Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[BlueBasilisk]

How have multiple threads descended into anime vs manga bickering?


Sorry if this has been talked about already in this thread but i'm too lazy to go through all these pages so I would love to know what you guys think.

Do you guys think Brolys spiky black hair state (rage) is this movies equivalent of his restricted ssj form from movie 8 or just his base form fully unleashed? Whatever theories you guys have , shoot em

I think it's the full fury of his base form unleashed and his normal form is the suppression. Whoever designed that form clearly had SS4 on the brain.

*snipped for brevity*

emperior said most of what I wanted to say in their post. Adapting the anime to adapt the manga works to nobody's benefit and there's no reason to do it just because that's the way it was before. Super was conceived as dual product with both an anime and a manga working independently from the same source which allows both Toyotaro and Toei to have creative freedom to tell the story in their own way without being shackled to the production schedule of the other. Dragon Ball Z is what happens when you try to follow the manga and half of that series was filler trying to pad run time to stay behind a weekly manga. It'd be FAR worse trying to follow a monthly. That or they'd be taking constant hiatus to stay behind and I don't think either Toei or Shueisha would want that, and I wouldn't wish a hellish weekly schedule on Toyotaro for anything. And if the manga is behind and adapting things 1:1, you might as well just do what the GT manga does and put a greyscale filter and some word bubbles over some screen shots. Nobody wants that and I rather agree with VegettoEX's bafflement that that comic is STILL being published. Who even reads it? Dragon Ball is hardly the first series to have an anime and manga develop independently from a common source. It's really not a big deal.

Honestly, it makes me really mad that they have not shown any designs or even hints of SSBE, SSJ Blue Kaioken or even Ultra Instinct for that matter. What’s the purpose behind all this secrecy? I know Ultra Instinct at the very least should appear in this movie, and i won’t take him “not appearing” for an answer. So any other excuses for why they aren’t showing them yet?

We do have a confirmed SSG Vegeta though, which is really weird that they revealed him but not his Blue Evolution form.

If Ultra Instinct Goku is not going to appear in this movie i won’t be watching it. Simple as that. They should know that the fans actively desire and prefer him. And i know Toei is all about fanservice because fanservice means money ofcourse.

Unfortunately I have a feeling that it won't, and that's why they had Goku mention that he didn't know how to use it yet in 131 so as to temper expectations. That being said I'm sure there's plenty they haven't shown us and the trailer we got showed next to nothing from the fight with Full Power Broly so we have no idea what they might be hiding up their sleeves yet. Blue's clearly not up to the task and I have my fingers crossed we don't get Gogeta or another fusion. I don't want movie 8 with Minus stapled onto the front and Dragon Ball 4D stapled over the climax.

[BrolyKale]

Do you guys think Brolys spiky black hair state (rage) is this movies equivalent of his restricted ssj form from movie 8 or just his base form fully unleashed? Whatever theories you guys have , shoot em

I think its like in movie 8. It looks like its due to the collar, it probably prevents him from using his full potential and transforming into a real SSJ.

[Mister_Popo]

Do you guys think Brolys spiky black hair state (rage) is this movies equivalent of his restricted ssj form from movie 8 or just his base form fully unleashed? Whatever theories you guys have , shoot em

I think its like in movie 8. It looks like its due to the collar, it probably prevents him from using his full potential and transforming into a real SSJ.

It may compare to that, yes, only a lot more powerful.

At the end of the trailer when Broly's battle power rises, that could very well be him transforming to or powering up in his normal yellow SSJ-state.
The energy he emits may be green, but we don't actually see in what he transforms.
He still has his armor on and i doubt only Blue is enough to force Broly in an 'upshift' of two transformations.
It could very well be UI Goku forces Broly in his maximum green state eventually.

[PFM18]

Honestly, it makes me really mad that they have not shown any designs or even hints of SSBE, SSJ Blue Kaioken or even Ultra Instinct for that matter.

If Ultra Instinct Goku is not going to appear in this movie i won’t be watching it. Simple as that.

Kaioken and Blue evolution probably won't show up. UI is 50/50 at this point.

If that's the case you weren't going to watch it to begin with and this is just an excuse to justify it.

I thought you said you were under the impression Evolution and Kaioken would show up? What makes you think they won't?

[Pannaliciour]

So Goku wants to be stronger then he was in the TOP according to the trailer. This means:

1) Goku will be stronger then the complete UI from the TOP

2) Broly will be stronger then Jiren

3) Beerus is worthless (haha)

[1345521]

How have multiple threads descended into anime vs manga bickering?


Sorry if this has been talked about already in this thread but i'm too lazy to go through all these pages so I would love to know what you guys think.

Do you guys think Brolys spiky black hair state (rage) is this movies equivalent of his restricted ssj form from movie 8 or just his base form fully unleashed? Whatever theories you guys have , shoot em

I think it's the full fury of his base form unleashed and his normal form is the suppression. Whoever designed that form clearly had SS4 on the brain.

