1345521 wrote:Yes we have seen berrus fight at full power...Mister_Popo wrote:WittyUsername wrote:The fact that we might actually end up legitimately saying that Broly is more powerful than Beerus is pretty unbelievable.
We still don't know how strong Beerus really is, because we have never seen him fighting for his life yet at full potential.
If he's weaker, he may still simply Hakai Broly.
Because they're not on the character sheets we got.PFM18 wrote:
I thought you said you were under the impression Evolution and Kaioken would show up? What makes you think they won't?
"Furthermore it was never stated Hakai cannot be used against stronger foes"Mister_Popo wrote:Pannaliciour wrote:We have seen Beerus all go out in the manga, he used UI but wasn't perfect. He only dodged but didn't attack if I remember correctly. If Broly goes one on one against completed UI then Broly > Beerus I guessMister_Popo wrote:
We still don't know how strong Beerus really is, because we have never seen him fighting for his life yet at full potential.
If he's weaker, he may still simply Hakai Broly.
Pretty sure hakai won't work if you are stronger. There are some hax that will work, mafuba and ginyu body swap. But hakai isn't one of that. Freeza vs hakai energy and Vegeta vs Toppo proved that.
Manga and anime are seperate continuities. You cannot use manga as definitive argument for anime facts.
Furthermore it was never stated Hakai cannot be used against stronger foes.
I don't take those things for raw facts. Beerus has proven to be far stronger than we thought several times before.
The fact one hasn't mastered UI or not does not equally means he cannot be weaker than someone who has partially mastered it.
Jiren probably didn't use UI at all, and was a big match still for MUI Goku, so why could a Beerus that partially manages UI still couldn't be a very tough call for MUI Goku?
I mean they also havent revealed A lot of things. I think things like Ultra Instinct, Evolution and Kaioken are supposed to be a "surprise" and wont be spoiled.sintzu wrote:Because they're not on the character sheets we got.PFM18 wrote:
I thought you said you were under the impression Evolution and Kaioken would show up? What makes you think they won't?
Why would forms we've already seen be "surprises"? Why would akira make a deisgn sheet for a form he's never even created? akira checks through all drafts, you really think he's going to like EVOLUTION? I doubt he'll even tolerate kaioken since it makes no sense for blue to have it. UI MAY appear though. If they were going to be in, it'd be more expident for toei to show them in the trailers OR character designs sheet. The fact no trailer has shown them Nor has shown in an design templates....idk bro. And then add to the fact it's not a Akira creation (nor was given the "OK" or supervised it like he did with toyotaro SSJ GOD VEGETA) and he's the one writing this movie and I HOPE those forms aren't even brought up at all... I really don't think those two forms will make any appeaence in this movie. But there's porbably going to be aother trialer so let's wait.PFM18 wrote:I mean they also havent revealed A lot of things. I think things like Ultra Instinct, Evolution and Kaioken are supposed to be a "surprise" and wont be spoiled.sintzu wrote:Because they're not on the character sheets we got.PFM18 wrote:
I thought you said you were under the impression Evolution and Kaioken would show up? What makes you think they won't?
Why not? It's a cool transformation after all.1345521 wrote:akira checks through all drafts, you really think he's going to like EVOLUTION?
Ssj5 is an cool transformation and I doubt Akira would allow that, ssj blue evolution is complete garbage. It makes no sense, it's design is trash (vegeta blue with tinted blue hair and eyes and more muscle? Basically like a blue version of assj but with differnt color pallets? Garbage) and overall is only there for vegeta fan service, just like rage is fan service for trunks and kaioken is fan service. None of those forms make no sense and I doubt Akira would allow it because "It's cool". The form has to have some type of explanation just saying he "broke his limits" is not valid at all. Vegeta has broken his limits before, why didn't he get evolution blue. Why didn't goku get evolution? It's just fan service bro. I doubt those forms will make any appearence in this movie. Kaioken has the best chance, and I doubt Akira will allow such an form in since it makes no sense of why blue has kaioken but MSSJ dosent. It's just terrible writing which I hope Akira cracks down on.SSJgogeto wrote:Why not? It's a cool transformation after all.1345521 wrote:akira checks through all drafts, you really think he's going to like EVOLUTION?
