broly. But let's wait for more info.
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Post by jeffbr92 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:08 pm

Cetra wrote:Well, the announcement sounds like a different Broly. But let's wait for more info.
If it still voiced by Bin Shimada, I'll try to be fine with it.
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Post by dbgtFO » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:09 pm

This decision by Toriyama and Toei is definitely understandable.
And now with a reboot of Broly's character it means he might be a little different than the original version.
I'm so excited!

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Post by Cetra » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:11 pm

But they are talking of a copy. This is weird? Like Bio Broly? But even then it could be a reference to the old Broly because to have a copy they have to refer to an original. Except they mean the copy in a meta-meaning like "other version" since it can be a reboot.
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Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:11 pm

Broly wrecking 2 SsjBs only for Goku to re-awake UI and rip him apart ? That's how you get butts in seats.
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Post by Lord Frieza » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:12 pm

So... Broly... well... I... thats... hmmmm…

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Post by Yuli Ban » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:13 pm

http://www.dbmovie-20th.com/

Even the site itself. It is confirmed 100%.
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Post by Basaku » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:14 pm

Toriyama on Broly from official website:

Everyone, are you familiar with Broly?

He's an incredibly strong Saiyan who only appeared in the old anime movies, and I apparently at least drew the designs for him, but I had practically no involvement with the anime at the time, so I had totally forgotten about the story content.

So, about Broly. I hear these days, he's still very popular not only in Japan, but also overseas. Based on that, my editor suggested we have Broly appear in this next movie.

I went ahead and watched the movies from back then, and I felt this could be quite interesting once I rearrange some things. I got right to work trying my hand at a story that incorporates him into the Dragon Ball Super series.

While keeping in mind Broly's classic image so as not to disappoint his fans, I updated him and added a new side to his character, and I think this has resulted in a more fascinating Broly.

Naturally you’ll get to see fierce combat, but also, the paths of destiny that lead to an encounter between Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. It also involves the Frieza Force and the history of the Saiyans, which end up having a major connection to everything. The story content turns out to be very large-scale and dramatic.

Here comes that almighty Saiyan, Broly! I'm also including lots of other content all you fans will enjoy, so look forward to it, and be patient a while longer for it all to come together!!

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Post by Cetra » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:15 pm

This whole copy thing is so weird right now. I think at best it is meant as a clone, which would be fine for me because it would still be a tie-in but still quite sad because it is a new Broly nonetheless only regarding to be another clone of the original and at worst it is a reboot and that's what they mean. I mean, I guess both would be fine somewhat. We'll see.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:15 pm

Battle of Gods should've bombed.
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Post by Cetra » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:16 pm

Basaku wrote:Toriyama on Broly from official website:

Everyone, are you familiar with Broly?

He's an incredibly strong Saiyan who only appeared in the old anime movies, and I apparently at least drew the designs for him, but I had practically no involvement with the anime at the time, so I had totally forgotten about the story content.

So, about Broly. I hear these days, he's still very popular not only in Japan, but also overseas. Based on that, my editor suggested we have Broly appear in this next movie.

I went ahead and watched the movies from back then, and I felt this could be quite interesting once I rearrange some things. I got right to work trying my hand at a story that incorporates him into the Dragon Ball Super series.

While keeping in mind Broly's classic image so as not to disappoint his fans, I updated him and added a new side to his character, and I think this has resulted in a more fascinating Broly.

Naturally you’ll get to see fierce combat, but also, the paths of destiny that lead to an encounter between Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. It also involves the Frieza Force and the history of the Saiyans, which end up having a major connection to everything. The story content turns out to be very large-scale and dramatic.

Here comes that almighty Saiyan, Broly! I'm also including lots of other content all you fans will enjoy, so look forward to it, and be patient a while longer for it all to come together!!
Okay, sounds like a reboot. Sounds.
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Post by Doctor. » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:16 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Battle of Gods should've bombed.
But it's, like, the seventh chance to do Broly right. Whatever could go wrong?

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Post by PFM18 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:18 pm

Basaku wrote:Toriyama on Broly from official website:

Everyone, are you familiar with Broly?

He's an incredibly strong Saiyan who only appeared in the old anime movies, and I apparently at least drew the designs for him, but I had practically no involvement with the anime at the time, so I had totally forgotten about the story content.

So, about Broly. I hear these days, he's still very popular not only in Japan, but also overseas. Based on that, my editor suggested we have Broly appear in this next movie.

I went ahead and watched the movies from back then, and I felt this could be quite interesting once I rearrange some things. I got right to work trying my hand at a story that incorporates him into the Dragon Ball Super series.

While keeping in mind Broly's classic image so as not to disappoint his fans, I updated him and added a new side to his character, and I think this has resulted in a more fascinating Broly.

Naturally you’ll get to see fierce combat, but also, the paths of destiny that lead to an encounter between Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. It also involves the Frieza Force and the history of the Saiyans, which end up having a major connection to everything. The story content turns out to be very large-scale and dramatic.

Here comes that almighty Saiyan, Broly! I'm also including lots of other content all you fans will enjoy, so look forward to it, and be patient a while longer for it all to come together!!
"could be quite interesting once I rearrange some things"

"I updated him and added a new side to his character"

This doesn't sound like enough changes to the character to me
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ekrolo2 wrote:Battle of Gods should've bombed.
But it's, like, the seventh chance to do Broly right. Whatever could go wrong?
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Post by jeffbr92 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:19 pm

Basaku wrote:Toriyama on Broly from official website:
[spoiler]Everyone, are you familiar with Broly?

He's an incredibly strong Saiyan who only appeared in the old anime movies, and I apparently at least drew the designs for him, but I had practically no involvement with the anime at the time, so I had totally forgotten about the story content.

So, about Broly. I hear these days, he's still very popular not only in Japan, but also overseas. Based on that, my editor suggested we have Broly appear in this next movie.

I went ahead and watched the movies from back then, and I felt this could be quite interesting once I rearrange some things. I got right to work trying my hand at a story that incorporates him into the Dragon Ball Super series.

While keeping in mind Broly's classic image so as not to disappoint his fans, I updated him and added a new side to his character, and I think this has resulted in a more fascinating Broly.

Naturally you’ll get to see fierce combat, but also, the paths of destiny that lead to an encounter between Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. It also involves the Frieza Force and the history of the Saiyans, which end up having a major connection to everything. The story content turns out to be very large-scale and dramatic.

Here comes that almighty Saiyan, Broly! I'm also including lots of other content all you fans will enjoy, so look forward to it, and be patient a while longer for it all to come together!![/spoiler]
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sintzu wrote:Broly wrecking 2 SsjBs only for Goku to re-awake UI and rip him apart ? That's how you get butts in seats.
So basically Movie 8 all over again? lol
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