*snipped for brevity*

emperior said most of what I wanted to say in their post. Adapting the anime to adapt the manga works to nobody's benefit and there's no reason to do it just because that's the way it was before. Super was conceived as dual product with both an anime and a manga working independently from the same source which allows both Toyotaro and Toei to have creative freedom to tell the story in their own way without being shackled to the production schedule of the other. Dragon Ball Z is what happens when you try to follow the manga and half of that series was filler trying to pad run time to stay behind a weekly manga. It'd be FAR worse trying to follow a monthly. That or they'd be taking constant hiatus to stay behind and I don't think either Toei or Shueisha would want that, and I wouldn't wish a hellish weekly schedule on Toyotaro for anything. And if the manga is behind and adapting things 1:1, you might as well just do what the GT manga does and put a greyscale filter and some word bubbles over some screen shots. Nobody wants that and I rather agree with VegettoEX's bafflement that that comic is STILL being published. Who even reads it? Dragon Ball is hardly the first series to have an anime and manga develop independently from a common source. It's really not a big deal.

Honestly, it makes me really mad that they have not shown any designs or even hints of SSBE, SSJ Blue Kaioken or even Ultra Instinct for that matter. What’s the purpose behind all this secrecy? I know Ultra Instinct at the very least should appear in this movie, and i won’t take him “not appearing” for an answer. So any other excuses for why they aren’t showing them yet?

We do have a confirmed SSG Vegeta though, which is really weird that they revealed him but not his Blue Evolution form.

If Ultra Instinct Goku is not going to appear in this movie i won’t be watching it. Simple as that. They should know that the fans actively desire and prefer him. And i know Toei is all about fanservice because fanservice means money ofcourse.

Unfortunately I have a feeling that it won't, and that's why they had Goku mention that he didn't know how to use it yet in 131 so as to temper expectations. That being said I'm sure there's plenty they haven't shown us and the trailer we got showed next to nothing from the fight with Full Power Broly so we have no idea what they might be hiding up their sleeves yet. Blue's clearly not up to the task and I have my fingers crossed we don't get Gogeta or another fusion. I don't want movie 8 with Minus stapled onto the front and Dragon Ball 4D stapled over the climax.

What are you talking about it's to no one benefit? Here you go:
Akira would like it because that's what he wanted since like almost the beggi ing plus toyotaro is his guy
Toyotaro manga sales are only going to increase now so he'd benefit it.
Shueisha would defintly benefit with an increase in dbs manga sales and now they are going to make more money
Toei wouldn't mind it because they get to continue to make more dragon ball, they get to make a better versio. Of Super which will be easier to produce since they got an manga to somewhat guide them.

BAM. Everbody benefits.

And the anime would be SO FAR BEHIND the manga it being monthly won't even be a problem.

The only ones who'd dislike this are the super anime fans who don't like toyotaro. Because an casual anime fan would love this, toyotaro fans would love it and people who never saw the manga version would also like it.

More I type, more excited I get. WE JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NO KAIOKDN OR EVOLUTION IN THE MOIVE. NO KAIOKEN OR EVOLUTION.
If we get that, that's a good start because for toei to not even put their own filler tranfronatikn in the movie would be Saying something BIG. Now if we could just get some manga refrences... It's over...

[BlueBasilisk]

So Goku wants to be stronger then he was in the TOP according to the trailer. This means:

1) Goku will be stronger then the complete UI from the TOP

2) Broly will be stronger then Jiren

3) Beerus is worthless (haha)

Why do you think Whis asked Vegeta to replace him?

[WittyUsername]

The fact that we might actually end up legitimately saying that Broly is more powerful than Beerus is pretty unbelievable.

[Mister_Popo]

The fact that we might actually end up legitimately saying that Broly is more powerful than Beerus is pretty unbelievable.

We still don't know how strong Beerus really is, because we have never seen him fighting for his life yet at full potential.
If he's weaker, he may still simply Hakai Broly.

[PFM18]

The fact that we might actually end up legitimately saying that Broly is more powerful than Beerus is pretty unbelievable.

Yes, Yes it is. If someone would have told me that a year ago I would have laughed so hard and called them insane probably lol.

The only ones who'd dislike this are the super anime fans who don't like toyotaro.

You say this like this demographic doesn't make up the majority of the fanbase.

What you are proposing is just never going to happen. I won't get into it since other users already explained it

[Pannaliciour]

The fact we might actually end up legitimately saying that Broly is more powerful than Beerus is pretty unbelievable.

We still don't know how strong Beerus really is, because we have never seen him fighting for his life yet at full potential.
If he's weaker, he may still simply Hakai Broly.

We have seen Beerus all go out in the manga, he used UI but wasn't perfect. He only dodged but didn't attack if I remember correctly. If Broly goes one on one against completed UI then Broly > Beerus I guess

Pretty sure hakai won't work if you are stronger. There are some hax that will work, mafuba and ginyu body swap. But hakai isn't one of that. Freeza vs hakai energy and Vegeta vs Toppo proved that.

