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Re: Dragon Ball Minus is not bad.

Post by VegettoEX » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:49 am

mute_proxy wrote:He adapted a specific shot depicting the special's events in his original manga, so yes.
Yeah, it seemed like a completely logical extrapolation to me, as well.

He depicted that very special's events and went on record for multiple decades with the aforementioned consistent praise for the overall special and very specific elements of it.
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Re: Dragon Ball Minus is not bad.

Post by Doctor. » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:26 am

It's awful. The biggest crime in Minus is that it makes Goku special. That devalues most of his achievements throughout the original series, especially the ones in the Saiyan arc.

And yes, there is a plot hole in Minus. Bardock stole a pod. How could Raditz ever find it and know it's Goku? Through Freeza? Then how did Freeza not know about Goku?

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Re: Dragon Ball Minus is not bad.

Post by Luso Saiyan » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:01 am

mute_proxy wrote:He adapted a specific shot depicting the special's events in his original manga, so yes.
Yes, a shot. Doesn't mean the entire special reflects his views of the events, characters and story. He simply liked it a lot so he inserted two frames of Bardock's last moments from the TV special. That's all the two have in common (as far as we know).
VegettoEX wrote:Yeah, it seemed like a completely logical extrapolation to me, as well.
The extrapolation may be logical but it's still an extrapolation. All we were meant to think is that Goku's father made a last stand against Freeza before he destroyed planet Vegeta, which is what Toriyama included in his work. And that's still true with Minus.

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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:05 am

Luso Saiyan wrote:The extrapolation may be logical but it's still an extrapolation. All we were meant to think is that Goku's father made a last stand against Freeza before he destroyed planet Vegeta, which is what Toriyama included in his work. And that's still true with Minus.
You're just explaining my explanation back at me with less context than I originally provided.
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Post by Luso Saiyan » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:14 am

I'm just bringing the point home. The argument made by mute_proxy was that just because Toriyama liked the special and put two specific panels in his work, we were to think that the events, characters and story of the special to be true. My point is that no, we aren't meant to think that. As you've said, to think that would be an extrapolation.

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Re: Dragon Ball Minus is not bad.

Post by Gaffer Tape » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:26 pm

I've been fortunate enough to be able to express my opinions on Minus in posts, in videos, and even in Kanzenshuu's own DB 30th Anniversary magazine, so I do run the risk of restating things I've been saying for four years. Suffice it to say, I don't like it. I think it's a complete travesty, and the best part, from a critical standpoint, is that you can easily find fault with it from so many angles. It almost sounds perverse to say, but it's almost exciting in how many ways it fails because there are so many opportunities to find "this is what not to do when telling a story" lessons.

But I'm not here for that today. What's been fascinating me of late is using "it's just a short bonus chapter, so how can you expect anything good from it?" as a defense. That kind of mentality bothers me, both because it's not really a defense so much as damning with faint praise, and because it's addressing people's criticisms by deflecting the subject away from the criticisms and rendering any further criticisms invalid by this loophole. It's not as good as it could be because it's not long enough to tell its story, but it's not fair to criticize it for that because it's not long enough to tell its story. It's basically a circular argument.

Let's look at Trunks: The Story, Toriyama's bonus chapter from the '90s, which is basically the antecedent for Dragon Ball Minus. All of the mistakes Toriyama makes in Minus are the same mistakes he had already made here. And then look at The Trunks Special, the anime adaptation of that same chapter. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who prefers Trunks: The Story over The Trunks Special. And you might be quick to rush to the same defense, that The Trunks Special has more time to tell its story. And that's not untrue. They make great use of the extra time. But The Trunks Special inadvertently reveals what the real problem is. What The Trunks Special does is turn Trunks: The "Story" into an actual story. Because it wasn't, despite the name. It was just a collection of background events that we already knew: Gohan trained Trunks, Gohan was killed, Trunks uses a time machine. All Trunks: The Story does is take those background elements and draw them onto a page. Doing that, and putting the word "Story" into your title, does not automatically turn it into a story. It's a novelty getting to see younger Trunks and Future Gohan. It's a fanservicey window into a terrible future. But it does not stand alone as a story. As a properly-utilized flashback in a chapter of Dragon Ball, it might have worked to supplement a narrative thread there. But it doesn't work as a story on its own, which is how it is presented.

