Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[BlueBasilisk]

The guy in the original teaser doesn't seem to have a scar in the close-up.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Looking at Broly's art on the poster, we should be able to at least see the tip of it on his cheek. Maybe we do have more than one Saiyan here? Paragus' VA strongly suggests he could be in the movie too and if he also gets rebooted, there's no telling what he could be like.

[majinwarman]

The guy in the original teaser doesn't seem to have a scar in the close-up.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Looking at Broly's art on the poster, we should be able to at least see the tip of it on his cheek. Maybe we do have more than one Saiyan here? Paragus' VA strongly suggests he could be in the movie too and if he also gets rebooted, there's no telling what he could be like.

I think that it has been confirmed that Paragus will be in the new movie as well.

[Champa The Destroyer]

When you think DBS can't get any worse.

Broly is coming.

When you think GT can't get any worse.

"Super" 17 is coming.










Honestly I have mixed feelings about this. I think that Toriyama has a chance to make Broly an interesting character, but if he's anything like current Broly then it will be terrible. Plus the name "Dragon Ball Super: Broly" is a terrible name and is easily the worst title out of all the Dragon Ball films.

Arcs of Android 17 being main villain: 0
Movies of Android 17 being main villain: 0
Android 17 copies in GT: 0
Super 17's apperance in games: mediocre

Arcs of Broly being main villain: 0
Movies of Broly being main villain: 5 (including 4D)
Broly copies in DBS: 1
Broly's appearance in games: every possible game, even Attack on Saiyans

See difference?

Arcs of Android 17 being the main villain: He's the main villain of the Super 17 Arc. Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu created the problem, but 17 is the character the protagonists have to defeat. Examples of similar situations are Dr. Gero creating the Androids, but the Androids themselves and Cell being the main villains of the Cell Arc, or Zeno being the one who created the Tournament of Power, but Jiren being the main antagonist.

Android 17 copies in GT: Hell Fighter 17 was literally just 17 but a Machine Mutant, there was little to no difference between him and actual 17.

How are 17's appearances in the games mediocre?

Movies of Broly being the main villain: Bio-Broly was so different from Broly that I dont know how he can be considered Broly. His name may be Bio-Broly, but he has none of the traits of Broly once he becomes the sludge stuff, and wasn't 4-D practically just a big commercial? If we're regarding it as an actual movie then is SS4 Goku is becoming overexposed because of his appearance in Super Dragon Ball Heroes?


Kale may have the same transformation (or extremely similar, technically different name though) and the "Son Goku!!" but she is personality-wise very different from Broly. Broly was almost completely silent the entire film, only getting angry whenever he saw Goku, because Goku cried as a baby, I guess. Kale is shy, but in no way completely silent, and she only gets angry at Goku when Caulifla pretty much starts ignoring her because of Goku. Kale as of Episode 100 could be argued to be a Broly copy, but there's literally 16 more episodes after that, and many of them forming Kale into her own character. Dismissing her as a complete Broly copy is ignoring over half of the episodes she's in.



I do agree that Broly is really overexposed in the games (and overpowered).

[PFM18]

You know I do hope we see Broly vs Kale in this movie.

I just want to see the U6 Saiyans in general. Especially Cabba. I love the Vegeta and Cabba interactions they are amazing

[Saturnine]

I'm kinda stoked for the movie actually. Broly is a horrible character whose popularity I'll never understand, nor will I why he gets crammed into every game possible. But this new, canon Broly has the potential to be a much more interesting entity. I'm kinda excited to find out how he relates to Kale (or she to him).

There's also great potential for severe butthurt on part of the Brolytards if this, real Broly that counts, disappoints them in some way (for example his muscles are not as big or he can actually form coherent dialogue). Then we'll be able to call the other Broly "Filler Broly" just because we can!

It's also fascinating to ponder whether Dragon Ball Wiki will have the balls to create two separate pages for the two Brolys. This is where their forced reconciliation of everything has to fall apart.