[BlueBasilisk]

Broly probably will be stronger than Jiren. I think the only time we've had a foe be weaker than the previous one was Beerus to Frieza and Beerus is a huge exception to how this usually works. I wonder how nobody ever noticed that HUGE power?

[Pannaliciour]

Broly probably will be stronger than Jiren. I think the only time we've had a foe be weaker than the previous one was Beerus to Frieza and Beerus is a huge exception to how this usually works. I wonder how nobody ever noticed that HUGE power?

Good point, Hit was also weaker then Frieza (by manga) and Zamasu also.

Jiren was the first one that actually was treated like he was GoD tier or above.

[BlueBasilisk]

Broly probably will be stronger than Jiren. I think the only time we've had a foe be weaker than the previous one was Beerus to Frieza and Beerus is a huge exception to how this usually works. I wonder how nobody ever noticed that HUGE power?

Good point, Hit was also weaker then Frieza (by manga) and Zamasu also.

Jiren was the first one that actually was treated like he was GoD tier or above.

True, but in Zamasu's case I consider Future Zamasu the sidekick and Goku Black the big bad, at least until they fuse.

[Pannaliciour]

Broly probably will be stronger than Jiren. I think the only time we've had a foe be weaker than the previous one was Beerus to Frieza and Beerus is a huge exception to how this usually works. I wonder how nobody ever noticed that HUGE power?

Good point, Hit was also weaker then Frieza (by manga) and Zamasu also.

Jiren was the first one that actually was treated like he was GoD tier or above.

True, but in Zamasu's case I consider Future Zamasu the sidekick and Goku Black the big bad, at least until they fuse.

How strong was Black really in comparison to the previous foe's?

[BlueBasilisk]

Good point, Hit was also weaker then Frieza (by manga) and Zamasu also.

Jiren was the first one that actually was treated like he was GoD tier or above.

True, but in Zamasu's case I consider Future Zamasu the sidekick and Goku Black the big bad, at least until they fuse.

How strong was Black really in comparison to the previous foe's?

He started out weaker, but by the time he fused with Zamasu he was crazy strong. I think he was definitely stronger than anime Hit at the end. Manga Black I'm honestly not sure. Since we've gotten away from Broly this might be better suited for the power scaling thread.

[Mister_Popo]

The fact we might actually end up legitimately saying that Broly is more powerful than Beerus is pretty unbelievable.

We still don't know how strong Beerus really is, because we have never seen him fighting for his life yet at full potential.
If he's weaker, he may still simply Hakai Broly.

We have seen Beerus all go out in the manga, he used UI but wasn't perfect. He only dodged but didn't attack if I remember correctly. If Broly goes one on one against completed UI then Broly > Beerus I guess

Pretty sure hakai won't work if you are stronger. There are some hax that will work, mafuba and ginyu body swap. But hakai isn't one of that. Freeza vs hakai energy and Vegeta vs Toppo proved that.

Manga and anime are seperate continuities. You cannot use manga as definitive argument for anime facts.

Furthermore it was never stated Hakai cannot be used against stronger foes.

I don't take those things for raw facts. Beerus has proven to be far stronger than we thought several times before.

The fact one hasn't mastered UI or not does not equally means he cannot be weaker than someone who has partially mastered it.

Jiren probably didn't use UI at all, and was a big match still for MUI Goku, so why could a Beerus that partially manages UI still couldn't be a very tough call for MUI Goku?

[AnimeNation101]

Honestly, it makes me really mad that they have not shown any designs or even hints of SSBE, SSJ Blue Kaioken or even Ultra Instinct for that matter. What’s the purpose behind all this secrecy? I know Ultra Instinct at the very least should appear in this movie, and i won’t take him “not appearing” for an answer. So any other excuses for why they aren’t showing them yet?

We do have a confirmed SSG Vegeta though, which is really weird that they revealed him but not his Blue Evolution form.

If Ultra Instinct Goku is not going to appear in this movie i won’t be watching it. Simple as that. They should know that the fans actively desire and prefer him. And i know Toei is all about fanservice because fanservice means money ofcourse.

That won’t matter. It would be a Toriyama choice to not have Ultra Instinct in the movie just like how it would be a Toriyama choice to get Gogeta up in this film to wreck shit.

[Helios518]

So Goku wants to be stronger then he was in the TOP according to the trailer. This means:

1) Goku will be stronger then the complete UI from the TOP

2) Broly will be stronger then Jiren

3) Beerus is worthless (haha)

Wanting something doesn't mean it's going to happen soon or at all. I want a Ferrari, but that's not going to happen.

[1345521]

The fact that we might actually end up legitimately saying that Broly is more powerful than Beerus is pretty unbelievable.

We still don't know how strong Beerus really is, because we have never seen him fighting for his life yet at full potential.
If he's weaker, he may still simply Hakai Broly.

Yes we have seen berrus fight at full power...