The Trunks Special, however, does take that and turn it into its own story. By exploring that world in greater detail and tweaking some specifics, they're able to focus those elements into a character arc for Trunks. It's a journey for him, one that demonstrates how he becomes the person we see in the main series. He breaks away from the safety net of his mother, crossing the threshold into danger and adulthood. As one of the last people with the potential to become a Super Saiyan, he has a great responsibility thrust onto him but struggles to reach that potential. He finally does but only a great cost. Then he has to deal with his own hubris and desire for revenge, to finally understand just how over his head he is, to become humble enough to reach out to those who might be able to help him. None of that is present in Trunks: The Story. The kernels of the final point are kinda there but sped through so much that it's not even remotely effective. The Trunks Special, like The Bardock Special before it, takes us on the journey of a character finding himself, learning, growing, and failing. Trunks: The Story just regurgitates plot points we already knew that lead to an inevitable conclusion: Trunks travels back to the past, so here a few things that happened before that.

And those are the same sins that Minus commits. It's not interested in telling a story. There is no story. There are simply bullet points of backstory drawn for our convenience. There are no characters. There is no progression. There is no point. While it does "reveal" a few things we certainly didn't know, it's nothing that's really important to Dragon Ball's story, and it's not anything that's given the opportunity to be fleshed out enough to be interesting on its own. Who is Bardock? I don't know. I don't spend enough time with him. Who is Gine? I don't know. I don't spend enough time with her. What is it about Bardock that makes him the only Saiyan capable of figuring out what Freeza's up to? Is he smarter than the average Saiyan? Are all the other Saiyans dumb? I don't know. There's no chance to explore it. We don't have time to think about that. We have to make a mad dash for the ending here.

I'm sure you're all saying that proves your point. The Trunks Special has an unfair advantage in extra time. Dragon Ball Minus just doesn't have enough page space to fully explore these concepts. And you'd be right. But that's not an excuse. When you use a medium that is not suited to telling the story you want to tell, that doesn't give you a free pass to tell that story badly. That's just setting yourself up for failure. Pretty much any medium is capable of telling a compelling story. But it has to be the right story for the medium. Hell, newspaper comic strips are intended to do that in three panels! But if you tried to tell The Lord of the Rings in three panels, I daresay you'd be hard pressed to make it work. It is far too complex to engagingly tell that story in that medium. Now, of course, there are serialized comic strips. It's not really a format I care for to tell that kind of story, but even they're not trying to tell it in three panels. They're telling it over the course of months, years. Because for all the protestations of "This is only 15 pages!" coming from DB Minus defenders, all of Dragon Ball is in the 15-page format. Toriyama just never typically tried to tell a complete story in 15 pages. Because that would be ridiculous. Why does this get a pass for trying to cram an epic story of betrayal and resistance and establishing two completely unknown characters into 15 pages? Even the first chapter of Dragon Ball, which was only the introduction to a story but still had to establish two characters and the concept of the Dragon Balls, was given twice as much room as this. Hell, even Jaco, which is a comparatively smaller, more intimate story, was given ten times the space as this. As if the deck wasn't stacked against it already, Dragon Ball Minus wastes about four pages just showing fanservice and wasting time. It cuts to Freeza, not to explore his motivations, his fears, or anything like that, but just so he can exposit that he is indeed going to destroy Planet Vegeta, and so he can name drop Super Saiyan God. It cuts away to Raditz and Vegeta just so we can know what they look like as kids. It cuts away to Jaco, just so we can see that Jaco is assigned to go to earth, which we presumably already know because we just got done reading his story! I'm not saying that even that would have been enough space to really flesh out the attempt at story here, but it certainly would have helped. This needed focus to even have a prayer at developing anything engaging. But not only did it not have nearly the space it needed to tell that story, it couldn't even effectively use the space it had!

