Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

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If this movie is as good as I think it is going to be, then Super surpasses Z in my book. If the series comes back strong after that it could surpass original DB.

Also,Dbz vs super:
Movies: Dbz
TV show : Dbz
Manga : Db (Z-portion)

How in the WOrld can super be better then Z?

[dbgtFO]

If this movie is as good as I think it is going to be, then Super surpasses Z in my book. If the series comes back strong after that it could surpass original DB.

.......... It's you.......you're a big reason I joined this community last week. It became to much for me to bare to see you trashing the dbs manga for the past few months of which I had been observing this community while I could do nothing.

Be careful you don't get obsessed.
Even participating in an online debate is not guaranteed to do much, if everyone are completely convinced of their position and unwilling to change, so don't get carried away and expect all too much, now that you are participating in the debate.

[Pannaliciour]

Apparently it has already been stated that Broly is the strongest foe they have ever faced. Supposedly it is somewhere in here but I didn't see but I also don't speak Japanese:

https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 48768?s=19

I fully expect Broly to be superior to Jiren. That's pretty much always how things work in this series. The only exception is Beerus not being surpassed by the main villains following him.

Jiren surpassed him

[PFM18]

If this movie is as good as I think it is going to be, then Super surpasses Z in my book. If the series comes back strong after that it could surpass original DB.

.......... It's you.......you're a big reason I joined this community last week. It became to much for me to bare to see you trashing the dbs manga for the past few months of which I had been observing this community while I could do nothing.

Ah I am flattered!

Also,Dbz vs super:
Movies: Dbz
TV show : Dbz
Manga : Db (Z-portion)

I am not comparing "Z"(which in terms of the manga isn't even a thing) as a whole with Super as a whole.(In terms of their respective mangas it is a landslide in "Z's" favor given how poorly the DBS manga has been handled) I am comparing the anime portions that fit in the continuity to each other:

131 episodes+1 movie vs 291 episodes

Any other comparison wouldn't really make much sense. I am comparing things in terms of the anime versions of each and this movie is a part of the continuity of the DBS anime. Now, in my book I enjoyed Z and Super to a similar degree, and I give Z the edge as of now. However, if this movie is as good as I think it is going to be, then to me it becomes the superior of the two series. Just my opinion, anyway.

Apparently it has already been stated that Broly is the strongest foe they have ever faced. Supposedly it is somewhere in here but I didn't see but I also don't speak Japanese:

https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 48768?s=19

I fully expect Broly to be superior to Jiren. That's pretty much always how things work in this series. The only exception is Beerus not being surpassed by the main villains following him.

Jiren surpassed him

Well I know. But the following three main antagonists that followed him: Golden Freeza, Hit, and Merged Zamasu, did not surpass him. That is all I am saying.

[1345521]

If this movie is as good as I think it is going to be, then Super surpasses Z in my book. If the series comes back strong after that it could surpass original DB.

.......... It's you.......you're a big reason I joined this community last week. It became to much for me to bare to see you trashing the dbs manga for the past few months of which I had been observing this community while I could do nothing.

Be careful you don't get obsessed.
Even participating in an online debate is not guaranteed to do much, if everyone are completely convinced of their position and unwilling to change, so don't get carried away and expect all too much, now that you are participating in the debate.

Hmph, you seem to not understand who I am. My name is 4 . I am an accomplished warrior in debate from the Dragon ball YOUTUBE community. I've come across many people who are akin to this PMF fellow, and i've exposed their dragon ball knoweldge (expose me to wreck them in debate) easily. I've seen no one in this kansenshuu has been able to so, so that's why I myself have come. It shouldn't take me much time to make quick work of this guy.

[Pannaliciour]

Not starting a war or something. Z has the better quality but thats normal because it has much more budget and time to be produce. BUT Super has the better moments: "The better youtube moments". The TOP saga was one of the worst saga (story wise) but its funny that it has the best moments in history of dragon ball. Not a single episode of Z comes close to the Super special (109 & 110): action, drill, tension inmense sense of battle power and the birth of ultra instinct and the music.

Lets not forget the crazy moments of Goku vs black and fused zamasu. The introduction of Black. The kaio-ken against Hit, the birth of mastered ultra instinct and the kamehameha against Kefla.

Its not a question if Super is better or not then Z, the question should be: is it a worthy continuation of Z? Yes it was a very very special experience.