[sunsetshimmer]

Arcs of Android 17 being the main villain: He's the main villain of the Super 17 Arc. Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu created the problem, but 17 is the character the protagonists have to defeat. Examples of similar situations are Dr. Gero creating the Androids, but the Androids themselves and Cell being the main villains of the Cell Arc, or Zeno being the one who created the Tournament of Power, but Jiren being the main antagonist.

Android 17 copies in GT: Hell Fighter 17 was literally just 17 but a Machine Mutant, there was little to no difference between him and actual 17.

How are 17's appearances in the games mediocre?

Movies of Broly being the main villain: Bio-Broly was so different from Broly that I dont know how he can be considered Broly. His name may be Bio-Broly, but he has none of the traits of Broly once he becomes the sludge stuff, and wasn't 4-D practically just a big commercial? If we're regarding it as an actual movie then is SS4 Goku is becoming overexposed because of his appearance in Super Dragon Ball Heroes?


Kale may have the same transformation (or extremely similar, technically different name though) and the "Son Goku!!" but she is personality-wise very different from Broly. Broly was almost completely silent the entire film, only getting angry whenever he saw Goku, because Goku cried as a baby, I guess. Kale is shy, but in no way completely silent, and she only gets angry at Goku when Caulifla pretty much starts ignoring her because of Goku. Kale as of Episode 100 could be argued to be a Broly copy, but there's literally 16 more episodes after that, and many of them forming Kale into her own character. Dismissing her as a complete Broly copy is ignoring over half of the episodes she's in.



I do agree that Broly is really overexposed in the games (and overpowered).

I meant 17 being main villain before Super 17. My mistake.

Hell Fighter 17 was part of story and was 17's clone, not fanservice ripoff. That's a difference. He didn't pretend to be new character like Kale.

Super 17 isn't in many games. Outside of Heroes, he was in Budokai Tenkaichi series, Infinite World and Xenoverse. And i think that's it?

Bio-Broly still looked like Broly and was meant to be Broly's clone and what matters most, film was advertised as Broly.
It doesn't matter if he was real Broly or not. What matters is a fact that they made a third movie to grab more cash on the same damn character.
Now DBS is making fourth (fifth if we count that 4D).

No, Kale is Broly. Simple as that. She was meant to be trash Broly ripoff from the very beginning. ToP arc was already advertised by her appearance. She appeared in her Broly form in commercial. That isn't inspiration. That's isn't reference. Honsetly, that isn't even ripoff. That is Broly with lipstick andn nothing more. No one ever cared about her controlled form or base form. Her manga self might be different thing, but her anime self is female Broly.

[Alruneia]

I think that it has been confirmed that Paragus will be in the new movie as well.

Not exactly, but it's been noted that Paragus' VA is listed on the poster. He doesn't have to be playing Paragus specifically, though there's certainly a chance he will.

[Charlie_1981]

No, Kale is Broly. Simple as that. She was meant to be trash Broly ripoff from the very beginning. ToP arc was already advertised by her appearance. She appeared in her Broly form in commercial. That isn't inspiration. That's isn't reference. Honsetly, that isn't even ripoff. That is Broly with lipstick andn nothing more. No one ever cared about her controlled form or base form. Her manga self might be different thing, but her anime self is female Broly.

This is just, your opinion, not the general one that I think it's pretty different. She was created to be a female Broly, but clearly she is her own character though the anime don't give too much justice (because of the dependance from Caulifla and her extreme shyness) of what the manga is doing last month.

[jeffbr92]

I want Broly to be at his own, so I don't like the possibility of Paragus being on the movie, but seeing how Toriyama like to come up with duos to tell his story then there's no much to do

[Saturnine]

No, Kale is Broly. Simple as that. She was meant to be trash Broly ripoff from the very beginning. ToP arc was already advertised by her appearance. She appeared in her Broly form in commercial. That isn't inspiration. That's isn't reference. Honsetly, that isn't even ripoff. That is Broly with lipstick andn nothing more. No one ever cared about her controlled form or base form. Her manga self might be different thing, but her anime self is female Broly.

Speak for yourself. I actually do care for Kale's perfected form, because it makes a point out of the fact that more muscles and raaaawr kakarot doesn't always mean better.

[STH]

By the way, your signature is so true. I like it
Can I copy?

Why not?