I'm a fan of silent films. And recently, I got to see the seminal Harold Lloyd comedy Safety Last! in theatres. It was a fantastic experience and reminded me just how effectively you can tell a story even if you don't have any audible dialogue. It's almost exclusively visual humor, visual storytelling, visual characterization, with just a few intertitles and personal letters to convey dialogue when necessary. A couple of days later, I watched Pulp Fiction. If you've seen that movie, you know that it is primarily dialogue. It is witty banter, characterization through verbal interaction. Just imagine trying to make Pulp Fiction into a silent film. Oh, there are definitely ways you could do it. You could present it exactly the same way and just present all the dialogue as intertitles. And then you'd have the most boring movie in existence, and you'd make it about five hours long. All of that energy present in seeing two fantastic actors verbally sparring with each other would be reduced to watching two people sitting in a booth for minutes on end never moving, silently flapping their gums, and then cutting to a black screen with words every thirty seconds to find out what it is they said. You probably could tell a similar story silently, but it would require huge amounts of reworking to present the same kinds of characterization in a way that is both visually interesting and capable of being understood with limited dialogue. And that's a huge, huge change to make a story like that and would require an exceptional amount of talent and care. In other words, the first example completely misses the expectations and limitations of the medium and tries to force a story that doesn't fit into that box. And the result is a disaster.

So I agree with all of you who say that you can't expect the same kind of detailed, epic story Dragon Ball usually tells in 15 pages. I just wish somebody had told Toriyama that, so he wouldn't have pushed along with it anyway, with predictable results.
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Re: Dragon Ball Minus is not bad.

Post by Grimlock » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:10 pm

Master Xar wrote:(...) looking at it for what it’s supposed to be and it’s purpose. It’s a simple. Clear and Cut bonus chapter meant to give a short Toriyama take on Bardock and Planet Vegeta’s destruction. It’s not meant to be a big, fleshed out story.
This alone makes Dragon Ball Minus extremely bad though. If you had spent time on eleven chapters to tell an aparent random story, you can do the same to tell the origins of Goku, the protagonist. But you can never reduce it to a mere ~15 pages and end it without showing, explaining and telling your audience what truly happened in the past.

Dragon Ball Minus did not bring anything worthwhile to the table except for Gine, but that ain't saying much because we can't tell from her brief appearance who she really was. All it did was to piss all over Bardock's TV Special and its greatness of a storytelling and emotion that it delivered in a so majestic way. As I mentioned above you can't tell us something about the Saiyans in a short chapter, they are not nobody, they are the race from where the main protagonist comes from and an interesting one for that matter, you have to delve into their lore maybe not so much in details but you have to give a little more than the shallowness that is Dragon Ball Minus.

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Post by GT_Goten10 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:18 pm

It really isn’t that bad
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Post by AnimeNation101 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:39 pm

Master Xar wrote:
AnimeNation101 wrote:
mute_proxy wrote:
Bulletpoints:

1.) Alien

2.) A baby

3.) Sent by parents

4.) Sense/fear of danger by father

5.) Space pod

6.) Powerful race

7.) Destruction of origin planet along with parents

8.) Baby found by someone elderly living on countryside

9.) Baby growing up to become the strongest being on Earth and it's protector

10.) Fighting the few remaining beings of his own race who are villains

Guess who's story that is.
Its so unoriginal it hurts. This makes Goku fans look bad in the eyes of Superman fans. Nothing more than an anime copy. Heck, people were already calling goku the Superman of anime before DBS downgraded his smarts and maturity.
Yeah with his basic as hell summary of it yes. But if you actually look and pay attention to both their stories they are opposites outside of the concepts listed. Also why do you even care if Superman fans view Goku? They think anyone that has an alien background sent to Earth is basically the same as Superman, or at least the ignorant fans do. Superman fans that aren’t ignorant won’t say this lol.
It may be basic but clearly these points are noticeable enough because most of the db community dislikes DBMinus because it “Superman-izes” Goku and his story. And i don’t really care about how SP fans few Goku fans. Vegeta is the best.
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Post by WittyUsername » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:44 pm

Master Xar wrote:
mute_proxy wrote:People mainly hate it because it "over-Superman'ised" Goku's origins, which is true :roll: alien parents send a baby to earth in a pod (who later becomes it's hero) to protect from oncoming doom, then die along with the planet. That sh*t doesnt happen just on accident. But I mean future Trunks was inspired by Terminator, so who am I to judge lol
Again. Outside of the bulletpoints.