These are U7 Saiyans. "Calm and polite" just doesn't work for them 99.99999% of the time. And that rare occurrence is only when they are forced to be by someone else. And what little we have seen of Broly in the trailer, is that he's a VERY intense guy.Noah wrote:I hope normal Broly is not just a generic tough looking Saiyan and yes more like his Toei counterpart: calm and polite.
Borotuo is monthly and it's manga gets adapted.AnimeNation101 wrote:The SDBH anime would fail if the SDBH video game failed because it wouldn’t have any more content since the video game is the thing that gives the story. While the DBS manga can survive without the anime, it still wouldn’t exist without the anime either since its an adaption of it.1345521 wrote:The dbs manga isn't "promotional" for the anime. The dbs manga was PROMOTIONAL for the movies, but once universe 6 arc came around. It became it's own stand alone manga. You're acting like the manga is reliant on the anime. Like if the heroes aracadd game fails, so does the anime since that anime is meant to PROMOTE the game, hence why it's short.AnimeNation101 wrote: Why would a DBS ANIMATED movie be based off of DBS’s promotional manga? Here’s a parallel. The SDBH arcade game is WAY more important and popular than the anime that way made solely to promote it. The promotional stuff will never outshine what they’re promoting. Its the same with DBS. And we already know that this movie isn’t a sequel to the manga because the manga is already gonna get its own adaption of the DBS Broly movie. The manga is already making its own sequel so the animated movie can’t be its sequel.
The manga is a full Monthly publication manga that does it's own thing, it's not meant to promote anything but it's sponsors, and creators (Akira and toyotaro-not toei).if the manga was mere promotional.
First of all, it'd be AHEAD of the anime (no one is going to care about a sorry promo manga that's behind the show. What base would be attracting?)
And give monthly mini chapter about what's going to happen in the upcoming anime events. It wouldn't be a full manga chapter that does it's entirely own thing...LOOL. Plus toyotaro is stated to be akiras SUCESSOR, he isn't no sorry irrvlant promo mangaka. His manga is just as powerful as supers anime, the only differnce is his manga is not nearly as popular a the anime. But they both hold wait as being canon. Some would argue ...nvm. Let me not...
Manga isn't promotional. It's it own thing. And if Akira really likes toyotaro manga and INSIST the movie be made to promote the manga or have things in the movie that's sort of an knod to toyotaro manga. The movie WILL HAVE IT. And nothing about it won't make sense. Movie is made by Akira so he can do whatever the heck he wants with it. I just think of it as Akira wants this movie to PROMOTE the dbs manga since that will be the future of dragon ball. So movies will have things more in line to dbs manga. So people will start to buy the manga of dbs. Once that happens, anime comes in and adapts toyotaro manga (or reboot all of dbs to the manga version). Then dragon ball is adapated of dbs manga and returns to what it was, before. Akira is an manga artist at heart, so I don't see why he wouldn't use his influence to pass down more spotlight and power to his CHOSEN ONE sucessor through this movie.
And here’s your problem. You’re assuming the DBS manga is the “future of Dragon Ball”. Sure it might pass the anime but it can never stay that way. The DBS anime will always be able to catch up to the manga since its on a monthly release. Heck, its literally on V-Jump magazine and that magazine’s core content consistents of only information regarding video/arcade games and the card games based on popular manga. And there are limited numbers of manga titles have been serialized in V Jump. Most of the manga titles in V Jump are the comicalization of the animation and the video/card games. In other words, the DBS manga isn’t a serious manga like Black Clover, My Hero Academia, Naruto, and One Piece that are on Weekly Shonen Jump magazine. The DBS manga’s sales are no where near comparable to that of the series i’ve named because no one really cares about it compared to the anime.
And again, ur assuming that Toriyama wants to promote Toyotaro’s manga with the movie but NOTHING suggests that. There is more stuff against the movie being based off the continuity of the manga. The movie is literally being made by Toriyama and TOEI. Toyotaro has no influence on the movie. So of course Toei, the creators (along with Toriyama) of the DBS anime would follow the anime’s path. Also, i don’t know where you heard this but NO WHERE does it say that Toriyama personally picked out Toyotaro to be his successor. Oh wait! You read it off of DBWiki! Even the link that takes you to saiyansland has a BS article. Toyotaro was hired by Shueisha after he requested to be hired. Toriyama had nothing to do with it. He just went along with it. He likes Toyotaro work. Thats all.
