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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:32 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:10 new fights:

1) SsjB Goku (RoF saga) vs Dyspo (ep. 104)
2) Mssj Gohan (Buu saga) vs Cabba (base, Champa arc)
3) Beerus (BoG saga, so the one who confronted SsjG Goku, can't destroy) vs Hakaishin Toppo and Dyspo (Super maximum light speed mode)
4) Krillin (Buu saga) vs Master Roshi (ToP, anime version and can't use Mafuuba)
5) Fat Buu (the one who fought against Majin Vegeta), Evil Buu and Kid Buu vs Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks (ep. 67, basically those who tried to defeat Infinite Zamasu)
6) Hop vs 18 (ToP)
7) Dr. Wheelo vs Kid Gohan and Krillin (Namek saga, those who fought against Guldo and Recoome)
8) Ssj Rage Trunks (ep. 62, so he just transformed) vs Ssj Berserker Kale (ep. 100, the one who fought SsjB Goku basically)
9) Mssj Teen Gohan vs Piccolo (start of the ToP arc)
10) Dabura vs Pikkon (weightless) and Mssj Goku (the one who fought against Pikkon)
1. Anime exclusive, pass.
2. Gohan one-shots. Cabba is nothing special, and I never bought the "super-powered base" theories.
3. Toppo is at or above full power SSB level and should handily beat the hell out of that SSG-level suppression.
4. Anime exclusive, pass.
5. Anime exclusive, pass.
6. 18 one-shots, Hop has no feats.
7. Wheelo has a battle power of 39,000 per that movie 3 pamphlet. While its levels for the main story characters were off, its movie levels seemed to work fine, so I see no reason not to take them at face value. In that case, he'll handily crush Gohan and Krillin, who are officially at 14,000 and 13,000 respectively. Even Gohan's rage-boosted power (20,000) won't help.
8. Anime exclusive, pass.
9. Gohan one-shots, Piccolo was never noted to have powered up at all outside of one Toei filler sequence (which I take about as seriously as other Toei filler, e.g. Base Goku vs Ultimate Gohan in Z) and it's been plainly shown that he has hit his stride. In both the ROSAT in the Cell arc and in regular training during the Cell-Buu gap, he gained power at far lesser rates than the Saiyans in the same conditions and same amount of time. I think Kaioshin could still beat him up without too much trouble, and Kaioshin was self-admittedly weaker than SS1 Gohan.
10. Goku is fodder to Dabra, but Pikkon was shown to be able to defeat Cell in three hits with that flame kick move. Pair that with durability sufficient to shrug off Goku's Warp Kamehameha and I think he can take Dabra in much the same way. The only complication is the spit, but Pikkon has enough loose clothing that even if he does get hit, I think he can survive it.
GT_Goten10 wrote:-Meta Rilldo Vs Caulifa SSJ

-Majuub Vs Cabba SSJ2

- (GT) Goten MSSJ Vs Goku SSJ2(Buu arc)

-Gohan SSJ2(Cell Arc) Vs Pikkon(Movie 12)

-Janemba Vs Kid Buu
-Well, there's not much grounds for comparison, but I'll say Rildo because he's got a "stronger than [some form of] Buu" statement going for him, which I don't think Caulifla comes close to in any form.

-Same story. I never bought the hype that wanked Cabba to incredible levels, especially after the manga version, with less Toei filler, was more explicit about him being fodder. Regular Uub one-shots easily, much less Super Uub.

-Anime exclusive (and with even less grounds for comparison than other GT match-ups which were at least fairly simple), pass.

-Pikkon knocked out Cell in three hits, as noted, and SS2 Gohan is a cocky little bastard. I think Pikkon could do it.

-Janemba should be stronger, closer to Super Buu's level than Pure Buu's. But it would be a question of who could figure out the other's tricks first, given that both of them can come back from fatal wounds and both have "hax" techniques. Both are essentially mindless, so I'll bet on the guy with the power advantage: Janemba.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:47 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:10 new fights:

1) SsjB Goku (RoF saga) vs Dyspo (ep. 104)
2) Mssj Gohan (Buu saga) vs Cabba (base, Champa arc)
3) Beerus (BoG saga, so the one who confronted SsjG Goku, can't destroy) vs Hakaishin Toppo and Dyspo (Super maximum light speed mode)
4) Krillin (Buu saga) vs Master Roshi (ToP, anime version and can't use Mafuuba)
5) Fat Buu (the one who fought against Majin Vegeta), Evil Buu and Kid Buu vs Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks (ep. 67, basically those who tried to defeat Infinite Zamasu)
6) Hop vs 18 (ToP)
7) Dr. Wheelo vs Kid Gohan and Krillin (Namek saga, those who fought against Guldo and Recoome)
8) Ssj Rage Trunks (ep. 62, so he just transformed) vs Ssj Berserker Kale (ep. 100, the one who fought SsjB Goku basically)
9) Mssj Teen Gohan vs Piccolo (start of the ToP arc)
10) Dabura vs Pikkon (weightless) and Mssj Goku (the one who fought against Pikkon)
2) Cabba one shots. Vegeta called him his equal, and Base Vegeta is >>> Most, if not all of Z via scaling from Goku vs Hit.
3) Either one solos with zero diff. Those guys are closer to FP Beerus than to this version of Beerus.
6) Hop is featless, so 18 one shots.
7) Goku needed Kaioken x3 or x4 to defeat Wheelo IIRC, whereas Kuririn and Gohan are barely over the 10,000 mark. They get wrecked unless Gohan gets mad.
9) Piccolo finger clicks. He held his own against Frost in the U6 Arc.
10) Dabra told all the 3 Boo Arc SSJs to come at him at once, so a far weaker Goku, along with Paikuhan, can't do jack shit to him. Though the duo can manage something if Goku pulls a Super Kaioken.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GT_Goten10 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:15 pm

ricky84 wrote:
GT_Goten10 wrote:-Meta Rilldo Vs Caulifa SSJ

-Majuub Vs Cabba SSJ2

- (GT) Goten MSSJ Vs Goku SSJ2(Buu arc)

-Gohan SSJ2(Cell Arc) Vs Pikkon(Movie 12)

-Janemba Vs Kid Buu
1. Base Caulifla one shots

2. Base Cabba one shots

3. Goku stomps. The GT Perfect Flies and the Daizenshuu confirm that Teen/Adult Goten isn't any stronger than was in the Buu arc, since unlike Vegeta & Gohan, Goten and Present Trunks didn't seriously train over the years.

4. Pikkon stomps

5. Janemba one shots. Buuhan would be a better match-up for him.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah base Caulifa one shots Meta Rildo??? Base Cabba one shots Majuub ????
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Post by ricky84 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:11 pm

GT_Goten10 wrote:
ricky84 wrote:
GT_Goten10 wrote:-Meta Rilldo Vs Caulifa SSJ

-Majuub Vs Cabba SSJ2

- (GT) Goten MSSJ Vs Goku SSJ2(Buu arc)

-Gohan SSJ2(Cell Arc) Vs Pikkon(Movie 12)

-Janemba Vs Kid Buu
1. Base Caulifla one shots

2. Base Cabba one shots

3. Goku stomps. The GT Perfect Flies and the Daizenshuu confirm that Teen/Adult Goten isn't any stronger than was in the Buu arc, since unlike Vegeta & Gohan, Goten and Present Trunks didn't seriously train over the years.

4. Pikkon stomps

5. Janemba one shots. Buuhan would be a better match-up for him.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah base Caulifa one shots Meta Rildo??? Base Cabba one shots Majuub ????
1. SSG Goku from BoG is stronger than anything from GT. (Was stated/implied to be universe busting. Nothing in GT is that strong) .

2. Both Goku and Vegeta surpassed BoG SSG Goku in their bases alone after training with Whis.

3. Vegeta said to himself in both the anime & manga Champa arc that Cabba's base was equal to his own.

4. Caulfila > Cabba

So yes, GT is fodder compared to even mid-tier DBS characters.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:11 pm

New match:

- UI Omen Goku Black vs. Toppo (can go GoD) and Dyspo
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by AhmadHendie » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:41 am

GT_Goten10 wrote:1.Goku SSJ4 Full Power(SD arc) Vs Goku SSG( BOG)

2.Pikkon(Movie 12)Vs Ledgic

3.Goku Black(Base) Vs Golden Oozaru Baby

4.Super 17 energy absorbed (GT) Vs C17(DBS)

5.Gogeta SSJ4 Vs Vegito SSG(BOG)
1 normal SSJ4 from the early SD saga will do.