1.) Alien

2.) incredibly powerful races

3.) heroes of their own story


They couldn’t be anymore different. The only difference here being that Goku is sent to survive on a crappy planet rather than be purposely sent as a destroyer. Which served the narrative of Vegeta’s elite class and organized life vs. Goku’s low-class and disorganized life. Being sent from his parents doesn’t change the fact that he’d have grown up to be a murderous Saiyan warrior and destroy the planet if he didn’t hit his head. They even sent him out of both survival and the fact that it’d be easier to take over.

Not just one motivation to send Goku to Earth.
Didn’t either Bardock or Gine specifically tell Goku not to look at the full moon when he’s on Earth? Wouldn’t that suggest that they didn’t want him to trash the planet?

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Post by Zephyr » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:20 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:What's been fascinating me of late is using "it's just a short bonus chapter, so how can you expect anything good from it?" as a defense. That kind of mentality bothers me, both because it's not really a defense so much as damning with faint praise, and because it's addressing people's criticisms by deflecting the subject away from the criticisms and rendering any further criticisms invalid by this loophole. It's not as good as it could be because it's not long enough to tell its story, but it's not fair to criticize it for that because it's not long enough to tell its story. It's basically a circular argument.
I know I've trudged out something similar to this defense, myself, recently. So I think it's worth putting that into context with reference to your points here.

Yes, Dragon Ball Minus is not a story, because 15 pages is not enough for Toriyama to tell a story. That does make it bad, in that its a useless, Wiki-bait fan-servicey addendum to an actual story. But that does preclude it from being a bad story: because it's not a story. It's a bad addendum, not a bad story (you could argue that being an addendum at best, that failing to actually be a story, does make it a bad story, and I wouldn't be compelled to disagree). You yourself described why this distinction is important: while the plot beats present add up to a bad addendum to a story, that doesn't mean they're inherently antithetical to comprising an actual story, as the difference between Trunks: The Story and the Trunks TV Special shows.

What gets my goose, and motivates me to "defend" Minus here in the first place, is how so many people in the fandom have reacted to seeing references to Minus in the trailer for the new Broly film (and, well, the idea of a new Broly film in the first place). There are far too many cases of immediate, on-principle, dismissal of utilizing these ideas in an actual story; it feels like an implicit sentiment of "Minus is incapable of getting a Trunks TV Special treatment". And I've got no special love for Minus or anything, it's not like I'm upset that my precious bonus chapter isn't being given its fair shot or anything like that. It just feels completely irrational, and that's irksome to me.

And that feels like a microcosm of the "oh fuck no, a new Broly movie? RIP Dragon Ball!" sentiment that I've been seeing. If the original run of the manga showed anything, it's that there are no inherently bad ideas. It's how you execute them. Superman-ifying Son Goku is really dumb on paper, but it was made to work back in the Saiyan arc. I earnestly believe that if you can make that work, you can, in theory, make anything work, even Broly, and even "Goku's parents actually loved him". That doesn't mean its guaranteed or anything, of course, but the on-principle aversion just feels silly to me. And that's why it's important that Minus be lambasted for what it actually is.

