Remastered DVD's VS Dragon Box quality comparison thread

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:21 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:I'm not going to lie, in the case of the eyecatchers Funi wins that round.

They do? Please eloborate!

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:26 pm

Well maybe in his opinion, and mine as well, the FUNimation color in the background is better. Just because overall you like the Dragon Box more doesn't mean that everything about it is perfect and better. It's impossible to like every single little aspect of it unbiased.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:27 pm

SSJToreto wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I'm not going to lie, in the case of the eyecatchers Funi wins that round.
They do? Please eloborate!

Well of course that is only my opinion and I do like the Dragonbox better as a whole but that certain part looks way too foggy and uncrisp. Funi seemed to make it way more crisp and polished.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:32 pm

Like overall, I think the picture quality of the Dragon Box is miles and miles far more advanced than FUNimation's. But still, in my opinion, sometimes the colors on FUNimation's look right.

I just have a question about the colors, and before anyone starts anything up, I want to let everyone know that I'm not being critical, I'm just asking. Is that really the way it was meant to be seen? It's not only FUNimation whose colors are that way. I've seen the Spanish version of Dragon Ball Z (NOT FUNimation's version on Ultimate Uncut lol I'm talking on Telemundo way back when Ocean was still doing the Saiyan Saga). I've seen clips from DBZ from some other countries too. On video games and everything, the colors look like FUNimation's colors. I mean look at even the games, whether it was the old ones with the animation openers, or the newer games with the graphic openers, the colors look like FUNimation's. So what could be the story with that? I understand the original cels have the Dragon Box colors, but why would everything else be changed? It's a mystery to me.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:45 pm

In motion Funimation's eye-catcher looks like garbage.

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:23 pm

Some picture's I found.

FUNi remastered

FUNi remastered Season 3

Dragon Box

These were not taken by me BTW, but look at the colour difference, you can clearly see FUNimation is not even close with the colours.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:27 pm

lol HAHAHA Damn that must've been hard to capture at the right time. WOW. That's pretty bad. But not the worst of it. There's one in Season 3 where the planet is shaking and Super Saiyan Goku's face kept flashing between lines and no lines. Geez, how could that have even happened?

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:29 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:lol HAHAHA Damn that must've been hard to capture at the right time. WOW. That's pretty bad. But not the worst of it. There's one in Season 3 where the planet is shaking and Super Saiyan Goku's face kept flashing between lines and no lines. Geez, how could that have even happened?

I edited my post, check out the colours.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:39 pm

I see. It looks basically like FUNimation's colors are brighter and other than that...well...I guess less tint? lol I don't understand just what kind of an editing process could've let the picture lose lines. It boggles me. Didn't they like...check the show before releasing it on DVD? Man, the sadness.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:43 pm

SSJToreto wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I'm not going to lie, in the case of the eyecatchers Funi wins that round.
They do? Please eloborate!

Eyecatches are inconsistent throughout the entire series. Some episodes have very bright white backgrounds that are very sharp. Some actually have some blur with some green haze in them. Just depends on which episode you catch them on.

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:44 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:I see. It looks basically like FUNimation's colors are brighter and other than that...well...I guess less tint? lol I don't understand just what kind of an editing process could've let the picture lose lines. It boggles me. Didn't they like...check the show before releasing it on DVD? Man, the sadness.

It's because funi decided to clean the film of "video noice" aka the grain. That caused the final product to loose lines like that.

Why do you think DBox has video grain? To make the show look older? Not really. To preserve a quality picture.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:53 pm

Well it has considerably much less grain than the FUNimation singles anyway. I believe that film that old would have tons of grain on it. I mean I own the Batman DVDs and there's grain on those too. It's natural. But obviously the Dragon Box's way of remastering the series beats FUNimation's ass. Now if only Dragon Box would include FUNimation's side footage that they're so proud of. Imagine having full vertical picture and the side footage. That would be one cool release really.

Also, can someone answer my question about the colors? As I said before, I realize that the Dragon Box uses the original cel colors. But as a kid, I've seen may Dragon Ball Z in my day. FUNimation's, the Spanish one on Telemundo (it came uncut with scenes never seen on the Ocean dub Saiyan/Namek Saga version). I've downloaded tons of Japanese DBZ in my day too, whic is how I saw most of the series. Even on all the video games, the colors are pretty much how FUNimation presented them. So my question is, how is it that every single source that provided Dragon Ball Z was not true to the colors?

