Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by majinwarman » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:53 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
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Baggie_Saiyan wrote: There is no way Toriyama had all that information randomly in his head for a random interview in Saikyo Jump. It was obviously thought of prior.

Yamoshi & SSG is probably why Vegeta now has that form. I'm convinced now that's gonna be a plot point in the film.
It could still just be stuff that Toriyama said just for the press and has no bearing on the movie.
It just seemed too much information for a random interview in one of the smaller magazines. There is no way all that was thought of on the spot clearly it was something he thought up before. And for this movie makes sense.

And now Vegeta gets access to SSG. With that Yamoshi and SSG talk I don't think that's a coincidence.
It is just food for thought and I just want to put it out there for people to think about.
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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by Mnich » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:54 am

AnimeNation101 wrote: First off, that’s still quite a flimsy story. If thats the case, it was never explained WHY Goku’s power awakened Broly’s instincts and made him go call coo-coo for Kakarot or even anyone that looked like him as shown in the second movie.
Yes, as far as I remember it wasn't explained, but at least it was said by Paragus, not like this crying theory that is floating through the internet.
AnimeNation101 wrote: And second off, clearly the motive of Broly trying to kill Goku because he awakened his instincts wasn’t explained well enough because of the fact that most people feel that the movie pushed the idea that Goku crying is the reason Broly hates him. So either way, its still a stupid reason to be crazy for Kakarot
The English dubbing may be the cause of this misinformation, as there are some changed dialogues, I think. Someone on this forums said that, I've never watched it with English dub, because the original is the best (to not insult anyone).

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by Grimlock » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:57 am

Gogeta confirmed! :D

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Post by AnimeNation101 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:04 am

Grimlock wrote:Gogeta confirmed! :D

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Thats an old tweet...
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie. 8)

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:06 am

Really? It only appeared now for me. Dang it!

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Post by Pannaliciour » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:02 am

Would be nice if Freeza fought Broly before he met Goku and co on Namek. He lost his fight against Broly and thats why he fears Broly.

But the trailer contradicts this sort of.

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Post by ZeroNeonix » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:17 am

Pannaliciour wrote:Would be nice if Freeza fought Broly before he met Goku and co on Namek. He lost his fight against Broly and thats why he fears Broly.

But the trailer contradicts this sort of.
Yeah. I don't know how this came to be, but it seems that Paragus and Broly have come under Frieza's service. It also looks like Broly is going to go berserk, and Frieza will not be able to control him any more. I'm guessing Paragus and Broly have just been hiding out somewhere all this time, but why would they want to work for Frieza?

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Post by dbgtFO » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:43 am

ZeroNeonix wrote:
Pannaliciour wrote:Would be nice if Freeza fought Broly before he met Goku and co on Namek. He lost his fight against Broly and thats why he fears Broly.

But the trailer contradicts this sort of.
Yeah. I don't know how this came to be, but it seems that Paragus and Broly have come under Frieza's service. It also looks like Broly is going to go berserk, and Frieza will not be able to control him any more. I'm guessing Paragus and Broly have just been hiding out somewhere all this time, but why would they want to work for Frieza?
Maybe Broly isn't stronger than Freeza at the beginning of this movie and thus Paragus sees it as a good opportunity for now to work with Freeza?
I'm imagining that during his battle with Goku and Vegeta, he's of course going to become stronger than them and Freeza too, but before that he might have just been a pushover for Golden Freeza.

So Freeza locates Paragus and Broly and Freeza and Broly fight. Freeza is surprised initially by Broly's strength, but as Golden Freeza, he's too strong for this new Saiyan.
Then Paragus and Broly join Freeza and go to Earth, challenging Goku and Vegeta. During the course of the battle, Broly grows stronger in response to fighting other Saiyans, so by the end of it, he is far more powerful than any of them.

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Post by AnimeNation101 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:45 am

The DBMovie-FrontLines series that the official db news website was doing has finally caught up and covered RoF. This COULD mean that we might get something related to the Broly movie next week.

What caught my eye is what they said at the end of the Battle of Gods article.

I used google translate so the translation is a little “off”.