Bottom line. The DBS: Broly movie not a sequel to the DBS manga but it is to the dbs anime since we know that Toei is also making the movie and Toyotaro already plans to have his own adaptation of the story and that will be the manga’s sequel. The DBS manga that WE KNOW will not be the “Future of Dragon Ball”. It will probabaly pass the DBS anime but the way it is now, it won’t sell comparable to the big manga series I’ve named and neither will it overshadow the anime when it comes back because its treated as nothing but a manga adaptation of an anime, unlike regular manga that are the original and have anime adaptations. And then eventually, the anime will pass the manga again. Finally, Toyotaro is not fit for taking the lead of Dragon Ball. He isn’t a good story-teller, seems to have pacing and consistency problems in this writing, and his art isn’t really that dynamic or creative. And again, for the manga to become a serious one that the anime gets based off of, it would need to be moved to Weekly Shonen Jump where there would need to be a new chapter a week. Toyotaro doesn’t have that in him.
It really annoys me when peopl claim that i’ve been spouting nonsense without actually even say what nonsenses i’ve been spouting. And i don’t care WHAT you want to call it. The DBS manga is official a manga adaptation of the DBS anime.1345521 wrote:Borotuo is monthly and it's manga gets adapted.AnimeNation101 wrote:The SDBH anime would fail if the SDBH video game failed because it wouldn’t have any more content since the video game is the thing that gives the story. While the DBS manga can survive without the anime, it still wouldn’t exist without the anime either since its an adaption of it.1345521 wrote: The dbs manga isn't "promotional" for the anime. The dbs manga was PROMOTIONAL for the movies, but once universe 6 arc came around. It became it's own stand alone manga. You're acting like the manga is reliant on the anime. Like if the heroes aracadd game fails, so does the anime since that anime is meant to PROMOTE the game, hence why it's short.
The manga is a full Monthly publication manga that does it's own thing, it's not meant to promote anything but it's sponsors, and creators (Akira and toyotaro-not toei).if the manga was mere promotional.
First of all, it'd be AHEAD of the anime (no one is going to care about a sorry promo manga that's behind the show. What base would be attracting?)
And give monthly mini chapter about what's going to happen in the upcoming anime events. It wouldn't be a full manga chapter that does it's entirely own thing...LOOL. Plus toyotaro is stated to be akiras SUCESSOR, he isn't no sorry irrvlant promo mangaka. His manga is just as powerful as supers anime, the only differnce is his manga is not nearly as popular a the anime. But they both hold wait as being canon. Some would argue ...nvm. Let me not...
Manga isn't promotional. It's it own thing. And if Akira really likes toyotaro manga and INSIST the movie be made to promote the manga or have things in the movie that's sort of an knod to toyotaro manga. The movie WILL HAVE IT. And nothing about it won't make sense. Movie is made by Akira so he can do whatever the heck he wants with it. I just think of it as Akira wants this movie to PROMOTE the dbs manga since that will be the future of dragon ball. So movies will have things more in line to dbs manga. So people will start to buy the manga of dbs. Once that happens, anime comes in and adapts toyotaro manga (or reboot all of dbs to the manga version). Then dragon ball is adapated of dbs manga and returns to what it was, before. Akira is an manga artist at heart, so I don't see why he wouldn't use his influence to pass down more spotlight and power to his CHOSEN ONE sucessor through this movie.
And here’s your problem. You’re assuming the DBS manga is the “future of Dragon Ball”. Sure it might pass the anime but it can never stay that way. The DBS anime will always be able to catch up to the manga since its on a monthly release. Heck, its literally on V-Jump magazine and that magazine’s core content consistents of only information regarding video/arcade games and the card games based on popular manga. And there are limited numbers of manga titles have been serialized in V Jump. Most of the manga titles in V Jump are the comicalization of the animation and the video/card games. In other words, the DBS manga isn’t a serious manga like Black Clover, My Hero Academia, Naruto, and One Piece that are on Weekly Shonen Jump magazine. The DBS manga’s sales are no where near comparable to that of the series i’ve named because no one really cares about it compared to the anime.
