The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Dragon Ball Gus]

A hypothetical SSJ4 Kafla vs Vegetto Blue (Future Trunks Arc)?

[AhmadHendie]

A hypothetical SSJ4 Kafla vs Vegetto Blue (Future Trunks Arc)?

Based on anime, she wins at LSSJ2. It doesn't make sense, but that's how DBS anime scaling works.

In the mange vegito stumps.

The anime nerfed vegito(power and timer) to oblivion and buffed Kefla due to fan service.

[Nineteen]

Shorty and Scarface (the nightmare Saiyans from the early Z filler episode "Pendulum Room Peril") vs. Nappa

[dragon boss z]

Goku (Manga, ToP) runs the Boo Arc gauntlet. How far does he get?
~ Round 1: Base form
~ Round 2: SSJ
~ Round 3: SSJ2
~ Round 4: SSJ3

-Round 1: After Whis training I think he is above Piccolo at this point in base, so he could beat Yakkon, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, 18, maybe rusty ssj Gohan, and that's probably about it.
-Round 2: Fat Buu to kid Buu
-Round 3:at least Fat Buu, up to Super Buu
-Round 4: around ultimate Gohan to maybe Buuhan if he is lucky. I don't see him beating ssj Vegito.

Though ssj2 Vegeta beating on ssj Black could be an indicator Goku could clear the Buu saga as a ssj2 or at least ssj3, depending on how you think he compares to Vegeta at ssj2.

[AhmadHendie]

Goku (Manga, ToP) runs the Boo Arc gauntlet. How far does he get?
~ Round 1: Base form
~ Round 2: SSJ
~ Round 3: SSJ2
~ Round 4: SSJ3

-Round 1: After Whis training I think he is above Piccolo at this point in base, so he could beat Yakkon, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, 18, maybe rusty ssj Gohan, and that's probably about it.
-Round 2: Fat Buu to kid Buu
-Round 3:at least Fat Buu, up to Super Buu
-Round 4: around ultimate Gohan to maybe Buuhan if he is lucky. I don't see him beating ssj Vegito.

Though ssj2 Vegeta beating on ssj Black could be an indicator Goku could clear the Buu saga as a ssj2 or at least ssj3, depending on how you think he compares to Vegeta at ssj2.

In the manga black didn't have god ki in his base in his first encounter(which means he had a fodder base). When his "divine soul and his mortal body become one" his ssj1 overpowered SSB Vegeta.and then his SSJ1 became SSR.

[dragon boss z]

In the manga black didn't have god ki in his base in his first encounter(which means he had a fodder base). When his "divine soul and his mortal body become one" his ssj1 overpowered SSB Vegeta.and then his SSJ1 became SSR.

Base Black was beating ssj2 Trunks. Trunks said even with the power near current ssj3 Goku he was weaker than Black. Base Black is at least ssj2 tier, and his ssj form is above buu saga ssj3 tier.

[AhmadHendie]

In the manga black didn't have god ki in his base in his first encounter(which means he had a fodder base). When his "divine soul and his mortal body become one" his ssj1 overpowered SSB Vegeta.and then his SSJ1 became SSR.

Base Black was beating ssj2 Trunks. Trunks said even with the power near current ssj3 Goku he was weaker than Black. Base Black is at least ssj2 tier, and his ssj form is above buu saga ssj3 tier.

black was around EoZ Goku in base power(above SSJ3 in base). After his God ki united with the body his base sky rocketed.if vegeta is 75% of Eoz Goku his SSJ2 > would be above black's SSJ1.

Once God ki started taking effect(and thus allowed Black to surpass everyone in base) his SSJ1 rekted SSB Vegeta. Once his base became 100% god ki His SSJ1 Became SSR.


If end of Z SSJ3 Goku is not clearing the buu saga DBS Goku won't be able to do it.

[dragon boss z]

black was around EoZ Goku in base power(above SSJ3 in base). After his God ki united with the body his base sky rocketed.if vegeta is 75% of Eoz Goku his SSJ2 > would be above black's SSJ1.
Once God ki started taking effect(and thus allowed Black to surpass everyone in base) his SSJ1 rekted SSB Vegeta. Once his base became 100% god ki His SSJ1 Became SSR.

Where are you getting this info from? It sounds like head canon to me.
Black just got a zenkai boost, which is why his ssj form started beating Vegeta, and another zenkai boost pushed him to the level to where he could use Rose. There is no mention of him using more of his god ki.

