The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DestructoDisc]

SSJ Nappa vs the entire Ginyu Force (no body change)
Android 18 vs Trio de dangers
Merged Zamasu (halo) vs Hit (ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs GoD Toppo
True Golden Freeza vs RoF SSB Goku & Vegeta

Nappa
I think 18 would beat them all unless Bergamo uses his special ability.
Merged Zamasu
Not sure. Maybe God Toppo
Freeza was evenly matched with SSB Goku before the Tournament of Power began so I think Freeza would win.

[Zamasu55]

This is pretty fun lol. I got a few more.

U7 top 3 (MUI Goku, SSBE Vegeta & 17) vs U11 top 3 (LB Jiren, GoD Toppo & LS Dyspo) in a death match
Cabba, Caulfila and Kale (no fusion) vs all U2 & U9 fighters
SSBE Vegito (Post-ToP) vs MUI Goku & LB Jiren
Goku (no kaioken) vs Vegeta (equal stats)
ToP Krillin, Tien and Roshi vs Super Buu
SSJ3 Raditz vs Early Namek arc Goku

1) MUI Goku vs LB Jiren -> The latter kills because Goku wouldn't last long enough to do it himself.
SsjB Evolution Vegeta vs Hakaishin Toppo -> Toppo just destroys him instantly. It doesn't even matter if Vegeta's stronger than him here.
17 vs (Super Maximum Light Speed Mode) Dyspo -> This can go either way.
Basically, U11 stomps in a death match with no rules.

2) The Saiyans get slaughtered. Goku needed SsjBKK to free himself from the U2'S Pretty Black Hole, and without fusion there's nothing they can do. Plus, neither of them is aware of Lavender's poison and they don't know about Bergamo's speciality either.
U2 and U9 stomp.

3) MUI Goku solos.
4) Goku.
5) Is this a joke?

6) Ssj3 Raditz = 480.000
Goku KKx10 = 900.000
Nothing to say.

SSJ Nappa vs the entire Ginyu Force (no body change)
Android 18 vs Trio de dangers
Merged Zamasu (halo) vs Hit (ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs GoD Toppo
True Golden Freeza vs RoF SSB Goku & Vegeta

1) Ssj Nappa would be at 375.000, so he just one-shots everyone, Ginyu included.
2) I really think 18 hasn't got the slightiest chance here.
3) That M.Zamasu is weird. He first stomped both Goku and Vegeta (something Hit coudl never do), but then he got overpowered by them, somehov. Thanks Toei.
4) Toppo.
5) Those two wouldn't even handle initial SsjR Black, and Freeza's clearly above that. The Emperor of Evil slaughters them.

[Zamasu55]

I really don't understad how any of you can say that, in a death match (so killing is allowed), U7's top three would win against U11's top three.
Goku's MUI lasted a few minutes. Once he's out, there's nothing Vegeta, Freeza (or 17) can do. Not only Jiren would literally stomp on them, but U11 also got a freaking Hakaishin. Yeah, he was pretty pathetic in the ToP, but he couldn't destroy anyone. All Toppo needs to do is destroy them like Beerus did to Present Zamasu.

[ricky84]

I really don't understad how any of you can say that, in a death match (so killing is allowed), U7's top three would win against U11's top three.
Goku's MUI lasted a few minutes. Once he's out, there's nothing Vegeta, Freeza (or 17) can do. Not only Jiren would literally stomp on them, but U11 also got a freaking Hakaishin. Yeah, he was pretty pathetic in the ToP, but he couldn't destroy anyone. All Toppo needs to do is destroy them like Beerus did to Present Zamasu.

There was no evidence that Toppo was holding back against SSBE Vegeta. People need to stop acting like Hakai energy is invincible when both Freeza, Vegeta and even Goku to some extent showed that it is not. Vegeta completely stomped and overpowered Toppo, he punched through his Hakai, there is no way around it. It wouldn't make a difference if there is no rules against killing.

MUI Goku completely bodied LB Jiren, especially after getting angry at him for attacking his friends in the stands. If anybody, Goku may have been holding back against Jiren due to the no killing rule (its in his character), so MUI Goku would most likely go for the kill against Jiren as soon as possible in a death match.

[ssj3kakarot]

So, killing would be allowed, anything goes in these fights.

WHO WINS?