And again, ur assuming that Toriyama wants to promote Toyotaro’s manga with the movie but NOTHING suggests that. There is more stuff against the movie being based off the continuity of the manga. The movie is literally being made by Toriyama and TOEI. Toyotaro has no influence on the movie. So of course Toei, the creators (along with Toriyama) of the DBS anime would follow the anime’s path. Also, i don’t know where you heard this but NO WHERE does it say that Toriyama personally picked out Toyotaro to be his successor. Oh wait! You read it off of DBWiki! Even the link that takes you to saiyansland has a BS article. Toyotaro was hired by Shueisha after he requested to be hired. Toriyama had nothing to do with it. He just went along with it. He likes Toyotaro work. Thats all.
Bottom line. The DBS: Broly movie not a sequel to the DBS manga but it is to the dbs anime since we know that Toei is also making the movie and Toyotaro already plans to have his own adaptation of the story and that will be the manga’s sequel. The DBS manga that WE KNOW will not be the “Future of Dragon Ball”. It will probabaly pass the DBS anime but the way it is now, it won’t sell comparable to the big manga series I’ve named and neither will it overshadow the anime when it comes back because its treated as nothing but a manga adaptation of an anime, unlike regular manga that are the original and have anime adaptations. And then eventually, the anime will pass the manga again. Finally, Toyotaro is not fit for taking the lead of Dragon Ball. He isn’t a good story-teller, seems to have pacing and consistency problems in this writing, and his art isn’t really that dynamic or creative. And again, for the manga to become a serious one that the anime gets based off of, it would need to be moved to Weekly Shonen Jump where there would need to be a new chapter a week. Toyotaro doesn’t have that in him.
Toyotaro manga is monthly and on not the best magazine but it's not an adaption of the anime tv show! But I'll do more research on this v jump magazine. A lot of what you said were false or not exactly true...but whatever.
Edit: did some research. The dbs manga isn't like an "film comic" or "anime comic" anymore, it's it own indepent and "Orginal" manga. And I was wrong, it seem that boroto is an weekly manga.
I'll do more research to see if monthly mangas have been adapted into animes
You know... I told you post one comment on the manga forum in which you did and I never replied too (sorry about...AnimeNation101 wrote:It really annoys me when peopl claim that i’ve been spouting nonsense without actually even say what nonsenses i’ve been spouting. And i don’t care WHAT you want to call it. The DBS manga is official a manga adaptation of the DBS anime.1345521 wrote:Borotuo is monthly and it's manga gets adapted.AnimeNation101 wrote: The SDBH anime would fail if the SDBH video game failed because it wouldn’t have any more content since the video game is the thing that gives the story. While the DBS manga can survive without the anime, it still wouldn’t exist without the anime either since its an adaption of it.
And here’s your problem. You’re assuming the DBS manga is the “future of Dragon Ball”. Sure it might pass the anime but it can never stay that way. The DBS anime will always be able to catch up to the manga since its on a monthly release. Heck, its literally on V-Jump magazine and that magazine’s core content consistents of only information regarding video/arcade games and the card games based on popular manga. And there are limited numbers of manga titles have been serialized in V Jump. Most of the manga titles in V Jump are the comicalization of the animation and the video/card games. In other words, the DBS manga isn’t a serious manga like Black Clover, My Hero Academia, Naruto, and One Piece that are on Weekly Shonen Jump magazine. The DBS manga’s sales are no where near comparable to that of the series i’ve named because no one really cares about it compared to the anime.
And again, ur assuming that Toriyama wants to promote Toyotaro’s manga with the movie but NOTHING suggests that. There is more stuff against the movie being based off the continuity of the manga. The movie is literally being made by Toriyama and TOEI. Toyotaro has no influence on the movie. So of course Toei, the creators (along with Toriyama) of the DBS anime would follow the anime’s path. Also, i don’t know where you heard this but NO WHERE does it say that Toriyama personally picked out Toyotaro to be his successor. Oh wait! You read it off of DBWiki! Even the link that takes you to saiyansland has a BS article. Toyotaro was hired by Shueisha after he requested to be hired. Toriyama had nothing to do with it. He just went along with it. He likes Toyotaro work. Thats all.