Is a way of life.

Thank you

[CriticalThinker]

Thinking about another reason why I'm not excited for Broly coming back is because we just had an arc with an antagonist who was super muscular and the only thing they had going for them was how strong they were, aka Jiren. I really hope that this version of Broly has more going for him than just being super strong. Whenever Dragon ball comes back after the movie wether it be a continuation of super or a new show all together I hope they focus on fresh aspects. No more new saiyans coming back, no more rehashing older villains, etc, just please focus on something new. As much as I like Dragon Ball it kills me how uncreative it can be sometimes.

[PFM18]

Thinking about another reason why I'm not excited for Broly coming back is because we just had an arc with an antagonist who was super muscular and the only thing they had going for them was how strong they were, aka Jiren. I really hope that this version of Broly has more going for him than just being super strong. Whenever Dragon ball comes back after the movie wether it be a continuation of super or a new show all together I hope they focus on fresh aspects. No more new saiyans coming back, no more rehashing older villains, etc, just please focus on something new. As much as I like Dragon Ball it kills me how uncreative it can be sometimes.

I mean Jiren ended up having a character it just didn't show until it was too late.

This Broly outside of the aesthetics and the name is essentially a blank slate and Toriyama can go anywhere with the character.

[Charlie_1981]

Thinking about another reason why I'm not excited for Broly coming back is because we just had an arc with an antagonist who was super muscular and the only thing they had going for them was how strong they were, aka Jiren. I really hope that this version of Broly has more going for him than just being super strong. Whenever Dragon ball comes back after the movie wether it be a continuation of super or a new show all together I hope they focus on fresh aspects. No more new saiyans coming back, no more rehashing older villains, etc, just please focus on something new. As much as I like Dragon Ball it kills me how uncreative it can be sometimes.

If Dragon Ball super is back, I have the feeling that in the first episodes we are going to have the same story as this movie being retold like what happened with Battle of the Gods and Resurrection of F.

[Melkaniator]

He's too popular to kill off now.

I thought everyone here knew death is a joke in DB.

what do you think of the character art on the film poster? I think its at least massively better than the posters we got for ROF and BOG.

The new poster looks good, but the BoG and RoF posters at least had more characters in it.

Maybe the other "heroes" won't go to that planet, but we know there are more characters in it anyway.

I prefer how Takahashi does hair and faces, but I still think the poster looks good.

Let me get this straight...The whiners are telling me they don't want a overpowered behemoth in a show that's all about battle?

The "overpowered behemoth" bit is not the issue with me, and doesn't seem to be the issue with the others either.

Overused and recycled, that's more the issue with me.

[Lord Frieza]

The guy in the original teaser doesn't seem to have a scar in the close-up.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Looking at Broly's art on the poster, we should be able to at least see the tip of it on his cheek. Maybe we do have more than one Saiyan here? Paragus' VA strongly suggests he could be in the movie too and if he also gets rebooted, there's no telling what he could be like.

my theory is that the story will kick off with us getting a history of the saiyans from two perspectives. Goku will start wondering about ss and this will lead to Vegeta telling him his understanding of saiyan history. Mean while Frieza has also taken a greater intreast in the same subject becuase of all that happened to him and sends teams of to dig up what they can. Saiyans my be long gone but they were a space fairing race who moved planets so their must be some records of their history out there. Through the two we learn both the legends and truths of saiyan history intermingled with flashbacks and Frieza's team doing research. This eventually leads them to discover the remains of Broly, Legendery Super Saiyan and potential progenitor of S-Cells. Either they take it back to Frieza or they seek to make a weapon for their own ends, either way the legendery monster is reborn through modern technology. During his rebirth we see Broly's memories of the past and we continue to get little flash backs as we follow him through the story.

Edit: think a fusion of all his last three films start ups, Legendery saiyan, frozen in ice, cloned/resurected.

[Marlowe89]

Also, for reference, what do you think of the character art on the film poster? I think its at least massively better than the posters we got for ROF and BOG.

