The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ricky84]

1.Goku SSJ4 Full Power(SD arc) Vs Goku SSG( BOG)

2.Pikkon(Movie 12)Vs Ledgic

3.Goku Black(Base) Vs Golden Oozaru Baby

4.Super 17 energy absorbed (GT) Vs C17(DBS)

5.Gogeta SSJ4 Vs Vegito SSG(BOG)

1. BoG Goku one shots
2. Ledgic wins
3. Base Black one shots
4. DBS 17 one shots
5. SSG Vegito one shots

[ricky84]

New fights:

Manga SSJ1 Caulifla vs Yardrat Goku. Frieza said she was stronger than Namek SSJ Goku
Anime SSJ2 Future Trunks (when he fought Goku) vs Present Zamasu

1. Is this a joke? Base Caulifla would one shot.
2. Trunks wins high-difficulty

[ricky84]

1. Base Copy-Vegeta vs SSJ4 Goku (17 arc)
2. Android 18 (Post-Ribrianne Fight) vs Present Zamasu
3. Aniraza vs SSBKKx10 Goku (ep.109)
4. SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs ToP Gohan & True Golden Freeza
5. Super Perfect Cell (KKx100) vs Buutenks
6. Syn Shenron vs SSJ4 Baby Vegeta
7. Rose Black (Scythe) vs Champa arc's top 3 mortals

And how strong do you think a Post-ToP MUI Vegito would be?

[Zamasu55]

1. Base Copy-Vegeta vs SSJ4 Goku (17 arc)
2. Android 18 (Post-Ribrianne Fight) vs Present Zamasu
3. Aniraza vs SSBKKx10 Goku (ep.109)
4. SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs ToP Gohan & True Golden Freeza
5. Super Perfect Cell (KKx100) vs Buutenks
6. Syn Shenron vs SSJ4 Baby Vegeta
7. Rose Black (Scythe) vs Champa arc's top 3 mortals

And how strong do you think a Post-ToP MUI Vegito would be?

1) Base Copy-Vegeta was god tier, so it should be above Ssj4 Goku.
2) Zamasu wins.
3) Aniraza is a complicated foe. I say Goku after a hard battle.
4) Gohan was no match for Toppo, Freeza literally got one-shotted by Jiren when he confronted him. Yeah, it was a stronger version of the grey, but still, Freeza was afraid of challenging him. Anyway, Vegeta wins with difficulty, becuase it's still a 2 vs 1 match.
5) Well, I don't think Buutenks was 100 times stronger than a Ssj2.
6) Syn stomps.
That would be Goku, Vegeta and Hit. Well, they have no chance. Black was stronger than those three during his first appearence, there's no way they can defeat a much stronger version of him.

[dragon boss z]

Manga SSJ1 Caulifla vs Yardrat Goku. Frieza said she was stronger than Namek SSJ Goku

1. Is this a joke? Base Caulifla would one shot.

Frieza's statement implies that her base at best is probably only slightly above namek ssj Goku. So I'm not sure if base Caulifla could one shot, she could even lose. However ssj Caulifla does one shot since she was on par if not above ToP final form Frieza.
ssj namek Goku<=>base manga Caulifla<<<ToP Frieza<=ssj Caulifla.

1. Base Copy-Vegeta vs SSJ4 Goku (17 arc)
2. Android 18 (Post-Ribrianne Fight) vs Present Zamasu
3. Aniraza vs SSBKKx10 Goku (ep.109)
4. SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs ToP Gohan & True Golden Freeza
5. Super Perfect Cell (KKx100) vs Buutenks
6. Syn Shenron vs SSJ4 Baby Vegeta
7. Rose Black (Scythe) vs Champa arc's top 3 mortals

And how strong do you think a Post-ToP MUI Vegito would be?

1. Probalby ssj4 Goku. Base Copy Vegeta didn't actually one shot ssj3 Gotenks who was probably rusty. I would say base copy Vegeta is a bit above Buuhan at most.
2. Zamasu, 18 would be lucky to be ssj Goku level, and that's a real stretch, and Zamasu made Goku go ssj2, though he was weaker.
3. Goku
4. Gohan and Frieza. Frieza alone would give him a good fight.
5. Cell imo
6. pass
7. So Hit,Goku, and Vegeta? They overwhelm Black.

Post-ToP MUI Vegito would be close to angel level probably.