2 Ledgic

3 black after a tough fight

4 S17 destroys him if we go by the manga(ssj3 tier). Can go either way if we go with anime C17

5 SSJ4 Gogeta.

GT_Goten10 wrote:-Meta Rilldo Vs Caulifa SSJ

-Majuub Vs Cabba SSJ2

- (GT) Goten MSSJ Vs Goku SSJ2(Buu arc)

-Gohan SSJ2(Cell Arc) Vs Pikkon(Movie 12)

-Janemba Vs Kid Buu
-gets destroyed by rildo first form. Rildo > gohan(GT) > Ultimate Gohan(Z) > Caulifla SSJ1/2.

-majuub in a murderstomb. Majuub = super baby 2 >>>> super baby 1 >>> base baby >>> ssj3 goku who is stronger than ssj ultimate gohan in base

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-Pikkon

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Post by ricky84 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:02 am

GoD Toppo vs Surpressed Jiren (ep.123-126)
Aniraza vs Hit, Frost and the U6 saiyans (no fusion)
Super 17 vs Syn Shenron
SSJ3 Goku vs 100 Metal Coolers
SSJ1 Goku (ToP) vs Kamikaze Fireballs
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Post by ahill1 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:21 pm

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Post by PFM18 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:52 pm

ricky84 wrote:1. SSG Goku from BoG is stronger than anything from GT. (Was stated/implied to be universe busting. Nothing in GT is that strong) .
We just don't really get feats in GT. By scaling, SSJ4 Goku should be about on par if not stronger, because all we know about SSG Goku is that he is stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto and SSJ4 Goku could also say the same about being superior to Vegetto from Z.
2. Both Goku and Vegeta surpassed BoG SSG Goku in their bases alone after training with Whis.
There's really no reason to believe this. Again, during RoF, or after Whis traiing, It was only stated that Goku had surpassed SSG upon going SSB and not at any point prior. Krillin and Gohan just kind of made vague generic comments about him being strong but never said anything about him being stronger than he was as a SSG.

The specifics are debatable but IMO:

RoF SSJ Goku(hypothetical)>BoG SSJ Goku(post-ritual)>=SSG Goku BoG>SSJ3 Vegetto>RoF Base Goku/Vegeta >BoG Base Goku(post-ritual)
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ricky84 wrote:
GT_Goten10 wrote:-Meta Rilldo Vs Caulifa SSJ

-Majuub Vs Cabba SSJ2

- (GT) Goten MSSJ Vs Goku SSJ2(Buu arc)

-Gohan SSJ2(Cell Arc) Vs Pikkon(Movie 12)

-Janemba Vs Kid Buu
1. Base Caulifla one shots

2. Base Cabba one shots

3. Goku stomps. The GT Perfect Flies and the Daizenshuu confirm that Teen/Adult Goten isn't any stronger than was in the Buu arc, since unlike Vegeta & Gohan, Goten and Present Trunks didn't seriously train over the years.

4. Pikkon stomps

5. Janemba one shots. Buuhan would be a better match-up for him.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah base Caulifa one shots Meta Rildo??? Base Cabba one shots Majuub ????
It isn't unreasonable to say that Base Caulifla>Meta Rildo at all, maybe not in a one shot, but given where she stands in DBS, she is at the very least on that level in her Base form.

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Post by Pantalones » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:12 pm

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ricky84 wrote: 1. SSG Goku from BoG is stronger than anything from GT. (Was stated/implied to be universe busting. Nothing in GT is that strong) .
We just don't really get feats in GT. By scaling, SSJ4 Goku should be about on par if not stronger, because all we know about SSG Goku is that he is stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto and SSJ4 Goku could also say the same about being superior to Vegetto from Z.
Omega Shenron would have apparently destroyed the entire universe... over time (it's unclear how long, but certainly more than minutes or hours), as a side-effect of too much negative energy leaking out and spreading and causing things to become unstable. SSjG Goku and Beerus just punching each other created shockwaves that would've destroyed the universe in a matter of minutes if Goku hadn't been able to adjust to the insane level of power he had in the God form and fight in such a way that didn't throw off those shockwaves. If you want "feats" showing that Super Saiyan God is more powerful than anyone in GT (with the possible exception of SSj4 Gogeta)... well, there you go.