[1345521]

If this movie is as good as I think it is going to be, then Super surpasses Z in my book. If the series comes back strong after that it could surpass original DB.

.......... It's you.......you're a big reason I joined this community last week. It became to much for me to bare to see you trashing the dbs manga for the past few months of which I had been observing this community while I could do nothing.

Ah I am flattered!

Also,Dbz vs super:
Movies: Dbz
TV show : Dbz
Manga : Db (Z-portion)

I am not comparing "Z"(which in terms of the manga isn't even a thing) as a whole with Super as a whole.(In terms of their respective mangas it is a landslide in "Z's" favor given how poorly the DBS manga has been handled) I am comparing the anime portions that fit in the continuity to each other:

131 episodes+1 movie vs 291 episodes

Any other comparison wouldn't really make much sense. I am comparing things in terms of the anime versions of each and this movie is a part of the continuity of the DBS anime. Now, in my book I enjoyed Z and Super to a similar degree, and I give Z the edge as of now. However, if this movie is as good as I think it is going to be, then to me it becomes the superior of the two series. Just my opinion, anyway.

Apparently it has already been stated that Broly is the strongest foe they have ever faced. Supposedly it is somewhere in here but I didn't see but I also don't speak Japanese:

https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status ... 48768?s=19

I fully expect Broly to be superior to Jiren. That's pretty much always how things work in this series. The only exception is Beerus not being surpassed by the main villains following him.

Jiren surpassed him

Well I know. But the following three main antagonists that followed him: Golden Freeza, Hit, and Merged Zamasu, did not surpass him. That is all I am saying.

You really had to slide a diss of the dbs manga? oh you little..... Sighs... .. The Movie may not even have kaioken and evolution, so we don't know if its the strict continuation of the anime. you really should be comparing 291 episodes of Z VS 131 EPISODES OF super.
But if we are going by simply what we enjoy better then my ranking would be:
Z
GT
Dbs manga
db
db kai
Dbs anime
Db manga (it's just a worse version of Db and Z in my opinion)

I thought you were trying to objectivly say super would be better then Z, then we would have a problem...if you just like super better then Z after broly movie...I mean, I'd dissagree HEAVILY but it'd just be your personal prfrence which every man is endowed too.

[1345521]

Not starting a war or something. Z has the better quality but thats normal because it has much more budget and time to be produce. BUT Super has the better moments: "The better youtube moments". The TOP saga was one of the worst saga (story wise) but its funny that it has the best moments in history of dragon ball. Not a single episode of Z comes close to the Super special (109 & 110): action, drill, tension inmense sense of battle power and the birth of ultra instinct and the music.

Lets not forget the crazy moments of Goku vs black and fused zamasu. The introduction of Black. The kaio-ken against Hit, the birth of mastered ultra instinct and the kamehameha against Kefla.

Its not a question if Super is better or not then Z, the question should be: is it a worthy continuation of Z? Yes it was a very very special experience.

I dissagree, that episode one-hour special was an 85/100 in my objective analysis. (put that into context, this ranking is worse then dbs manga chapters: 27,28,29,30 (tied), 31,33,37,38 and that was just for this arc.
First of all, ribiranne forcing goku to blue level was bad power scailing, goku going into "kaioken x 20" was ULTRA dissapointing, and was useless since goku blue fought better against jiren then kaioken x 20 blue. The way of how goku got omen UI was absloutly such contribed and bad writing. He survived a near death expirence so he nows get a new tranformation which just happens to allow him to dodge instinctvly? waaat? trash. those were some of the faults I had with it which is why that episoe IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to the Z highs, plus the acting and charaicartization was cringe as usual. Plus there was some bad art frames as well as re-used animation. but the fight was cool, the story progression was pretty nice and the fight haf solid build-up. the ost was great, defitnly the best episode in the ToP.

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Db manga (it's just a worse version of Db and Z in my opinion)

holy hell

[PFM18]

I thought you were trying to objectivly say super would be better then Z, then we would have a problem...if you just like super better then Z after broly movie...I mean, I'd dissagree HEAVILY but it'd just be your personal prfrence which every man is endowed too.