[Bullza]

Piccolo (Android Saga) vs. Mecha Frieza

Piccolo (Cell Games Saga) vs. Semi Perfect Cell

Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gohan (Babidi Saga)

Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gotenks (Buu Saga)

Kibito Kai vs Dabura

Frieza First Form (RoF) vs. Super Perfect Cell

[ricky84]

Piccolo (Android Saga) vs. Mecha Frieza

Piccolo (Cell Games Saga) vs. Semi Perfect Cell

Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gohan (Babidi Saga)

Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gotenks (Buu Saga)

Kibito Kai vs Dabura

Frieza First Form (RoF) vs. Super Perfect Cell

1. Piccolo stomps. He was comparable to the SSJs even before fusing with Kami.

2. Piccolo stomps. He was relative to Vegeta and Trunks in the Cell Games

3. They should be equal in power (since Gohan stopped training) but Goku wins due to being a better fighter.

4. Gotenks stomps if Post-Rosat (he wins high-difficultly if Pre-Rosat). Even before training in the Rosat, SSJ Gotenks was stated to be strong enough to easily kill Fat Buu, while Goku could only do this as a SSJ3. Plus, Gotenks would have the stamina advantage since he's only using SSJ1

5. Dabura wins. Kibito Shin is only a little stronger than normal Shin

6. Freeza one shots. 1st form Freeza post-4 months training was already way stronger than any Z-fighter not named Goku or Vegeta.

[PFM18]

1.Goku SSJ4 Full Power(SD arc) Vs Goku SSG( BOG)

2.Pikkon(Movie 12)Vs Ledgic

3.Goku Black(Base) Vs Golden Oozaru Baby

4.Super 17 energy absorbed (GT) Vs C17(DBS)

5.Gogeta SSJ4 Vs Vegito SSG(BOG)

1. BoG Goku one shots
2. Ledgic wins
3. Base Black one shots
4. DBS 17 one shots
5. SSG Vegito one shots

How exactly do you figure Goku one shots?

[dragon boss z]

Piccolo (Android Saga) vs. Mecha Frieza
Piccolo (Cell Games Saga) vs. Semi Perfect Cell
Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gohan (Babidi Saga)
Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gotenks (Buu Saga)
Kibito Kai vs Dabura
Frieza First Form (RoF) vs. Super Perfect Cell

-Frieza wins. I don't see Piccolo surpassing Frieza after a few years of training, and there is no proof 20 was stronger than Frieza, so beating him isn't proof he can beat Frieza.
-This fight could go either way. By hype Piccolo wins, but by feats Cell wins.
-Goku for sure. Goku did better against Cell than kid Gohan did before he went ssj2, and this version of Gohan is much weaker than before.
-Goku with maybe a little difficulty. ssj Goten is a bit above majin Vegeta, but still below ssj3 Goku, and only surpasses Goku when going ssj3.
-Don't know.
-I think I'll give it to Cell since he can regenerate and has more techniques, and he almost overpowered ssj2 Gohan. Frieza's best feat is being above rusty ssj Gohan and Piccolo, so if they didn't get much weaker first form Frieza should at least be around perfect Cell/Dabura level, so Frieza could put up a bit of a fight.

1. Piccolo stomps. He was comparable to the SSJs even before fusing with Kami.

He was never said to be as strong as ssj Goku or Vegeta, he was just said to be strong for not being a ssj.

2. Piccolo stomps. He was relative to Vegeta and Trunks in the Cell Games

Not according to Cell, at least in the manga. He said only Vegeta and Trunks were holding their own against the cell jrs and didn't mention Piccolo.

4. Gotenks stomps if Post-Rosat (he wins high-difficultly if Pre-Rosat). Even before training in the Rosat, SSJ Gotenks was stated to be strong enough to easily kill Fat Buu, while Goku could only do this as a SSJ3. Plus, Gotenks would have the stamina advantage since he's only using SSJ1

It was assumed ssj Gotenks would be enough, but I don't think anyone outright said ssj Gotenks could easily beat fat Buu.

6. Freeza one shots. 1st form Freeza post-4 months training was already way stronger than any Z-fighter not named Goku or Vegeta.

Maybe, but that is just an assumption. Buu was written out of the story (possibly because he was too strong), and Gotenks was written out in the movie and in the anime was defused right away (as he may have been too strong). Piccolo and rusty ssj Gohan are both weaker than Cell since Trunks said even Gohan with some training under his belt was weaker than he was in the Cell games. So the only fact is that first form Frieza is above ssj Gohan who is weaker than he was in the cell games.

[AvatarReiko]

Enraged Vegeta (Cell Games) vs MSSJ Goku (Cell Games)

Note: The Vegeta after watching Trunks die. He can sustain this boost

[GT_Goten10]

-Meta Rilldo Vs Caulifa SSJ

-Majuub Vs Cabba SSJ2

- (GT) Goten MSSJ Vs Goku SSJ2(Buu arc)

-Gohan SSJ2(Cell Arc) Vs Pikkon(Movie 12)

-Janemba Vs Kid Buu

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo (Android Saga) vs. Mecha Frieza

Piccolo had confidence on his own abilities to fight the Androids, so he rips Freeza in two with his bare hands.