Hit vs Goku (Omen)
Hit vs Jiren (Full power: But NOT "limit breaker")
Hit vs Kefla (base)
Hit vs Kefla ( ssj)

[Zamasu55]

I really don't understad how any of you can say that, in a death match (so killing is allowed), U7's top three would win against U11's top three.
Goku's MUI lasted a few minutes. Once he's out, there's nothing Vegeta, Freeza (or 17) can do. Not only Jiren would literally stomp on them, but U11 also got a freaking Hakaishin. Yeah, he was pretty pathetic in the ToP, but he couldn't destroy anyone. All Toppo needs to do is destroy them like Beerus did to Present Zamasu.

There was no evidence that Toppo was holding back against SSBE Vegeta. People need to stop acting like Hakai energy is invincible when both Freeza, Vegeta and even Goku to some extent showed that it is not. Vegeta completely stomped and overpowered Toppo, he punched through his Hakai, there is no way around it. It wouldn't make a difference if there is no rules against killing.

MUI Goku completely bodied LB Jiren, especially after getting angry at him for attacking his friends in the stands. If anybody, Goku may have been holding back against Jiren due to the no killing rule (its in his character), so MUI Goku would most likely go for the kill against Jiren as soon as possible in a death match.

- Just watch the episode again and pay attention to what Belmod said to Toppo: "Don't kill him". If Toppo killed Vegeta then it was over, he would've been disqualified. The "real" hakai is what Beerus did to Zamasu and that ghost, or what Sidra did to that city. What Toppo used was just hakai energy but again, he couldn't kill Vegeta anyway. In a death match, Toppo just grabs him and destroys him like Beerus did to Zamasu.

- Jiren is durable enough to last. And the difference between the two wasn't that big anyway.

[Sonofman]

So, killing would be allowed, anything goes in these fights.

WHO WINS?

Hit vs Goku (Omen)
Hit vs Jiren (Full power: But NOT "limit breaker")
Hit vs Kefla (base)
Hit vs Kefla ( ssj)

In my opinion...

Hit vs Goku? Hit. Goku wouldn't even have time to transform.
Hit vs Jiren? Jiren... he didn't even use his full-power against Hit and still was able to break through Hit's best technique. Jiren takes this slice of cake.
Hit vs Kefla? I'd say... tie. Kelfa has the great destructive force. But, I doubt she's quicker than Hit's time skip. She'd have to learn pretty fast.
Hit vs Kefla SS? Same thing as above?^ It just depends on how fast Kelfa is as a super saiyan. If she is faster than Blue Kaio-Ken x20, we got a winner.

[ricky84]

I really don't understad how any of you can say that, in a death match (so killing is allowed), U7's top three would win against U11's top three.
Goku's MUI lasted a few minutes. Once he's out, there's nothing Vegeta, Freeza (or 17) can do. Not only Jiren would literally stomp on them, but U11 also got a freaking Hakaishin. Yeah, he was pretty pathetic in the ToP, but he couldn't destroy anyone. All Toppo needs to do is destroy them like Beerus did to Present Zamasu.

There was no evidence that Toppo was holding back against SSBE Vegeta. People need to stop acting like Hakai energy is invincible when both Freeza, Vegeta and even Goku to some extent showed that it is not. Vegeta completely stomped and overpowered Toppo, he punched through his Hakai, there is no way around it. It wouldn't make a difference if there is no rules against killing.

MUI Goku completely bodied LB Jiren, especially after getting angry at him for attacking his friends in the stands. If anybody, Goku may have been holding back against Jiren due to the no killing rule (its in his character), so MUI Goku would most likely go for the kill against Jiren as soon as possible in a death match.

- Just watch the episode again and pay attention to what Belmod said to Toppo: "Don't kill him". If Toppo killed Vegeta then it was over, he would've been disqualified. The "real" hakai is what Beerus did to Zamasu and that ghost, or what Sidra did to that city. What Toppo used was just hakai energy but again, he couldn't kill Vegeta anyway. In a death match, Toppo just grabs him and destroys him like Beerus did to Zamasu.

- Jiren is durable enough to last. And the difference between the two wasn't that big anyway.

Pure headcanon. There is no evidence of there being multiple versions of Hakai. If Toppo was stronger than Vegeta then he would have just beat him up with punches and kicks like he did to Freeza. And if he was worried about Toppo killing them then he would have never used the technique in the first place. Hell, Goku used Destructo Disks against Jiren and he punched right through them like how Vegeta punched the Hakai. And when Freeza tanked Sidra's (a real Hakaishin) Hakai it was outside of the tournament with the clear intent to kill. There's no reason to think SSBE Vegeta (who is WAY stronger) can't do the same.

Also, Jiren was severely wounded and weaked after MUI Goku beat him up. So even if MUI Goku doesn't finish the job, SSBE Vegeta and 17 could just kill him afterwards.

[Hulk10]

LB Jiren? What does that entail?

