Bullza wrote:What I gathered from the chapter is...
1. Gohan, I assume is using his Ultimate form? He says that he doesn't need to use Super Saiyan but he also says that he chooses not to.
2. Piccolo says that Gohan is stronger than he has ever been. So regardless he's stronger than his previous Ultimate form.
3. Gohan and Kefla are equal.
4. If Krillin is saying that Gohan could get stronger than Goku then it means he isn't. Which in turn means Super Saiyan Kefla and Super Saiyan Kale weren't Super Saiyan Blue level after all.
5. Goku I don't think uses Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken but something similar to it aka the Power Stressed form? Either way at that point briefly he should be above the other Super Saiyan Blue level characters.
6. For all the confusion over Master Roshi, his power level was said to be as low as dirt.
On 5, I think he's basically just applying the same principle where a character temporarily exceeds their normal power output by concentrating their energy into a beam, except doing it with his fists instead. They say that it's like Kaio-Ken while deliberately never calling it Kaio-Ken. Apparently it's not practical since he only throws two punches before wrecking his body and Jiren calls him dumb for it. Either it's "HIS OWN ORIGINAL CHARACTER, BLAIO-KEN" or Toyotaro is insulting the idea of using it, I dunno.
Jiren can tank punches to the face and gut from the amplified CSSB Goku without flinching, surprising no one.
Roshi can dodge a few punches from Jiren with that pseudo UI thing he has, but it's made pretty clear that Jiren just struck Roshi at the appropriate power to knock him out and simply miscalculated how hard he was to hit for his power level. Then he adjusted appropriately and knocked him out with a light chop. Kahseral also says that Roshi is weak as dirt, despite himself being unable to overcome base Goku with a 4-1 team up in previous chapters.
Still not sure how Kefla it supposed to be. As you said she's implied to be weaker than CSSB Goku but I'm not sure about her being weaker than Golden Freeza. Mostly because I'm reluctant to take Freeza's boasts as in any way reliable. She was at least a lot stronger than Z Ultimate Gohan and Dypso, so I guess we'll see how strong that is next chapter.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