Piccolo (Cell Games Saga) vs. Semi Perfect Cell

Piccolo said Cell's power was unnatural and that no one could beat him, so this is pretty much a replay of Piccolo vs Imperfect Cell, only with Cell being on his 2nd form here.

Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gohan (Babidi Saga)

Vegeta doesn't note Gohan being any weaker when he goes berserk on Spopovich, plus his Daizenshuu 2 bio says his power is still the same other than his SSJ2 form. Gohan is definitely stronger, but he's too clumsy and rusty to win this. Goku beats him with a Shunkan Ido Kamehameha.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gotenks (Buu Saga)

Is this Pre or Post Rosat Gotenks?

If it's pre, then Goku, despite being weaker, covers the gap with his skills, unless he's on his alive body, where he'd get completely drained before having the chance to finish Gotenks.

If it's post, Base Gotenks kills him without much trouble.

Kibito Kai vs Dabura

Probably Dabra. Kibitoshin is stronger, but Dabra is a way better fighter.

Frieza First Form (RoF) vs. Super Perfect Cell

1st form Freeza was considered a complete beast, so he can probably beat even Chou Gohan, let alone SPC.

[ricky84]

Enraged Vegeta (Cell Games) vs MSSJ Goku (Cell Games)

Note: The Vegeta after watching Trunks die. He can sustain this boost

This is actually an equal fight. It could go either way.

[ricky84]

-Meta Rilldo Vs Caulifa SSJ

-Majuub Vs Cabba SSJ2

- (GT) Goten MSSJ Vs Goku SSJ2(Buu arc)

-Gohan SSJ2(Cell Arc) Vs Pikkon(Movie 12)

-Janemba Vs Kid Buu

1. Base Caulifla one shots

2. Base Cabba one shots

3. Goku stomps. The GT Perfect Flies and the Daizenshuu confirm that Teen/Adult Goten isn't any stronger than was in the Buu arc, since unlike Vegeta & Gohan, Goten and Present Trunks didn't seriously train over the years.

4. Pikkon stomps

5. Janemba one shots. Buuhan would be a better match-up for him.

[PFM18]

Piccolo (Android Saga) vs. Mecha Frieza

Piccolo (Cell Games Saga) vs. Semi Perfect Cell

Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gohan (Babidi Saga)

Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gotenks (Buu Saga)

Kibito Kai vs Dabura

Frieza First Form (RoF) vs. Super Perfect Cell

Piccolo. He was on Android arc SSJ level so he wins easily.

Piccolo for sure. The way Goku was impressed with Piccolo after the ROSAT I'd say he could beat Semi cell

Gotenks by a small margin. It's extremely close and essentially a tie, but I think Gotenks has the slight edge.

Dabura

Freeze one shots. I have Freeza being Super Buu level in his first form.

[ricky84]

Omen Black (scythe) vs GoD Toppo
Dr.Gero & A19 vs Mecha Freeza & King Cold
Mecha Cooler vs SSJ1 Goten (BoG)
MUI Black (Scythe) vs MUI Goku (Post-ToP)
SSB Vegeta (Post-ToP) vs Aniraza
SSJ1 Cabba (ToP) vs Kamikaze Fireballs
Golden Freeza (ToP) vs The Magic Men of U2
Base Caulifla vs U7's bottom 4 (no Mafuba)

[Zamasu55]

10 new fights:

1) SsjB Goku (RoF saga) vs Dyspo (ep. 104)
2) Mssj Gohan (Buu saga) vs Cabba (base, Champa arc)
3) Beerus (BoG saga, so the one who confronted SsjG Goku, can't destroy) vs Hakaishin Toppo and Dyspo (Super maximum light speed mode)
4) Krillin (Buu saga) vs Master Roshi (ToP, anime version and can't use Mafuuba)
5) Fat Buu (the one who fought against Majin Vegeta), Evil Buu and Kid Buu vs Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks (ep. 67, basically those who tried to defeat Infinite Zamasu)
6) Hop vs 18 (ToP)
7) Dr. Wheelo vs Kid Gohan and Krillin (Namek saga, those who fought against Guldo and Recoome)
Ssj Rage Trunks (ep. 62, so he just transformed) vs Ssj Berserker Kale (ep. 100, the one who fought SsjB Goku basically)
9) Mssj Teen Gohan vs Piccolo (start of the ToP arc)
10) Dabura vs Pikkon (weightless) and Mssj Goku (the one who fought against Pikkon)

Omen Black (scythe) vs GoD Toppo
Dr.Gero & A19 vs Mecha Freeza & King Cold
Mecha Cooler vs SSJ1 Goten (BoG)
MUI Black (Scythe) vs MUI Goku (Post-ToP)
SSB Vegeta (Post-ToP) vs Aniraza
SSJ1 Cabba (ToP) vs Kamikaze Fireballs
Golden Freeza (ToP) vs The Magic Men of U2
Base Caulifla vs U7's bottom 4 (no Mafuba)