[ricky84]

LB Jiren? What does that entail?

Limit Breaker Jiren. The red glowing shirtless form he used against Mastered UI Goku.

[Hulk10]

Ah I see thanks for clearing that up.

[ricky84]

MUI Vegito (Post-ToP) vs Whis
Aniraza vs Base Toppo and SSJR Trunks
SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Buuhan
Base Black (Prime) vs SSJ2 Caulifla and Cabba

[Noah]

Buutenks vs. Gogeta (Movie 12)

I don't see Super Gogeta being as strong as Super Vegetto, so I think it would be a evenly matched fight until Gogeta turns SSJ2 to finish Boo off.

[Zamasu55]

MUI Vegito (Post-ToP) vs Whis
Aniraza vs Base Toppo and SSJR Trunks
SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Buuhan
Base Black (Prime) vs SSJ2 Caulifla and Cabba

1) Pass.
2) The duo takes it.
3) It's basically Ssj3 Goku, just 10 times stronger. Probably not enough to take out Buu.
4) That Black was stronger than Ssj3 Goku... the U6 Saiyans are done for.

[Tai Lung]

Hop VS android 18

[RandomGuy96]

MUI Vegito (Post-ToP) vs Whis

Blue Vegetto in the manga was already stated to be stronger than Beerus. Probably a lot stronger since Beerus wasn't outrageously above CSSB Vegeta. Frankly I think Blue Vegetto would be enough to handle Whis easily. MUI is just overkill. Heck, if the same outline is followed, then MUI Goku is already on par with Jiren who's stronger than the Gods of Destruction. The only way Whis could possibly be above MUI Vegetto is if he's literally thousands of times stronger than Beerus, as Vegetto is thousands of times stronger than Goku. That would just be silly.

Aniraza vs Base Toppo and SSJR Trunks

LSS Kale defeated Aniraza in one hit in the manga. I'm very confident that Toppo could do better.

SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Buuhan

Due to my conservative outlook on the Buu arc (basically assuming that Super Buu is powerwise is Pure Buu with Mr. Buu as a pod, just those powers added together), I don't think Gohan-Buu is even times stronger than SS3 Goku. Meanwhile, the context of the Baby fight implies that SS4 is a truly ridiculous boost, possibly as much as x40,000 base (x100 stronger than SS3). Goku attacks Baby in SS3 form and gets his ass kicked. This is his first form of three. I believe the GT Perfect Files compare his forms to SS forms... and why wouldn't they be? He's possessing Vegeta. Anyway, so in his equivalent of an SS form he kicks the crap out of Goku. That means he's at least 400 times stronger than Goku's base. Then he goes to his second form, then his third. Going by the multipliers that would put him at over x3,200 Goku's base. Goku returns and transforms into a Golden Ape, which going by the earlier Oozaru multiplier of x10 and stacking that on SS3, should make him x4,000 his base. Then he becomes a SS4 and lays the beat down on third form Baby. Then Baby transforms into a Golden Ape himself and is equal with SS4 Goku. If Baby was x500 stronger than base Goku in his first form, then everything else would fit together perfectly- he was strong enough to beat Goku in that form. Yet his Golden Ape wasn't stomping SS4 Goku.

So Goku has this in the bag in terms of pure power. But this is where the complicated part comes in, the part dependent on character rather than battle power. We know that Goku, if he had a power advantage over Gohan-Buu, would not just kill him outright. Thanks to Vegetto, we know he'd instead try to provoke Buu into absorbing him so he could free his sons, due to an unwillingness to outright kill them. So I think that at first, everything would go similarly to that Vegetto fight, with SS4 Goku toying with Buu... except when Buu lands a Candy Beam, which apparently surprised Vegetto when it happened in the manga (now that I think about it, Goku never saw that move), SS4 Goku won't be able to bounce back the way Vegetto did (as we know Vegetto could only do that due to the "special properties" of his fusion, per Daizenshuu 4, rather than because of his power). So the victory goes to Buu. He then eats Jawbreaker-Goku, gives him the "special treatment" he gave Mr. Buu to slot him in a pod, and becomes Buuku.

Base Black (Prime) vs SSJ2 Caulifla and Cabba

Base Black is around SS3 Goku, which makes him dimensions above these two in my book. I don't think either are anything special.

The lightning round...