If end of Z SSJ3 Goku is not clearing the buu saga DBS Goku won't be able to do it.

Who says end of Z ssj3 Goku can't clear the buu saga?

[AhmadHendie]

black was around EoZ Goku in base power(above SSJ3 in base). After his God ki united with the body his base sky rocketed.if vegeta is 75% of Eoz Goku his SSJ2 > would be above black's SSJ1.
Once God ki started taking effect(and thus allowed Black to surpass everyone in base) his SSJ1 rekted SSB Vegeta. Once his base became 100% god ki His SSJ1 Became SSR.

Where are you getting this info from? It sounds like head canon to me.
Black just got a zenkai boost, which is why his ssj form started beating Vegeta, and another zenkai boost pushed him to the level to where he could use Rose. There is no mention of him using more of his god ki.

If end of Z SSJ3 Goku is not clearing the buu saga DBS Goku won't be able to do it.

Who says end of Z ssj3 Goku can't clear the buu saga?

Zenkai alone is no where near this powerful. It's zenkai causing the cells of his body to adopt to his soul. Which allows him to use god Ki gradually.

Once his body fully adopted to God ki his SSJ1 became SSR. Black doesn't need SSG to get God Ki.

If 1 zenkai allows SSJ1 to surpass SSB then ultimate gohan should have one shotted buutenks after getting the senzu bean.

https://imgur.com/a/EXzFdwk

Manga chapter 20, Page 17

At this point zenkai is irrelevant. It's only useful to black because it allows his body to gradually start using god ki instead of the body native Mortal Ki. Not because of the boost it's providing.

Eoz SSJ3 Goku clears boo saga. I got confused a bit there. But will lose to Super vegito

Black base with god ki is equal to SSG but without the stamina restraint.

DBS Goku SSJ3 is comparable to SSJ2 Trunks and Ultimate Gohan. So he can't beat Buutenks/Buuhan. He beats Super buu at SSJ3(decisively if he doesn't waste his stamina) and Kid buu/Fat buu at SSJ2

[dragon boss z]

Zenkai alone is no where near this powerful. It's zenkai causing the cells of his body to adopt to his soul. Which allows him to use god Ki gradually.
Once his body fully adopted to God ki his SSJ1 became SSR. Black doesn't need SSG to get God Ki.
If 1 zenkai allows SSJ1 to surpass SSB then ultimate gohan should have one shotted buutenks after getting the senzu bean.

I don't think his zenkai was that big, Vegeta was getting weaker as well due to not having mastery of SSB. When combining SSG with SSB he was even stronger than post zenkai SSR Black, let alone ssj. So even after his zenkai SSR Black is weaker than full potential SSB Vegeta.

https://imgur.com/a/EXzFdwk
Manga chapter 20, Page 17
At this point zenkai is irrelevant. It's only useful to black because it allows his body to gradually start using god ki instead of the body native Mortal Ki. Not because of the boost it's providing.

Maybe it's both. It was stated he was getting boosts from his saiyan cells and that was the major reason Toyotaro was presenting.

Eoz SSJ3 Goku clears boo saga. I got confused a bit there. But will lose to Super vegito

I can agree with that.

Black base with god ki is equal to SSG but without the stamina restraint.

Maybe, but there is really no proof of that. His base was weaker than ssj2 Vegeta and we never saw him use his base after he unlocked SSR. Right before Goku and Vegeta came back to the future again Trunks attacked base Black and the next time we see them a few panels later SSR Black is holding Trunks by the neck. If base Black was SSG level, I don't see why he would have had to transform at all to do that to Trunks.

DBS Goku SSJ3 is comparable to SSJ2 Trunks and Ultimate Gohan. So he can't beat Buutenks/Buuhan. He beats Super buu at SSJ3(decisively if he doesn't waste his stamina) and Kid buu/Fat buu at SSJ2

That's pretty much where I put him.

[AhmadHendie]

Zenkai alone is no where near this powerful. It's zenkai causing the cells of his body to adopt to his soul. Which allows him to use god Ki gradually.
Once his body fully adopted to God ki his SSJ1 became SSR. Black doesn't need SSG to get God Ki.
If 1 zenkai allows SSJ1 to surpass SSB then ultimate gohan should have one shotted buutenks after getting the senzu bean.