Well, I enjoy Super almost as much as Z in terms of their respective anime as a result of the corresponding quality. In terms of saying one is objectively higher quality than the other, it cannot be done considering that goes against the very premise of something being considered objective. Saying "Super is objectively better than Z" implies that this statement is a fact and that just doesn't make sense in this context considering how subjective it is to assess the quality of the two series.

Not a single episode of Z comes close to the Super special (109 & 110): action, drill, tension inmense sense of battle power and the birth of ultra instinct and the music.

Lets not forget the crazy moments of Goku vs black and fused zamasu. The introduction of Black. The kaio-ken against Hit, the birth of mastered ultra instinct and the kamehameha against Kefla.

Its not a question if Super is better or not then Z, the question should be: is it a worthy continuation of Z? Yes it was a very very special experience.
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I agree 100%.

But going back to what I was saying with my original post, I think that this movie has a ridiculous amount of potential in terms of making Broly a good character, expanding the lore of the series and the backstory of the Saiyans, and giving breathtaking fight scenes throughout. As a result, if this movie lives up to it's potential(unfortunately the FT and ToP arcs did not.) Then I think Super surpasses Z imo.

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Db manga (it's just a worse version of Db and Z in my opinion)

holy hell

[emperior]

Z
GT
Dbs manga
db
db kai
Dbs anime
Db manga (it's just a worse version of Db and Z in my opinion)

Holy shit dude are you for real?! Do you really rank the Original Manga last?
I know people shouldn’t be judged on their preferences but damn, this is way too much.
I can’t understand how you prefer Toyotaro’s manga to Toriyama’s. Like that is 100% objectively wrong. There’s a reason why Toriyama is considered a God of manga in Japan by his colleagues and worldwide by literally everyone who cares about mangas.
I can understand if you personally prefer the animated version, but you can’t expect people to take you seriously if you go and put Z on a pedestal and first on your list and then shit on the original source of it by ranking it lower than even GT.
Have you even read the manga in its entirety? And how long has it been since you last watched the animated series?

[1345521]

I thought you were trying to objectivly say super would be better then Z, then we would have a problem...if you just like super better then Z after broly movie...I mean, I'd dissagree HEAVILY but it'd just be your personal prfrence which every man is endowed too.

Well, I enjoy Super almost as much as Z in terms of their respective anime as a result of the corresponding quality. In terms of saying one is objectively higher quality than the other, it cannot be done considering that goes against the very premise of something being considered objective. Saying "Super is objectively better than Z" implies that this statement is a fact and that just doesn't make sense in this context considering how subjective it is to assess the quality of the two series.

Not a single episode of Z comes close to the Super special (109 & 110): action, drill, tension inmense sense of battle power and the birth of ultra instinct and the music.

Lets not forget the crazy moments of Goku vs black and fused zamasu. The introduction of Black. The kaio-ken against Hit, the birth of mastered ultra instinct and the kamehameha against Kefla.

Its not a question if Super is better or not then Z, the question should be: is it a worthy continuation of Z? Yes it was a very very special experience.
Top

I agree 100%.

But going back to what I was saying with my original post, I think that this movie has a ridiculous amount of potential in terms of making Broly a good character, expanding the lore of the series and the backstory of the Saiyans, and giving breathtaking fight scenes throughout. As a result, if this movie lives up to it's potential(unfortunately the FT and ToP arcs did not.) Then I think Super surpasses Z imo.

Not really, because objectivty /=/ Truth, it just means based on what we know and the criteria we set forth, which one does our reason say it's better. while making prfrence is just saying which one one likes better. some may like Db eovlution better then anything in dragon ball combined (except evolution), and we can conlude that objetvily everything in dragon ball combined is better then eolvution. Being objective and subjective is not a matter of right/wrong, one is just looking at it through an alaystic lens while the other is more so by feelings. Dosen't mean one or the other is 100% wrong, right or even At odds.

[1345521]

Z
GT
Dbs manga
db
db kai
Dbs anime
Db manga (it's just a worse version of Db and Z in my opinion)

Holy shit dude are you for real?! Do you really rank the Original Manga last?
I know people shouldn’t be judged on their preferences but damn, this is way too much.
I can’t understand how you prefer Toyotaro’s manga to Toriyama’s. Like that is 100% objectively wrong. There’s a reason why Toriyama is considered a God of manga in Japan by his colleagues and worldwide by literally everyone who cares about mangas.
I can understand if you personally prefer the animated version, but you can’t expect people to take you seriously if you go and put Z on a pedestal and first on your list and then shit on the original source of it by ranking it lower than even GT.
Have you even read the manga in its entirety? And how long has it been since you last watched the animated series?