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:59 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Well it has considerably much less grain than the FUNimation singles anyway. I believe that film that old would have tons of grain on it. I mean I own the Batman DVDs and there's grain on those too. It's natural. But obviously the Dragon Box's way of remastering the series beats FUNimation's ass. Now if only Dragon Box would include FUNimation's side footage that they're so proud of. Imagine having full vertical picture and the side footage. That would be one cool release really.

Also, can someone answer my question about the colors? As I said before, I realize that the Dragon Box uses the original cel colors. But as a kid, I've seen may Dragon Ball Z in my day. FUNimation's, the Spanish one on Telemundo (it came uncut with scenes never seen on the Ocean dub Saiyan/Namek Saga version). I've downloaded tons of Japanese DBZ in my day too, whic is how I saw most of the series. Even on all the video games, the colors are pretty much how FUNimation presented them. So my question is, how is it that every single source that provided Dragon Ball Z was not true to the colors?

Bootleg colors I suppose.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:01 pm

On everything? Every download I've ever made, every video I've seen online, every picture I've seen, both FUNimation and the Spanish versions? And the video games? There's something a lot weirder. Maybe they used film that was far from the original and the colors were changed? And that was the film that was distributed everywhere? Beats me.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:02 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:I'm not going to lie, in the case of the eyecatchers Funi wins that round.

If FUNi could stop making the skin-tone so freakin' pale that I have to turn down the contrast on my TV then I would agree.

At this point, it's not the Widescreen or the lies that bother me. What bothers me is the really pale skin and the disappearing lines (Nappa's foaming mouth).

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:02 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Also, can someone answer my question about the colors? As I said before, I realize that the Dragon Box uses the original cel colors. But as a kid, I've seen may Dragon Ball Z in my day. FUNimation's, the Spanish one on Telemundo (it came uncut with scenes never seen on the Ocean dub Saiyan/Namek Saga version). I've downloaded tons of Japanese DBZ in my day too, whic is how I saw most of the series. Even on all the video games, the colors are pretty much how FUNimation presented them. So my question is, how is it that every single source that provided Dragon Ball Z was not true to the colors?

Easy. In addition to FUNimation's changes, all licensed productions of DragonBall came from the same digibeta masters that Toei provided, and those were all...well, crap. Toei didn't keep them in good shape, like a lot of their shows. That's why when Toei did their remaster, they went back to the original master which had been kept in cold storage since it was created. Now, that accounts for some of the problems, but still...it's mostly FUNimation. Why?

Well, to be honest, I watched DragonBall Z way back in 2000 or so on the International Channel and it looked almost exactly the same as the DragonBoxes in terms of color. Same for Telemundo's broadcast of the Freeza saga which I saw back in 1999 or so. Neither had the same retina scorching color saturation changes that FUNi has. Hell, the DragonBoxes themselves have international clips that show FUNimation is the only one with fucked colors. I'll take screens if you want.

-Corey

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:28 pm

Hm. Gotcha

Looks like next time I'm watching my singles, I'm not only turning down the Sharpness, I'm doing something with the brightness too. Thanks for the explanation

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:51 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Well, to be honest, I watched DragonBall Z way back in 2000 or so on the International Channel and it looked almost exactly the same as the DragonBoxes in terms of color. Same for Telemundo's broadcast of the Freeza saga which I saw back in 1999 or so. Neither had the same retina scorching color saturation changes that FUNi has. Hell, the DragonBoxes themselves have international clips that show FUNimation is the only one with fucked colors. I'll take screens if you want.

-Corey

Corey,that's the part of the Dragon Boxes where they sorta poke fun at dubbed versions of DBZ right?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote: Hell, the DragonBoxes themselves have international clips that show FUNimation is the only one with fucked colors. I'll take screens if you want.

-Corey

Please! Post those. That would really be awesome.

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:20 pm

Kendamu wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote: Hell, the DragonBoxes themselves have international clips that show FUNimation is the only one with fucked colors. I'll take screens if you want.

-Corey
Please! Post those. That would really be awesome.

I second that!