I don't think his zenkai was that big, Vegeta was getting weaker as well due to not having mastery of SSB. When combining SSG with SSB he was even stronger than post zenkai SSR Black, let alone ssj. So even after his zenkai SSR Black is weaker than full potential SSB Vegeta.

https://imgur.com/a/EXzFdwk
Manga chapter 20, Page 17
At this point zenkai is irrelevant. It's only useful to black because it allows his body to gradually start using god ki instead of the body native Mortal Ki. Not because of the boost it's providing.

Maybe it's both. It was stated he was getting boosts from his saiyan cells and that was the major reason Toyotaro was presenting.

Eoz SSJ3 Goku clears boo saga. I got confused a bit there. But will lose to Super vegito

I can agree with that.

Black base with god ki is equal to SSG but without the stamina restraint.

Maybe, but there is really no proof of that. His base was weaker than ssj2 Vegeta and we never saw him use his base after he unlocked SSR. Right before Goku and Vegeta came back to the future again Trunks attacked base Black and the next time we see them a few panels later SSR Black is holding Trunks by the neck. If base Black was SSG level, I don't see why he would have had to transform at all to do that to Trunks.

DBS Goku SSJ3 is comparable to SSJ2 Trunks and Ultimate Gohan. So he can't beat Buutenks/Buuhan. He beats Super buu at SSJ3(decisively if he doesn't waste his stamina) and Kid buu/Fat buu at SSJ2

That's pretty much where I put him.

I agree with most of what you said.

About black being equal to SSG. Keep in mind rose is only a measly x50 multiplier(it's just the regular SSJ1 after his body adopted god ki). So if SSR = SSB then base black would be equal to SSG in the anime or 1/10~5 of SSG in the manga.

SSG is a form that allows the base to use God ki. It doesn't amplify his power. The boost in power comes from god ki.

[dragon boss z]

About black being equal to SSG. Keep in mind rose is only a measly x50 multiplier(it's just the regular SSJ1 after his body adopted god ki). So if SSR = SSB then base black would be equal to SSG in the anime or 1/10~5 of SSG in the manga.

I don't even it's even a x50 multiplier. Black going ssj barely made him stronger as he went from losing to ssj2 Vegeta to still losing, and then after the zenkai he was winning with ssj, and then went Rose and just went to winning a bit more instead of complete stomping. Manga Black's transformations seem to not give that big of a boost. And we know even full power Blue is less than 10x stronger than SSG in the manga since SSG Goku was above 10% SSB Vegeta.

[AhmadHendie]

About black being equal to SSG. Keep in mind rose is only a measly x50 multiplier(it's just the regular SSJ1 after his body adopted god ki). So if SSR = SSB then base black would be equal to SSG in the anime or 1/10~5 of SSG in the manga.

I don't even it's even a x50 multiplier. Black going ssj barely made him stronger as he went from losing to ssj2 Vegeta to still losing, and then after the zenkai he was winning with ssj, and then went Rose and just went to winning a bit more instead of complete stomping. Manga Black's transformations seem to not give that big of a boost. And we know even full power Blue is less than 10x stronger than SSG in the manga since SSG Goku was above 10% SSB Vegeta.

I think the super saiyan form can't amplify god Ki to the same extant it does mortal ki. It multiplies your mortal ki by 50x but it can only multiply God ki by x5(which is why SSGSS is not x50 SSG and why black transformation don't make him that much stronger).

[PFM18]

Technically it's 3.5 years between ToP and EoZ.

Their are contradictions that can be ignored. Even if super continues until age 783(one year before EoZ) this contradiction isn't sufficent for the EoZ being non cannon.

*there

This isn't a matter of calling EoZ "canon" or "non canon." Call it whatever you want but EoZ assumes that nothing happened in the 10 year time skip and that it was peaceful. We can clearly see in Super that is not the case. The Earth has been in jeopardy several times since Buu was defeated and it is acknowledged during EoZ as though nothing has happened. Bulma hasn't seen Goku in 5 years or so and clearly she saw him during the Black Arc and the ToP that happen within 5 years of EoZ. With Super, it makes 0 sense for Goku to be excited to fight somebody who is Buu level. However, even taking Super into account, it makes sense that Buu would be happy to fight and train somebody with the potential of Buu given how much emphasis is placed on it.

The manga is scaling him consistently and in line with EoZ. The anime one day scales him as taking out Gotenks like a trash bag, and in another day it makes his fist tingle from fighting roshi and his base equal to Caulifla.