Bottom line. The DBS: Broly movie not a sequel to the DBS manga but it is to the dbs anime since we know that Toei is also making the movie and Toyotaro already plans to have his own adaptation of the story and that will be the manga’s sequel. The DBS manga that WE KNOW will not be the “Future of Dragon Ball”. It will probabaly pass the DBS anime but the way it is now, it won’t sell comparable to the big manga series I’ve named and neither will it overshadow the anime when it comes back because its treated as nothing but a manga adaptation of an anime, unlike regular manga that are the original and have anime adaptations. And then eventually, the anime will pass the manga again. Finally, Toyotaro is not fit for taking the lead of Dragon Ball. He isn’t a good story-teller, seems to have pacing and consistency problems in this writing, and his art isn’t really that dynamic or creative. And again, for the manga to become a serious one that the anime gets based off of, it would need to be moved to Weekly Shonen Jump where there would need to be a new chapter a week. Toyotaro doesn’t have that in him.
Toyotaro manga is monthly and on not the best magazine but it's not an adaption of the anime tv show! But I'll do more research on this v jump magazine. A lot of what you said were false or not exactly true...but whatever.
Edit: did some research. The dbs manga isn't like an "film comic" or "anime comic" anymore, it's it own indepent and "Orginal" manga. And I was wrong, it seem that boroto is an weekly manga.
I'll do more research to see if monthly mangas have been adapted into animes
) but COPY AND PASTE THIS COMMRNT TO THE MANGA FORUM ASAP so I fans debunk that claim real quick. And yes you did speak a lot of incorrect information but I don't feel like searching through it on my phone. Shaddy wrote:Well no, the manga and anime are both adaptations of Toriyama's plot outline, but the anime was conceived first, and it's very clearly the main event. That much is obvious. I'm sure if they really wanted the manga to stand side-by-side with it they would have gotten a mangaka with more experience who can actually draw as well week-by-week as Toriyama could, even if they weren't just trying to ape his style of art or storytelling.
The pre-production of anime predates the manga by several months. Dragon Ball Super started life as an anime. It more than likely was another push by Bandai to market more transformations, characters and branding in video games and toys, the same way Dragon Ball Kai and the Heroes anime came to be produced, only with Toriyama himself stepping up to make the story. It takes longer to make episodes of a 22-minute anime series than one chapter of a monthy comic, and I see no reason to assume that the manga's first chapter was completed several months before it was even announced to be happening, and if it was, then I'd really have wished they used those extra months to get ahead or even just refine what already was. It is a simple fact that the manga is not where Super started, nor where most of the attention or money has gone.1345521 wrote: You do realize Akira has said mutiple time toyotaro is the one he wants doing his manga? And the manga actually came out first. If you're talking about the films, they are totally differnt. Because the films are not the same as the tv anime as we saw with BoG and RoF. So the anime isn't the "main" continuity since manga and anime are INDEPEDENT of each other.
As with before, this proves nothing. People were drawing Vegeta, Gohan, Broly and even Bardock in the Super Saiyan God transformation before Resurrection F came out. It's not an original idea and Toriyama using it after Toyotaro did doesn't mean he's suddenly "making the manga canon". That'd be like saying that using a SSJ3 Vegeta means Raging Blast is somehow going to play a part in the next part of the story.1345521 wrote:Furthermore, we see this film has ssj god vegeta (manga idea)
So if Goku doesn't use a form, it doesn't exist? This is also making the massive assumtion that if absolutely everything from Super's anime isn't referenced in the movie, that the movie is somehow not canon to the anime. I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous.1345521 wrote:and no appearence of kaioken nor evolution (anime fillers) so this may be the THIRD movie that's totally differnt then the anime.
Kaioken is a technique, it doesn’t have to be on the sheets. We also haven’t seen sheets for battle damaged Goku (or Vegeta) so it’s still too soon to say whether or not those forms will appear.sintzu wrote:Because they're not on the character sheets we got.PFM18 wrote:
I thought you said you were under the impression Evolution and Kaioken would show up? What makes you think they won't?
Please don’t put words into my mouth when you don’t know ANYTHING about me. Thanks.sintzu wrote:Kaioken and Blue evolution probably won't show up. UI is 50/50 at this point.GodVegetto91 wrote:Honestly, it makes me really mad that they have not shown any designs or even hints of SSBE, SSJ Blue Kaioken or even Ultra Instinct for that matter.
If Ultra Instinct Goku is not going to appear in this movie i won’t be watching it. Simple as that.
If that's the case you weren't going to watch it to begin with and this is just an excuse to justify it.