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Zephyr wrote:But that does preclude it from being a bad story: because it's not a story. It's a bad addendum, not a bad story (you could argue that being an addendum at best, that failing to actually be a story, does make it a bad story, and I wouldn't be compelled to disagree).
I think your own devil's advocate back against yourself is where I'm falling on this. Making up a separate definition to cover it shouldn't and doesn't give it a "get out of jail free card". A poorly-executed product is a poorly-executed product, no matter the original intent behind it, circumstances surrounding it (and its production), etc. What matters in the end is what we see on the page and how its works with the rest of what it's a part of; I personally think it fails on every single front.
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Post by Zephyr » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:08 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Zephyr wrote:But that does preclude it from being a bad story: because it's not a story. It's a bad addendum, not a bad story (you could argue that being an addendum at best, that failing to actually be a story, does make it a bad story, and I wouldn't be compelled to disagree).
I think your own devil's advocate back against yourself is where I'm falling on this. Making up a separate definition to cover it shouldn't and doesn't give it a "get out of jail free card". A poorly-executed product is a poorly-executed product, no matter the original intent behind it, circumstances surrounding it (and its production), etc. What matters in the end is what we see on the page and how its works with the rest of what it's a part of; I personally think it fails on every single front.
Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to use it as a get out of jail free card, I agree that it's bad. I'm more bothered by the idea that the abstract plot beats of a bad product are inherently incapable of being salvaged and re-purposed for a good story later on down the road, the way those of Trunks: The Story were. Normally, that would feel like a "yeah, no shit, so what?" thing to point out, something anyone can say about anything; but since the new film looks like it very well may be doing just that, I think it's important to recognize. And no, if the new film were to re-purpose these abstract plot beats in service of a good story, that wouldn't retroactively make Minus good. However, that would have important bearing on the question of "do said abstract plot beats, in and of themselves, contribute to Minus being as bad as it is?"

The other purpose of the "Minus isn't really a full story" defense is when "Minus is bad" is used as a lead-in to "Toriyama's lost it" kinds of arguments. Since it's not a full story, it being bad is not indicative of Toriyama now being bad at telling full stories. I know that's not at all what Gaffer Tape was getting at, but he was explaining the issues he had with the defense, and I'm simply trying to illustrate which arguments the defense is appropriate for, arguments which I've used it in, which I believe were not fully factored into the issue he is taking.

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Post by shadowfox87 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:16 pm

I like DB Minus. People don't like it because they watched the Bardock Special first and they have it in their mind what Bardock is like and his personality. However, even before Super and DB Minus ever came out, Toriyama's thoughts on Bardock were the same. He stated that while he likes it, it's the "kind of story I absolutely wouldn’t draw if it were me. It was like watching a different kind of Dragon Ball in a good way.."

Love it or hate it, but the Bardock special was never Toriyama's style to begin with. People will complain because they just want to write their own version of the story. Usually people always have the excuse that if they don't like the story, they can say, "Oh it's not the original author, that's why it sucks". Then when it is the original author, the new excuse is, "Oh I wish I had the older Toriyama and not the modern one".

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Post by sunsetshimmer » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:00 pm

Every portrayal of Bardock being good father or person overall is bad to me.
I loved the character for a way he didn't want to see his son because he was weak.
The same goes for Bardock being stronger than he should and going super saiyan.

I don't like DB Minus, but i don't like Episode of Bardock even more.
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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:49 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:People don't like it because they watched the Bardock Special first and they have it in their mind what Bardock is like and his personality.
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Post by Captain-Sora » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:32 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:People don't like it because they watched the Bardock Special first and they have it in their mind what Bardock is like and his personality.
I don't like it because it eliminates the irony behind the Goku's big revelation at the beginning of the Saiyan arc. Son Goku, who had wound up saving the world and becoming one of its most powerful fighters, is revealed to be some low-ranking alien initially sent there to conquer it. Minus undoes that, rendering the Earth as just an over-glorified day care center that his parents sent him off to with the intention of picking him up later in the event that Freeza doesn't do anything.

What makes it worse is how Goku's parents are painted as this unusual couple, with Gine herself being some softhearted and out of the ordinary Saiyan. It comes off as overly coincidental that the main character, of all people, just happened to have parents that were a bit of an anomaly. They don't even send Goku to Earth with little regard for its inhabitants and the expectation that he'll destroy everything. They flat out warn him NOT to look at the full moon. It feels utterly manufactured, as they're made to seem special precisely BECAUSE Goku is the protagonist. He's the hero, so of course his parents have to stand out and not simply be run-of-the-mill Saiyans, right???

These are issues that have nothing to do with it not being the original television special. Hell, even THAT one is guilty of making Bardock feel extraordinary to an extent. After all, Bardock being the lone Saiyan who went and stood up to Freeza right before Planet Vegeta was destroyed is pretty coincidental (and THAT'S the part that gets shoved into the manga as a reference). The special just wisely makes sure to humble Bardock at every step, having practically everything go wrong for the guy so that the big climax can actually feel like a well earned moment in the spotlight (right before someone sets him on fire and the curtains close).