The anime is also portraying his strength consistently; it is far beyond anything they ever saw in Z. There's nothing inconsistent about Goku's base being above SSJ3 Gotenks and simultaneously equal to Caulifla. Nothing is contradicted there. Caulifla is just really strong, that is all this means. Basic example of power creep and how that functions in anime. As far as the Roshi thing is concerned:

1. The lady controlling Roshi made his ki/aura flare up which obviously indicates he was stronger than he would be had he not been controlled.
2. We don't know that Goku was using his full-power in base and there is little reason to think he was.

The reason why his base is strong(sometimes) is due to absorbing god essence/his body getting used to SSG.

Yeah his body got used to the SSG power and through experience made that power his own.

Even if we scale SSG BoG = SSJ1 Goku. That's an absurd boost(and an impossible one to achieve with training alone in such a short time)

It is a very large boost but there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing contradictory about it or inconsistent in any way. Especially given the prestige associated with the ritual. And no, that boost is possible to achieve with training as shown by Vegeta in the 6 months with Whis. Vegeta gained at least as much power as Goku did during that time.

and having it would make SSJ2 F.Trunks and Ultimate Gohan SSG tier despite not doing any thing to get there.

Ultimate Gohan was ToP SSB tier so there's certainly nothing contradicted there. SSJ2 Future Trunks is a hybrid Saiyan with tons of potential that had been training for the previous 13 years.

The manga is more consistent and makes sense with power scaling.

That is certainly debatable.

If we take the anime crab seriously, we would have to scale a guy who struggled with dabura to be above super Vegito(Buuhan base × 100).

He struggled with Dabura at some point during the 13 years and obviously got considerably stronger since then especially during his constant fighting with Black pushing him to his limits and what not. The story does not imply in any way that he had struggled with Dabura while simultaneously being stronger than SSJ Vegetto. He struggled with Dabura and then presumably many years later, became stronger than SSJ Vegetto. Nothing inconsistent or contradictory here.

Without Goku Absorbing God ki he is not going to beat Gotenks in base. He would need to get x1600 at least in base which is not happening without god ki. And unless uub is over 10x stronger than kid buu as a child, he shouldn't be putting up a fight against a base Goku that is above SSJ3 Gotenks.

Goku never had God Ki in his base and after he got the boost from the ritual he had regular ki. Base Goku didn't necessarily have to be going all out anyway.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Shorty and Scarface (the nightmare Saiyans from the early Z filler episode "Pendulum Room Peril") vs. Nappa

Nappa one shots. Those two were on the level the Z Fighters expected the Saiyans to be, and Nappa is far above what they expected.

-Round 1: After Whis training I think he is above Piccolo at this point in base, so he could beat Yakkon, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, 18, maybe rusty ssj Gohan, and that's probably about it.
-Round 2: Fat Buu to kid Buu
-Round 3:at least Fat Buu, up to Super Buu
-Round 4: around ultimate Gohan to maybe Buuhan if he is lucky. I don't see him beating ssj Vegito.

Though ssj2 Vegeta beating on ssj Black could be an indicator Goku could clear the Buu saga as a ssj2 or at least ssj3, depending on how you think he compares to Vegeta at ssj2.

Wasn't beating Fat or Pure Boo as a SSJ a feat he could achieve prior to achieving God forms though? Chapter 1 shows him about to fight Pure Boo in image training as a SSJ.

[Noah]

Shorty and Scarface (the nightmare Saiyans from the early Z filler episode "Pendulum Room Peril") vs. Nappa

They seem to be at Raditz level or weaker, so Nappa would obliterate them.

[AhmadHendie]

*there

This isn't a matter of calling EoZ "canon" or "non canon." Call it whatever you want but EoZ assumes that nothing happened in the 10 year time skip and that it was peaceful. We can clearly see in Super that is not the case. The Earth has been in jeopardy several times since Buu was defeated and it is acknowledged during EoZ as though nothing has happened. Bulma hasn't seen Goku in 5 years or so and clearly she saw him during the Black Arc and the ToP that happen within 5 years of EoZ. With Super, it makes 0 sense for Goku to be excited to fight somebody who is Buu level. However, even taking Super into account, it makes sense that Buu would be happy to fight and train somebody with the potential of Buu given how much emphasis is placed on it.

Still not enough to disqualify EoZ.