Ultra Saiyan God felt doubtful about the bad deeds of the same friend Saiyan and says that a handful of the right Saiyans who caused the revolt happened to be a savior. The movie "Dragon Ball Super Brawl" is a story of the Saiyan people, so we can not wait to see what kind of new facts turn out next time!
https://dragonball.news/news/dbmfl19.html

I could be looking too much into this but if they know stuff about the movie that the general public doesn’t, then they could be hinting that we’ll get more info on Yamoshi’s story.
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie. 8)

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:12 pm

So since LSS Broly is officially "Super Saiyan Broly Full Power" I assme the regular SS looking Boly will be "Super Saiyan Broly" but I wonder about the black haired one will be called? I can't really see them naming it "controlled/restrained SS". Maybe it'll just be unamed.

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Post by BrolyKale » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:17 pm

[spoiler]In the last chapter of DBS they called Kale "Legendary Saiyan" so I wonder if they will keep the legendary thing for Broly and Kale or if they will just use "Broly Full Power" and "Kale Berserker"...[/spoiler]
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Post by ZeroNeonix » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:23 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:So since LSS Broly is officially "Super Saiyan Broly Full Power" I assme the regular SS looking Boly will be "Super Saiyan Broly" but I wonder about the black haired one will be called? I can't really see them naming it "controlled/restrained SS". Maybe it'll just be unamed.
Why are people assuming the "Full Power" is the name of the transformation? It's saying that Broly is at his full power. I think people are reading too much into it. What I infer from all this is that the golden haired form is just Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2. The green haired form we're all familiar with is Legendary Super Saiyan / Super Saiyan Berserker. As for the golden eyed form, that's probably just their replacement for this:

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That...or maybe it's like the False Super Saiyan from Lord Slug. Super Saiyan 0.5.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:29 pm

BrolyKale wrote:[spoiler]In the last chapter of DBS they called Kale "Legendary Saiyan" so I wonder if they will keep the legendary thing for Broly and Kale or if they will just use "Broly Full Power" and "Kale Berserker"...[/spoiler]
They also pointed out how the downfall of these legendary Saiyans happen..
Wonder if that's how Broly will be defeated, by his own ever increasing power
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:30 pm

ZeroNeonix wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:So since LSS Broly is officially "Super Saiyan Broly Full Power" I assme the regular SS looking Boly will be "Super Saiyan Broly" but I wonder about the black haired one will be called? I can't really see them naming it "controlled/restrained SS". Maybe it'll just be unamed.
Why are people assuming the "Full Power" is the name of the transformation? It's saying that Broly is at his full power. I think people are reading too much into it. What I infer from all this is that the golden haired form is just Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2. The green haired form we're all familiar with is Legendary Super Saiyan / Super Saiyan Berserker. As for the golden eyed form, that's probably just their replacement for this:

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That...or maybe it's like the False Super Saiyan from Lord Slug. Super Saiyan 0.5.
Merchandise has officially called LSS Broly "超サイヤ人ブロリーフルパワー" Super Saiyan Broly Full Power. There isn't even the kanji for provisional (仮) to indicate the name is temporary so it seems that is the official name.

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Post by emperior » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:36 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
ZeroNeonix wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:So since LSS Broly is officially "Super Saiyan Broly Full Power" I assme the regular SS looking Boly will be "Super Saiyan Broly" but I wonder about the black haired one will be called? I can't really see them naming it "controlled/restrained SS". Maybe it'll just be unamed.
Why are people assuming the "Full Power" is the name of the transformation? It's saying that Broly is at his full power. I think people are reading too much into it. What I infer from all this is that the golden haired form is just Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2. The green haired form we're all familiar with is Legendary Super Saiyan / Super Saiyan Berserker. As for the golden eyed form, that's probably just their replacement for this:

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That...or maybe it's like the False Super Saiyan from Lord Slug. Super Saiyan 0.5.
Merchandise has officially called LSS Broly "超サイヤ人ブロリーフルパワー" Super Saiyan Broly Full Power. There isn't even the kanji for provisional (仮) to indicate the name is temporary so it seems that is the official name.
Even if that’s the name of his form, it wouldn’t stop them from addressing Broly himself as the Legendary (Super) Saiyan. His transformation is clearly different from the average Super Saiyan and that may be due to Broly himself being an exception, not necessarily his transformation.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:45 pm

emperior wrote: Even if that’s the name of his form, it wouldn’t stop them from addressing Broly himself as the Legendary (Super) Saiyan. His transformation is clearly different from the average Super Saiyan and that may be due to Broly himself being an exception, not necessarily his transformation.
I personally not a fan of all this legendary nonsense would be happy if it were dropped completely.