My prefence and you have no right to judge, if we want to be objective then I say:
Z
db manga
Db
Db kai
GT
Dbs manga
Dbs anime

either way, dbs anime is still pretty much last. Like, what's the point of reading db manga is I already get everything I need in Db and Z PLUS more, hence why it's last on my prefence list, toyotaro at least provides something unique. And even though Kai is pretty much a poor mans version of Z, at least it provides animation, voice acting etc etc. IMO

[Pannaliciour]

Not starting a war or something. Z has the better quality but thats normal because it has much more budget and time to be produce. BUT Super has the better moments: "The better youtube moments". The TOP saga was one of the worst saga (story wise) but its funny that it has the best moments in history of dragon ball. Not a single episode of Z comes close to the Super special (109 & 110): action, drill, tension inmense sense of battle power and the birth of ultra instinct and the music.

Lets not forget the crazy moments of Goku vs black and fused zamasu. The introduction of Black. The kaio-ken against Hit, the birth of mastered ultra instinct and the kamehameha against Kefla.

Its not a question if Super is better or not then Z, the question should be: is it a worthy continuation of Z? Yes it was a very very special experience.

I dissagree, that episode one-hour special was an 85/100 in my objective analysis. (put that into context, this ranking is worse then dbs manga chapters: 27,28,29,30 (tied), 31,33,37,38 and that was just for this arc.
First of all, ribiranne forcing goku to blue level was bad power scailing, goku going into "kaioken x 20" was ULTRA dissapointing, and was useless since goku blue fought better against jiren then kaioken x 20 blue. The way of how goku got omen UI was absloutly such contribed and bad writing. He survived a near death expirence so he nows get a new tranformation which just happens to allow him to dodge instinctvly? waaat? trash. those were some of the faults I had with it which is why that episoe IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to the Z highs, plus the acting and charaicartization was cringe as usual. Plus there was some bad art frames as well as re-used animation. but the fight was cool, the story progression was pretty nice and the fight haf solid build-up. the ost was great, defitnly the best episode in the ToP.

I have to disagree with you also.

Ribrianna was just a little moment, the focus of the special was Jiren vs Goku and that was mind blowing.

Its like saying the fight between Goku vs Cell (full power) was not that great because Hercule and co had more screentime then the fight. Yet in my'n opinion that was the best fight in history of dragon ball.

Ultra instinct came out of nothing? Thats not true! They where foreshadowing it at the very beginning of Super. And BTW every form came out of nothing in Z. Ssj 1: because he was angry? Ssj2: because he was angry? Ssj3: because he trained very very hard? Technically UI was the first form that got a explaination. The other forms didn't.

Sure that special wasn't perfect but so was Z. Those talks during the fights where a nightmare.

[emperior]

Not starting a war or something. Z has the better quality but thats normal because it has much more budget and time to be produce. BUT Super has the better moments: "The better youtube moments". The TOP saga was one of the worst saga (story wise) but its funny that it has the best moments in history of dragon ball. Not a single episode of Z comes close to the Super special (109 & 110): action, drill, tension inmense sense of battle power and the birth of ultra instinct and the music.

Lets not forget the crazy moments of Goku vs black and fused zamasu. The introduction of Black. The kaio-ken against Hit, the birth of mastered ultra instinct and the kamehameha against Kefla.

Its not a question if Super is better or not then Z, the question should be: is it a worthy continuation of Z? Yes it was a very very special experience.

Budget doesn’t matter in animation, although you are right about time. Super suffered from the bad scheduling since the very beginning and its effects were still there throughout its entire run. Although they managed to provide some very good animation here and there. In fact the ToP is probably the best animated arc in the history of Dragon Ball. It also had consistently good/polished art, which was Super’s problem.
Animation actually wasn’t, apart from a few episodes the show had good animation all throughout.
The main reason why Z looks much better is its superior character designs, colors and overall art direction. It also managed to have each episode look consistent, even the bad ones supervised by guys with bad styles like Ebisawa and Uchiyama.