Going beyond that, putting SSj4 from GT on the same level as the God forms just for the sake of having the strongest forms from both series on the same general level ignores the whole point of the God forms -- they're a level beyond what the Saiyans could have ever reached without tapping into godly ki. SSj4 GT Goku is probably stronger than anyone in the Buu Saga including fusions, but not by that much -- there's a guide that vaguely compared initial SSj4 Goku to SSj Vegerot, after all, while we know that SSj God is far beyond any level that Goku and Vegeta could've achieved using fusion. It's a level of power Goku that said himself he didn't even realize was possible before tapping into it.
Aniraza vs Hit, Frost and the U6 saiyans (no fusion)
Hit has a good chance of figuring out Aniraza's weak point and targeting that the way #17 did, considering that targeting weak points on someone's body is pretty much Hit's specialty. The others would be basically useless, though... I'd say their best (only?) chance is for Hit to cripple Aniraza by smashing that forehead gem as soon as possible, before Aniraza can charge up a big blast that the 6th Universe team wouldn't be able to stop.
SSJ3 Goku vs 100 Metal Coolers
Goku has more than enough power to destroy them all, so it's only a question of whether he can pull it off before the SSj3 form's stamina drain gets to him. The Metal Coolers seem to start out somewhere lower down in the Android Saga power range at best (Goku and Vegeta as a team can destroy one, so I'd say they're likely at least somewhat weaker than Androids 17 and 18), so Goku's not in any real danger from them unless his energy gets too low and he can't sustain any of his Super Saiyan forms anymore (like after fighting Kid Buu in SSj3.)

I'd say if he goes after them "SSj2 Gohan vs. Cell Juniors" style and just smashes a ton of them apart in rapid succession with physical attacks rather than risking charging up any major attacks, he'd probably be able to pull it off. Alternatively, he could probably blow them all up quickly using a flurry of basic Ki blasts... now that I think about it, that would probably be the better option considering that the Metal Coolers could regenerate to an extent.

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Post by sunsetshimmer » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:17 pm

GT_Goten10 wrote:-Meta Rilldo Vs Caulifa SSJ

-Majuub Vs Cabba SSJ2

- (GT) Goten MSSJ Vs Goku SSJ2(Buu arc)

-Gohan SSJ2(Cell Arc) Vs Pikkon(Movie 12)

-Janemba Vs Kid Buu
1. Meta Rildo
2. Majuub one shots
3. Goku due to better skill but in power they might be comparable. Goten and Trunks did much better against Yakon and Pui Pui than Goku and Vegeta in Z.
4. Gohan SSJ2
5. Janemba
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Post by dragon boss z » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:51 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:Enraged Vegeta (Cell Games) vs MSSJ Goku (Cell Games)
Note: The Vegeta after watching Trunks die. He can sustain this boost
I would back Goku due to instant transmission and better ki control.
ricky84 wrote:Omen Black (scythe) vs GoD Toppo
Dr.Gero & A19 vs Mecha Freeza & King Cold
Mecha Cooler vs SSJ1 Goten (BoG)
MUI Black (Scythe) vs MUI Goku (Post-ToP)
SSB Vegeta (Post-ToP) vs Aniraza
SSJ1 Cabba (ToP) vs Kamikaze Fireballs
Golden Freeza (ToP) vs The Magic Men of U2
Base Caulifla vs U7's bottom 4 (no Mafuba)
-Black, Toppo won't be able to touch him.
-I think Frieza is stronger than 19/20, but King Cold was only on par with suppressed Frieza, so if Cold can't power up he is a weak link. 19/20 can also absorb their energy attacks. This fight depends on who smart Frieza is, but he will most likely spam ki blasts and get tired while 19/20 get stronger. If that happens 19/20 wins. If Frieza figures their power out early he can win.
-Cooler stomps Goten even worse than he did Goku and Vegeta.
-Goku>Black at that time so he wins
-anime versions Aniraza wins, manga versions Vegeta wins
-Cabba, the fireballs are weaker than 18
-Frieza could arguably win in his final form. He absolutely stomps in golden.
-I would back U7 due to them having either 18 or Piccolo on their side.
Zamasu55 wrote:10 new fights:

1) SsjB Goku (RoF saga) vs Dyspo (ep. 104)
2) Mssj Gohan (Buu saga) vs Cabba (base, Champa arc)
3) Beerus (BoG saga, so the one who confronted SsjG Goku, can't destroy) vs Hakaishin Toppo and Dyspo (Super maximum light speed mode)
4) Krillin (Buu saga) vs Master Roshi (ToP, anime version and can't use Mafuuba)
5) Fat Buu (the one who fought against Majin Vegeta), Evil Buu and Kid Buu vs Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks (ep. 67, basically those who tried to defeat Infinite Zamasu)
6) Hop vs 18 (ToP)
7) Dr. Wheelo vs Kid Gohan and Krillin (Namek saga, those who fought against Guldo and Recoome)
8) Ssj Rage Trunks (ep. 62, so he just transformed) vs Ssj Berserker Kale (ep. 100, the one who fought SsjB Goku basically)
9) Mssj Teen Gohan vs Piccolo (start of the ToP arc)
10) Dabura vs Pikkon (weightless) and Mssj Goku (the one who fought against Pikkon)
1. Goku has enough power to win imo.
2. Base Cabba was weaker than Frost, who was challenged by Piccolo. I think ssj Gohan can win this.
3. Toppo and Dyspo
4. Roshi I guess
5. The saiyans were really tired at that point, but I think they could still take it after a good fight.
6. 18
7. pass
8. Trunks outlasts her
9. I would back Piccolo
10. If we take Pikkon's victory over Cell at face value, the team wins.
ricky84 wrote:GoD Toppo vs Surpressed Jiren (ep.123-126)
Aniraza vs Hit, Frost and the U6 saiyans (no fusion)
Super 17 vs Syn Shenron
SSJ3 Goku vs 100 Metal Coolers
SSJ1 Goku (ToP) vs Kamikaze Fireballs
-Jiren in a good fight
-Aniraza in the anime, team in the manga
-pass
-Goku can win if he destroys them all at once. If not he runs out of stamina and gets overwhelmed.
-Goku since the fireballs are below 18 level.
ahill1 wrote:Fat Boo vs Super Boo
Super Buu is stated and shown to be stronger/more dangerous.

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Post by Berserker1921 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:57 pm

ricky84 wrote:GoD Toppo vs Surpressed Jiren (ep.123-126)
Aniraza vs Hit, Frost and the U6 saiyans (no fusion)
Super 17 vs Syn Shenron
SSJ3 Goku vs 100 Metal Coolers
SSJ1 Goku (ToP) vs Kamikaze Fireballs
1. Jiren wins with low difficulty, he was playing with ssbE Vegeta and Ssjb kkx20 Goku like they were nothing but gnats. Only powered up in 127, to break they’re morale. He is far stronger than Toppo.

2. Team wins, Hit finds out aniraza’s weakpoint. Breaks it and the team shoot him off the ring.

3. If syn is stupid and keeps firing energy at super 17. 17 wins, if not syn.

4. Goku wins, fires a powerful attack. Killing them all in one blast. Before his stamina issues take affect.

5. If this is the Buuhan ghost things, Goku wins. He turns on his god ki and makes his ssj form much stronger. I mean base Vegeta and Goku were around super buu level during RoF. Ssj makes them easily around or above buu level Vegito.

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Post by DestructoDisc » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:10 pm

ricky84 wrote:Omen Black (scythe) vs GoD Toppo
Dr.Gero & A19 vs Mecha Freeza & King Cold
Mecha Cooler vs SSJ1 Goten (BoG)
MUI Black (Scythe) vs MUI Goku (Post-ToP)
SSB Vegeta (Post-ToP) vs Aniraza
SSJ1 Cabba (ToP) vs Kamikaze Fireballs
Golden Freeza (ToP) vs The Magic Men of U2
Base Caulifla vs U7's bottom 4 (no Mafuba)
I think Black would win this one
Dr. Gero and A19 obviously.
Goten
Goku
Aniraza
Kamikaze Fireballs. SSJ Cabba was beaten by someone who was blasted away by base Vegeta like she was nothing.
The U2 guys would win if they use the pretty black hole.
18 or Piccolo would beat her easily. In the manga she would lose to Roshi too.

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Post by Zamasu55 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:24 pm

10 new fights, anime only:

1) Metal Cooler's army vs U3's entire team (no Aniraza or Koichiarator though)
2) Teen Future Trunks and Future Gohan (The History of Trunks, both in base) vs Final form Freeza (Namek)
3) Ssj3 Goku (Future Trunks arc) vs Ssj3 GT Goku (Baby arc, with tail)
4) Rubalt vs Krillin (ToP)
5) Ssj Goku (Namek) vs Ssj Teen Future Trunks (The History of Trunks, just transformed)
6) Ssj2 Kefla vs Jiren (ep. 109)
7) Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan saga, full power) vs Goku (Namek, the one who confronts the Ginyu force, can't use Kaiohken).
8) Yamcha and Chaotzu (ToP arc) vs Freeza's army (RoF arc)
9) Dyspo and Kunshi (ep. 104) vs Gohan and Piccolo (ToP)
10) Base Gotenks (DB Super) vs Basil (drugged)