There where no Majn buu level threats. Frieza and beerus where over within one day. Both of them will probably become allies.

Timeline inconsistency is a minor polt hole.

The anime is also portraying his strength consistently; it is far beyond anything they ever saw in Z. There's nothing inconsistent about Goku's base being above SSJ3 Gotenks and simultaneously equal to Caulifla. Nothing is contradicted there. Caulifla is just really strong, that is all this means. Basic example of power creep and how that functions in anime. As far as the Roshi thing is concerned:

1. The lady controlling Roshi made his ki/aura flare up which obviously indicates he was stronger than he would be had he not been controlled.
2. We don't know that Goku was using his full-power in base and there is little reason to think he was.

They are super inconsistent about it.

In episode 89 gohan got his old Ultimate form.

In episode 90 he kicked SSJ2 Goku ass.

From having a supposedly a super Vegito tier base to losing to ultimate Gohan at SSJ2

Yeah his body got used to the SSG power and through experience made that power his own.

I treat this as retconned along with the SSG being universal, SSG being 60% of beerus.

It is a very large boost but there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing contradictory about it or inconsistent in any way. Especially given the prestige associated with the ritual. And no, that boost is possible to achieve with training as shown by Vegeta in the 6 months with Whis. Vegeta gained at least as much power as Goku did during that time.

I have no problem with a strong base. But in super they are inconsistent about it.

Ultimate Gohan was ToP SSB tier so there's certainly nothing contradicted there. SSJ2 Future Trunks is a hybrid Saiyan with tons of potential that had been training for the previous 13 years.

Ultimate Gohan is SSJ3 tier. Like the manga scales him to be

Unless his fight with kefla pushes him to a new level.

He struggled with Dabura at some point during the 13 years and obviously got considerably stronger since then especially during his constant fighting with Black pushing him to his limits and what not. The story
does not imply in any way that he had struggled with Dabura while simultaneously being stronger than SSJ Vegetto. He struggled with Dabura and then presumably many years later, became stronger than SSJ Vegetto. Nothing inconsistent or contradictory here.

He never became above SSJ vegito. On his BEST day he is below DBZ ultimate gohan in the manga and anime.(apart from his stupid SSJ2 rage form)He can train with the supreme kai all his life and he won't match super vegito from Z(unless he unlocks SSJ4/SSG/SSGSS)


Is gohan Soloing buu saga here despite being stated to be below his Z ultimate form here ? Or is this the classic goku holding back excuse despite the fight not going in his favour ? How is a Gohan who is stated to be below Ultimate gohan and even piccolo matching the super saiyan version of a guy with supposedly super vegito base ? Or maybe it's that base goku is only marginally stronger than his Z base and below EoZ Goku ?


https://youtu.be/qQloUPRz_c8

Scaling DBS Base Goku to be below EoZ isn't just the only thing that makes sense continuity wise. It also is the only thing that makes sense in DBS unless you want to high ball F.Trunks/Roshi/Gohan/Caulifla/cabba/krillin to a retarded degree.

The manga scaling of base Goku is the correct one and sooner or later the anime will stop the rare occasions of mis-scaling goku(it's literary that one fight with gotenks in that filler arc.and the other moneka filler episode.)and follow that . Until then I will follow the Canon Torayama's scaling of EoZ base Goku to determine DBS Goku base form power.

It's not like EoZ goku is weak or anything. Caulifla matching 75% of his power is VERY impressive from a young gang leader.Goku trained himself to death to reach this level . Lets not forget EoZ goku is 400~500 times stronger than Z goku in base power.

*Filler = no outline from torayama.

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Still not enough to disqualify EoZ.

There where no Majn buu level threats. Frieza and beerus where over within one day. Both of them will probably become allies.

Timeline inconsistency is a minor polt hole.

Goku had still fought quite the list of characters that were stronger than Majin Buu so him being excited about fighting somebody who is Buu level just doesn't make sense. At the end of the day EoZ considers 10 years of peace and we had several threats to the Earth. As far as each lasting a day, Buu didn't last much if any longer than that.

Even if you insist upon considering EoZ, it still fits if you look at it from the perspective of being excited to train/fight somebody with that much potential and not necessarily with somebody of that level of power.

They are super inconsistent about it.

In episode 89 gohan got his old Ultimate form.

In episode 90 he kicked SSJ2 Goku ass.