- True Golden Freeza is probably even with Black Goku. Now watch the fight between the former and Toppo and here's the answer.
- I think Freeza and Cold are stronger, but if the androids absorb their energy their chances of winning lower.
- Metal Cooler managed to beat Piccolo who, in the movie, was fused with Kami. This puts him above 17 and 18, but still nowhere near Goten.
- Maybe Black 'cause is a God? It's hard to tell.
- Aniraza wins unless Vegeta weakens him by hitting his core.
- Cabba stomps. Those three were retconned and now are base tier.
- Goku had to use SsjB KK to defeat them, but I think Freeza would win. Plus, ironically, according to the first spoilers, he was supposed to interfere and eliminate them himself, but that never happened.
- The U7 bottom four has Piccolo, who's more than enough to beat Base Caulifla to death.

[ricky84]

10 new fights:

1) SsjB Goku (RoF saga) vs Dyspo (ep. 104)
2) Mssj Gohan (Buu saga) vs Cabba (base, Champa arc)
3) Beerus (BoG saga, so the one who confronted SsjG Goku, can't destroy) vs Hakaishin Toppo and Dyspo (Super maximum light speed mode)
4) Krillin (Buu saga) vs Master Roshi (ToP, anime version and can't use Mafuuba)
5) Fat Buu (the one who fought against Majin Vegeta), Evil Buu and Kid Buu vs Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks (ep. 67, basically those who tried to defeat Infinite Zamasu)
6) Hop vs 18 (ToP)
7) Dr. Wheelo vs Kid Gohan and Krillin (Namek saga, those who fought against Guldo and Recoome)
Ssj Rage Trunks (ep. 62, so he just transformed) vs Ssj Berserker Kale (ep. 100, the one who fought SsjB Goku basically)
9) Mssj Teen Gohan vs Piccolo (start of the ToP arc)
10) Dabura vs Pikkon (weightless) and Mssj Goku (the one who fought against Pikkon)

1. Dyspo wins mid-difficultly
2. Cabba one shots
3. U11 wins easily. Beerus in BoG surpressed himself down to SSG Goku's level.
4. Roshi stomps easily
5. Any of the 3 saiyans would solo in base
6. 18 wins mid-difficulty
7. Gohan and Krillin wins high-difficulty
8. Trunks has a moderate edge in both power and sanity, so he wins low difficulty
9. Piccolo one shots
10. Pikkon solos, because Dabura=Cell and Cell jobbed to Pikkon.

[DestructoDisc]

10 new fights:

1) SsjB Goku (RoF saga) vs Dyspo (ep. 104)
2) Mssj Gohan (Buu saga) vs Cabba (base, Champa arc)
3) Beerus (BoG saga, so the one who confronted SsjG Goku, can't destroy) vs Hakaishin Toppo and Dyspo (Super maximum light speed mode)
4) Krillin (Buu saga) vs Master Roshi (ToP, anime version and can't use Mafuuba)
5) Fat Buu (the one who fought against Majin Vegeta), Evil Buu and Kid Buu vs Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks (ep. 67, basically those who tried to defeat Infinite Zamasu)
6) Hop vs 18 (ToP)
7) Dr. Wheelo vs Kid Gohan and Krillin (Namek saga, those who fought against Guldo and Recoome)
Ssj Rage Trunks (ep. 62, so he just transformed) vs Ssj Berserker Kale (ep. 100, the one who fought SsjB Goku basically)
9) Mssj Teen Gohan vs Piccolo (start of the ToP arc)
10) Dabura vs Pikkon (weightless) and Mssj Goku (the one who fought against Pikkon)

1) Goku
2) Cabba's base was said to be on par with Vegeta's base form right? If so then Cabba wins.
3) Toppo and Dyspo unless Beerus becomes more serious and uses more of his power.
4) Master Roshi.
5) Goku, Vegeta and Trunks would take this
6) This is a brutal mismatch. 18 would one shot that fodder.
7) Don't know because I never watched the movies with Dr Wheelo in them.
Trunks. I think Goku was just holding back against Kale which is why her stronger form was only SSJG level.
9) Mismatch. Piccolo would take this easily. He beat SSJ2 Gohan in the recruitment arc.
10) Pikkon and Goku win.

[ricky84]

- True Golden Freeza is probably even with Black Goku. Now watch the fight between the former and Toppo and here's the answer.

That's why I used UI Omen Black, not Rose Black.

- The U7 bottom four has Piccolo, who's more than enough to beat Base Caulifla to death.[/quote]

So you think ToP Piccolo is Base Goku/Vegeta level?