I agree with what you said though. Super has lots of special moments but as far as narration and story goes, Z still beats it.
But Super has been improving tremendously, with FT arc and US arc being very good arcs, among the best in the series in my opinion.
The future is now brighter than ever with Toei finally taking action to fix the show starting from its character designs and the colors, while also taking the show off the air to either provide awesome movies or to come back with a weekly well planned show which can go on for long withoit its production collapsing.

[1345521]

Not starting a war or something. Z has the better quality but thats normal because it has much more budget and time to be produce. BUT Super has the better moments: "The better youtube moments". The TOP saga was one of the worst saga (story wise) but its funny that it has the best moments in history of dragon ball. Not a single episode of Z comes close to the Super special (109 & 110): action, drill, tension inmense sense of battle power and the birth of ultra instinct and the music.

Lets not forget the crazy moments of Goku vs black and fused zamasu. The introduction of Black. The kaio-ken against Hit, the birth of mastered ultra instinct and the kamehameha against Kefla.

Its not a question if Super is better or not then Z, the question should be: is it a worthy continuation of Z? Yes it was a very very special experience.

I dissagree, that episode one-hour special was an 85/100 in my objective analysis. (put that into context, this ranking is worse then dbs manga chapters: 27,28,29,30 (tied), 31,33,37,38 and that was just for this arc.
First of all, ribiranne forcing goku to blue level was bad power scailing, goku going into "kaioken x 20" was ULTRA dissapointing, and was useless since goku blue fought better against jiren then kaioken x 20 blue. The way of how goku got omen UI was absloutly such contribed and bad writing. He survived a near death expirence so he nows get a new tranformation which just happens to allow him to dodge instinctvly? waaat? trash. those were some of the faults I had with it which is why that episoe IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to the Z highs, plus the acting and charaicartization was cringe as usual. Plus there was some bad art frames as well as re-used animation. but the fight was cool, the story progression was pretty nice and the fight haf solid build-up. the ost was great, defitnly the best episode in the ToP.

I have to disagree with you also.

Ribrianna was just a little moment, the focus of the special was Jiren vs Goku and that was mind blowing.

Its like saying the fight between Goku vs Cell (full power) was not that great because Hercule and co had more screentime then the fight. Yet in my'n opinion that was the best fight in history of dragon ball.

Ultra instinct came out of nothing? Thats not true! They where foreshadowing it at the very beginning of Super. And BTW every form came out of nothing in Z. Ssj 1: because he was angry? Ssj2: because he was angry? Ssj3: because he trained very very hard? Technically UI was the first form that got a explaination. The other forms didn't.

Sure that special wasn't perfect but so was Z. Those talks during the fights where a nightmare.

No ribiranne wasn't sine it was a FIGHT vs goku which ruined it.
goku vs jiren was a GOOD fight, that's it.
I mean...okay it's your opinion. I mean in my opinion, I found GT WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more enjoyable then supers anime and dragon ball kai (wrost version of Z IMO)

They were foreshodwing jack sqaut, they brought it up in like one episode and that was it. and plus whis never made any infernce that it'd be a tranformation, and besdies HOW he got it was pretty much bad writing. he survived a spirit bomb so he got poofed with a power-up that somehow allows him to dodge insitnctivly, what trash writing.

ssj is the LEGEDARY tranformation of sayains that comes about through the rage, that's all ssj is. simple. And it got way more build-up in the namek arc then UI omen (basically False ssj equalivalnt LOL). SSJ2 is just an acension of ssj, it's still under the bracket of "ssj" which is triggered by rage, and then ssj3 is a special acension of ssj2 which reuquires extensive traning to ahcieve. simple but sensible and understanable. UI is a power-up that allows you fight insticntly? um....okay why wasn't all of that foreshadowed? why did goku get the "defensive" version of it? why is UI stornger then ssj blue? how come non of the other gods mastered it but goku did? how come jiren, vegeta, toppo never got it? it makes no sense and just bad writing. The episode was good, but wasn't that amazing. 85/100 and there are many dbs manga, db manga, db anime and Z anime epsisoes and chapters that are way better then the one hour special in my opinion.

[1345521]

And also GT episodes, too. (LoL, the GT ending episodes SOLOS anything super produced till this day)

[Shaddy]

GT's ending is better than every other ending the series has gotten, so.

[PFM18]

At this point this is completely off topic. We should get back to discussing the movie