From having a Buuhan level tier base to losing to ultimate Gohan at SSJ2

There is nothing insconsistent about that. Gohan is massively stronger than his Z self. He briefly competes with SSB Gok before being one shot by SSBKK. Later during the Tournament he is at least able to compete with SSB level characters and is consistently shown to be close to but not as strong as SSB.

He re-attained his "Ultimate form" and then they have this entire dialogue about reaching another level and continuing to train with Piccolo. Then the next day he competes with SSB. It is clear that the implication is ToP Ultimate Gohan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buu Arc Ultimate Gohan.

I treat this as retconned along with the SSG being universal, SSG being 60% of beerus.

The 60% line was very obviously retconned from the movies. It was excluded from the BoG for this reason, but there is no evidence for either of the other two to be retconned.

I have no problem with a strong base. But in super they are inconsistent about it.

You have shown a grand total of 0 examples of them being objectively inconsistent about it.

He never became above SSJ vegito. On his BEST day he is equal to SSJ3 Gotenks and below Z Ultimate Gohan. He can train with the supreme kai all his life and he won't match super vegito from Z(unless he unlcoks SSJ4/SSG/SSGSS)

...yeah this is just your head canon with nothing objective backing it up whatsoever.

Is gohan Soloing buu saga here despite being stated to be below his Z ultimate form here ? Or is this classic goku holding back excuse despite the fight not going in his favour ? How is a Gohan who is stated to be below Ultimate gohan and even piccolo matching the super saiyan version of a guy with supposedly super vegito base ? Or maybe it's that base goku is only marginally stronger than his Z base and below EoZ Goku ?

A. He isn't necessarily even weaker than his Buu Arc self. The statement about re-attaining "the power he used against Buu" could easily refer to his "Ultimate" form and not that level of power itself. He had been training(not entirely often) with Piccolo since RoF.
B. Goku literally admits to holding back. They fight evenly in base, and Goku admits to holding back. Then, they continue to fight evenly as SSJs. The obvious logical deduction is that he continued to hold back against his son who he is casually sparring against.
C. Trying to invalidate the level of power he was portrayed at for the entirety of the series by a 1 minute gag scene is insane. The scene's purpose was for the sake of the gag that they had destroyed the farm land. It was literally a 1 minute gag scene and cannot be used to make over-archng conclusions about the power scaling across the series.

The manga scaling of base Goku is the correct one

There is no "correct" one. They are each their own continuity.

the anime will stop the rare occasions of mis-scaling goku(it's literary that one fight with gotenks in that filler arc.and the other moneka filler episode.)and follow that .

The anime is being consistent with what was shown in BoG where Goku attained the same level of power as SSG in his normal SSJ form. Since he received such a boost, his base SHOULD be able to dominate SSJ3 Gotenks and give Beerus a relatively fun fight. It would have been an inconsistency if he DIDN'T dominate SSJ3 Gotenks in his base.

Also, his base being as weak as you are portraying just isn't supported at all. Those aren't the only examples of Goku's base being portrayed as super strong. They CONSISTENTLY show that when Goku is trying in his base, he is incredibly strong. The examples you forgot to include are:

1. 1st Form Freeza dominates everybody, and since we know from the Namek Arc, 1st Form->Final Form constitutes a 113x boost in power, he became over a hundred times stronger. Then, Base Goku fights evenly with him. This shows that Base Goku is at a bare minimum, 113x stronger than everybody else. (SSJ Gohan, Piccolo etc, SSJ Gotenks.)
2. While in Base, Goku doesn't even appear to be exerting effort but he still competes with a Majin Buu that is vastly stronger after training.

[dragon boss z]

Wasn't beating Fat or Pure Boo as a SSJ a feat he could achieve prior to achieving God forms though? Chapter 1 shows him about to fight Pure Boo in image training as a SSJ.

He never actually fought Buu, he had to save Goten right before they started fighting, and I'm not sure if image training is the best indicator. Frieza image trained killing Goku, that doesn't mean he actually could do it.

[PFM18]

Wasn't beating Fat or Pure Boo as a SSJ a feat he could achieve prior to achieving God forms though? Chapter 1 shows him about to fight Pure Boo in image training as a SSJ.

He never actually fought Buu, he had to save Goten right before they started fighting, and I'm not sure if image training is the best indicator. Frieza image trained killing Goku, that doesn't mean he actually could do it.

Yeah I agree. People put WAY too much stock into image training.