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Post by emperior » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:51 pm

About the Minus flashback, considering how it’s shown from Goku’s point of view I have a theory that something will make Goku remember his forgotten memories of his past. There was also a comment from one of the producers telling us to pay attention to what happens to Goku.
It also happens in the real world when, sometimes, people who have lost memory of some past events suddenly regain the memory, either casually or due to a trigger. The same could happen to Goku. Maybe his parents’ “You have to survive” will sort of save him, and give him the power to go on and survive, maybe by achieving Ultra Instinct yet again.
It is a crazy theory, but who knows, I may end up being right!
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Post by Grimlock » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:11 pm

emperior wrote:Maybe his parents’ “You have to survive” will sort of save him, and give him the power to go on and survive, maybe by achieving Ultra Instinct yet again.
It is a crazy theory, but who knows, I may end up being right!
Something like that should have happened back in Freeza saga, when Goku launches his Kamehameha at Freeza thus defeating him. I've always thought that at least sillouettes of Saiyans should have appeared on top of Goku's face. Hopefully your theory is right. It's high time some kind of link, something from the past, especially from Bardock and Gine to trigger something in Goku these days.

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Post by Mister_Popo » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:24 pm

ZeroNeonix wrote:
Pannaliciour wrote:Would be nice if Freeza fought Broly before he met Goku and co on Namek. He lost his fight against Broly and thats why he fears Broly.

But the trailer contradicts this sort of.
Yeah. I don't know how this came to be, but it seems that Paragus and Broly have come under Frieza's service. It also looks like Broly is going to go berserk, and Frieza will not be able to control him any more. I'm guessing Paragus and Broly have just been hiding out somewhere all this time, but why would they want to work for Frieza?

There are some theories circulating Paragus was a scientist that maybe biologically engineered or enhanced Broly. That theory might be very plausible.
It could very well we get the explaination behind the Saiyans strength by Paragus himself, because he knows everything about S-cells and how they exactly work.
Maybe he found Broly somewhere, he found he was exceptionally powerful, he examined him, found out what the exact mutation in his S-cells was and further enhanced it in his laboratory, in order to make him his weapon of war.
He could have gotten founds by Freeza to do biological experiments for his army. Paragus could have gotten an agenda of his own when he found Broly, exploring how powerfull he could become with Broly's support.
His visit to earth in the first part of the trailer (frozen planet) could be just Paragus wanting to conquer worlds on his own (maybe even to have a snatch at earth's dragon balls, if he knew about them?), without Freezas permission.
In the second half of the movie Freeza may get suspicous after hearing rumours and send his minions to explore / come and visit Paragus' planet a visit, where the final battle occurs.
That might explain why we have no images of Freeza with the icy background at the first stage of the battle. Paragus and Broly look like they are soldiers of Freezas army, but the soldiers that accompany Paragus look different.
He could very well be buiding his own army as well, without Freezas permission.

I do think the first part of the battle takes place on earth (the icy environment). The second part could be Brolys / Paragus baseplanet.

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Post by Zelvin » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:30 pm

The theory that Paragus was experimenting on Saiyans to make them stronger doesn't make sense. Because if he'd succeeded, King Vegeta would've had it used on his sons would've moved all research, as well as a batch of Saiyan infants, to a hidden research facility to hide them away from Freeza. Since they were all afraid that Freeza would one day exterminate them.

So no, the gene-enhancement theory is just bollocks. Saiyans only get tested to discern what degree of potential they have, so they can be categorized into class. There is no indication that they even had the technology to perform genetic research. Because if they did, they'd have had to have gotten it from Freeza's Army. And Freeza would know if they requested such materials. And would've told them no. And probably killed anyone who was involved.
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