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Post by Kokonoe » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:00 pm

I honestly feel Toriyama is at his best when he has someone keeping his decision making in check. When he is unchained it leads to stuff like this or the Buu saga.

It's not merely cause we watched Bardock Father of Goku so many years ago when we were younger, it's that the content itself is executed in such a way that it not only is refreshing and unlike Dragon Ball. Despite it being so different, it melds really well into the story and it shows you what the story is like when Goku isn't the center piece, what happens to people who aren't gifted like him and that in itself makes the world of Dragon Ball better because it conveys the point that Goku and his crew are special and the people they save are vulnerable, even if they are aliens from another planet.

What Minus and Episode of Bardock does is simply turn Bardock into another Goku and diminishes the struggle and the tragedy by making him warp back in time, and it diminishes Goku's origins because it makes their race seem like typical "earthlings" instead of the battle hardened warrior race with a lack of empathy and that in turn makes Goku's behavior more special.

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Re: Dragon Ball Minus is not bad.

Post by KBABZ » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:03 pm

Captain-Sora wrote:What makes it worse is how Goku's parents are painted as this unusual couple, with Gine herself being some softhearted and out of the ordinary Saiyan. It comes off as overly coincidental that the main character, of all people, just happened to have parents that were a bit of an anomaly. They don't even send Goku to Earth with little regard for its inhabitants and the expectation that he'll destroy everything. They flat out warn him NOT to look at the full moon. It feels utterly manufactured, as they're made to seem special precisely BECAUSE Goku is the protagonist. He's the hero, so of course his parents have to stand out and not simply be run-of-the-mill Saiyans, right???
I would argue that them thinking different perfectly explains why Goku survived in the first place. In the original special, a big plot-hole is that apparently Goku was sent out while Frieza was ordering everyone back; either those two scientists were defying orders, or there are hundreds of other worlds with unrecalled baby Saiyan pods, which sort of spoils Goku and Vegeta being the last Saiyans, not to mention the story later bending over backwards having to explain how other Saiyans survived like with Broly, Trunks and the Super trio. With Minus, Bardock and Gine thinking differently from other Saiyans is why they send Goku away, when every other Saiyan just blindly follows orders. If the two were like other Saiyans, they wouldn't have sent Goku away to begin with.

Gine's softer personality to me also semi-explains why Goku has a softer personality after hitting his head; he got that from his mother.

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Re: Dragon Ball Minus is not bad.

Post by Master Xar » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:21 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Master Xar wrote:(...) looking at it for what it’s supposed to be and it’s purpose. It’s a simple. Clear and Cut bonus chapter meant to give a short Toriyama take on Bardock and Planet Vegeta’s destruction. It’s not meant to be a big, fleshed out story.
This alone makes Dragon Ball Minus extremely bad though. If you had spent time on eleven chapters to tell an aparent random story, you can do the same to tell the origins of Goku, the protagonist. But you can never reduce it to a mere ~15 pages and end it without showing, explaining and telling your audience what truly happened in the past.

Dragon Ball Minus did not bring anything worthwhile to the table except for Gine, but that ain't saying much because we can't tell from her brief appearance who she really was. All it did was to piss all over Bardock's TV Special and its greatness of a storytelling and emotion that it delivered in a so majestic way. As I mentioned above you can't tell us something about the Saiyans in a short chapter, they are not nobody, they are the race from where the main protagonist comes from and an interesting one for that matter, you have to delve into their lore maybe not so much in details but you have to give a little more than the shallowness that is Dragon Ball Minus.
Once again I don’t see how this is objectively bad. It’s a brief take on the Bardock Special. It’s meant to set up things later and be expanded on at a later date. Not every piece of a story has to be completely explained or fleshed out from the start. It leaves out plenty of potential for future events or stories to go over a explain any events Dragon Ball Minus may or may not bring to the forefront later on.

To say it’s “bad” for that or that the chapter is some horrible thing just because it’s summarized the beginning in my opinion is BS.

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