I know this question wasn't specifically aimed at me, but I'd like to throw in my two pennies:

Shintani's character art is fantastic, but the overall composition leaves quite a bit to be desired. It's mainly just Goku and Vegeta screaming with Broly taking a super generic back-turned pose behind them as well as a Saiyan pod throttling off in the distance. Somehow, it feels like a poster I've already seen a thousand times even outside of the franchise. Can't say I'm that big on it, honestly.

Battle of Gods is still my favorite poster out of the new movies, largely thanks to the background image of Whis mysteriously descending from the heavens. It has a divine-esque feel to it that really fits the tone of the film.

[mecha3000]

Not that anyone cares, but I'm just here to say I'm actually satisfied with the Broly reveal. Once again (like when Kale was revealed), this shows that no matter how much some of you purists think you know or control Dragon Ball, you don't. No one does. Only Toei and Toriyama. I recall so many fans saying, "Broly will never return or shouldn't return. He's not canon, so forget it". Well, he's pretty much canon now depending on your definition of the term, and I'm just relishing it. I don't even love Broly, but I still enjoy his character as part of the DB universe and get annoyed at how he suddenly became the villain to hate on (for good reason, but still it gets annoying. We know his motivation sucks. Get over it and just enjoy him for what he is). And I know this will be a retcon version of Broly so the old one is irrelevant now to much of the fanbase, but the fact remains: So many of you claimed you didn't want to see Broly again. Well, you're not Toriyama.

I'll admit this post is kind of a form of venting for me and I do come off as an asshole, but it's just because I've grown tired of the toxic nature of the fandom in recent years. I know every fandom has a toxic nature to it, but DB especially so due to the PURIST VS CASUAL mentality of the fanbase and how Funimation divided the casuals from Toei's purist fans. However, I find myself connecting more with the casuals because they're less toxic about how they view the fanbase, at least in my encounters. The casuals know how to have fun with DB while CERTAIN purists make it seem like Game of Thrones with their superiority complex in how they view the franchise.

To end on a more positive note, Super has done a good job of uniting the purist and casuals more due to the sub being available during its run and how many fans now understand how DB is supposed to be. Hopefully, we all end up enjoying Tori-Broli. Also, I guess with this movie being revealed to be about Broly - Maybe, I'll actually pay to go see the remastered original Broly movie in theaters this fall. Then again, a fan might yell MY POWER IS MAXIMUM every two seconds in a cringey manner so nevermind (Casuals can get annoying too). I'll definitely watch the other movies to prepare for the new version.

[Basaku]

Also, for reference, what do you think of the character art on the film poster? I think its at least massively better than the posters we got for ROF and BOG.

I know this question wasn't specifically aimed at me, but I'd like to throw in my two pennies:

Shintani's character art is fantastic, but the overall composition leaves quite a bit to be desired. It's mainly just Goku and Vegeta screaming with Broly taking a super generic back-turned pose behind them as well as a Saiyan pod throttling off in the distance. Somehow, it feels like a poster I've already seen a thousand times even outside of the franchise. Can't say I'm that big on it, honestly.

Battle of Gods is still my favorite poster out of the new movies, largely thanks to the background image of Whis mysteriously descending from the heavens. It has a divine-esque feel to it that really fits the tone of the film.

Pretty much. Not like BOG/ROF posters were anything to rave about, but this ain't too hot either. May as well be VHS cover for an old DB movie. Rather dated/banal/overplayed composition, effects and general styling. DB franchise has so much iconic symbolism, imaginery and shapes I wish we got a more creative poster for once.

[Dragono]

Thinking about another reason why I'm not excited for Broly coming back is because we just had an arc with an antagonist who was super muscular and the only thing they had going for them was how strong they were, aka Jiren. I really hope that this version of Broly has more going for him than just being super strong. Whenever Dragon ball comes back after the movie wether it be a continuation of super or a new show all together I hope they focus on fresh aspects. No more new saiyans coming back, no more rehashing older villains, etc, just please focus on something new. As much as I like Dragon Ball it kills me how uncreative it can be sometimes.

For dragon ball to take a new direction, there must be a marketing benefit for it. Dragon ball did not come back to tell a story, its about the money. Whether you like it or not.


when Rof made more money than BoG. It sent a pretty clear message to the marketers.