SSJ Nappa vs the entire Ginyu Force (no body change)
Android 18 vs Trio de dangers
Merged Zamasu (halo) vs Hit (ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs GoD Toppo
True Golden Freeza vs RoF SSB Goku & Vegeta

1. With a battle power of 200,000, Nappa should be able to crush them fairly easily as this is far above Ginyu's own 120,000. Ginyu said that someone with a battle power of 60,000 would easily crush the rest of the team alone, to show how irrelevant the other four are.
2. Manga-wise, which is the continuity I go by, we don't know how strong they are other than that they're stronger than Goku's base and a lot weaker than Piccolo. I guess I'll give this to #18. If you go by the anime version, they're on par with Goku's base (though dimensions below Mr. Buu) which should put them well above #18 considering someone weaker than base Goku fodderized a Piccolo should be far above her. Then again, Toei power scaling has never made sense.
3. Again, I go by the manga continuity. In there Fused Zamasu could easily crush SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta at the same time, while it is stated that either would have wiped the floor with hit at full power. Even assuming Hit has some really great killing techniques able to affect someone far above his own battle power, manga Fused Zamasu is immortal, so that doesn't help.
4. We know from the manga that SSG is at least dimensions above 10% of SSB. Pair that with the the fact that 100% SSB is apparently a level far above what the SSBs normally use, and the fact that SSG Vegeta was about as fast as SSR Black, and there's not a lot of room for SSB's default state to be far above SSG. I think the difference is negligible. Therefore, Vegetto should crush Toppo easily. Actually, going by him decapitating Fused Zamasu in his base form in the manga, he'd probably only need Super Saiyan to do it.
5. I don't think it's mentioned that he got outrageously stronger? At least not in the manga. He should be on an overall similar level to them, but now without the stamina drain. That won't come close to bridging the disadvantage of being outnumbered 2-1 by peer powers.

[ricky84]

I use the anime when comes to Super in my debates.

[ricky84]

So, killing would be allowed, anything goes in these fights.

WHO WINS?

Hit vs Goku (Omen)
Hit vs Jiren (Full power: But NOT "limit breaker")
Hit vs Kefla (base)
Hit vs Kefla ( ssj)

1. Goku one-shots
2. Jiren one-shots
3. Hit wins due to better skill and experence
4. Kefla one-shots

[ricky84]

Blue Vegetto in the manga was already stated to be stronger than Beerus. Probably a lot stronger since Beerus wasn't outrageously above CSSB Vegeta. Frankly I think Blue Vegetto would be enough to handle Whis easily. MUI is just overkill. Heck, if the same outline is followed, then MUI Goku is already on par with Jiren who's stronger than the Gods of Destruction. The only way Whis could possibly be above MUI Vegetto is if he's literally thousands of times stronger than Beerus, as Vegetto is thousands of times stronger than Goku. That would just be silly.

Toyotaro himself said that Shin's line about SSB Vegito > Beerus wasn't meant to be seen as an definite fact.

[RandomGuy96]

Blue Vegetto in the manga was already stated to be stronger than Beerus. Probably a lot stronger since Beerus wasn't outrageously above CSSB Vegeta. Frankly I think Blue Vegetto would be enough to handle Whis easily. MUI is just overkill. Heck, if the same outline is followed, then MUI Goku is already on par with Jiren who's stronger than the Gods of Destruction. The only way Whis could possibly be above MUI Vegetto is if he's literally thousands of times stronger than Beerus, as Vegetto is thousands of times stronger than Goku. That would just be silly.

Toyotaro himself said that Shin's line about SSB Vegito > Beerus wasn't meant to be seen as an definite fact.

He can what he wants, what's said on the pages is that Vegetto is stronger. But really, I didn't even need Shin to tell me that. Beerus didn't seem outrageously far above CSSB Vegeta in their sparring match. Not to the extent that he'd be literally thousands of times more powerful than him like Vegetto would.

I use the anime when comes to Super in my debates.

You're free to do so, but to me it holds no more legitimacy than GT did, and has much of the same power scaling issues. Battle performance never seems to actually be indicative of anything in Toei's DB. Anyone can do anything to anyone else. I can no more trust that Vegetto and Zamasu should actually be having a good fight than Zamasu giving Blue Goku a hard time, and SS1/2 Trunks getting the better of Rose Goku Black and killing someone stronger than Blue Vegetto. When it had already been well established that Zamasu was no more than on par with SS2 Goku, and that Trunks couldn't even handle base-form Goku Black or SS3 Goku, who wiped him out in one hit. I can no more trust that Hit should be on par with SSB Goku x 20 than Piccolo taking on a guy stronger than Freeza's fourth form about a week after getting one-shotted by Freeza's 1st form. I can no more trust that Ultimate Gohan is on par with SSB after a day of training than Kale beating the shit out of Blue, dropping a statement that she’s gotten stronger, and losing decisively 2v1 against Red.