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Post by ZombieVito » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:44 pm

ricky84 wrote:1. Base Copy-Vegeta vs SSJ4 Goku (17 arc)
2. Android 18 (Post-Ribrianne Fight) vs Present Zamasu
3. Aniraza vs SSBKKx10 Goku (ep.109)
4. SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs ToP Gohan & True Golden Freeza
5. Super Perfect Cell (KKx100) vs Buutenks
6. Syn Shenron vs SSJ4 Baby Vegeta
7. Rose Black (Scythe) vs Champa arc's top 3 mortals

And how strong do you think a Post-ToP MUI Vegito would be?
Goku.
Zamasu slaps her to death.
Goku has this in the bag.
Vegeta gets killed. He is weaker than Golden Freeza without Evolution.
Cell one shots.
I have no idea. Baby I guess.
Black. The only one that can beat him is Goku with Kaioken but at this time he hasn't mastered it so he would lose thanks to his stamina.
Bullza wrote:Piccolo (Android Saga) vs. Mecha Frieza

Piccolo (Cell Games Saga) vs. Semi Perfect Cell

Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gohan (Babidi Saga)

Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Gotenks (Buu Saga)

Kibito Kai vs Dabura

Frieza First Form (RoF) vs. Super Perfect Cell
I give this to Piccolo but Freeza does give him some fight.
Piccolo one shots.
Gohan wins after a good fight.
I think even SS2 Goku wins. Gotenks is pretty much useless without SS3.
Kibitoshin is stronger but a fool so I give this to Dabura.
Considering Kuririn said they would be fine with Boo there, Cell wins this.
AvatarReiko wrote:Enraged Vegeta (Cell Games) vs MSSJ Goku (Cell Games)

Note: The Vegeta after watching Trunks die. He can sustain this boost
Vegeta wins very easily.
ricky84 wrote:Omen Black (scythe) vs GoD Toppo
Dr.Gero & A19 vs Mecha Freeza & King Cold
Mecha Cooler vs SSJ1 Goten (BoG)
MUI Black (Scythe) vs MUI Goku (Post-ToP)
SSB Vegeta (Post-ToP) vs Aniraza
SSJ1 Cabba (ToP) vs Kamikaze Fireballs
Golden Freeza (ToP) vs The Magic Men of U2
Base Caulifla vs U7's bottom 4 (no Mafuba)
Good match up. I have Toppo stronger here but Black does have his clones and evasiveness. I give this to Toppo because of Hakai though.
Freeza and Cold are dumb enough to give them energy. The Androids win.
Goten finger flicks.
Black wins thanks to his clones.
Aniraza has this in the bag.
Base Cabba is enough unless Ribrianne transforms futher. When that happens he just turns Super Saiyan and one shots her.
Final Form Freeza is enough.
Thanks to 18 the U7 wins. All 4 of them would be too much for her even if she's stronger.
Zamasu55 wrote:10 new fights:

1) SsjB Goku (RoF saga) vs Dyspo (ep. 104)
2) Mssj Gohan (Buu saga) vs Cabba (base, Champa arc)
3) Beerus (BoG saga, so the one who confronted SsjG Goku, can't destroy) vs Hakaishin Toppo and Dyspo (Super maximum light speed mode)
4) Krillin (Buu saga) vs Master Roshi (ToP, anime version and can't use Mafuuba)
5) Fat Buu (the one who fought against Majin Vegeta), Evil Buu and Kid Buu vs Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks (ep. 67, basically those who tried to defeat Infinite Zamasu)
6) Hop vs 18 (ToP)
7) Dr. Wheelo vs Kid Gohan and Krillin (Namek saga, those who fought against Guldo and Recoome)
8) Ssj Rage Trunks (ep. 62, so he just transformed) vs Ssj Berserker Kale (ep. 100, the one who fought SsjB Goku basically)
9) Mssj Teen Gohan vs Piccolo (start of the ToP arc)
10) Dabura vs Pikkon (weightless) and Mssj Goku (the one who fought against Pikkon)
Dyspo's speed is just too much for Goku to handle. He eventually loses.
Cabba blinks and Gohan's head explodes.
Beerus can't use his full power right? Toppo is enough.
Roshi one shots.
Trunks can turn Super Saiyan so he is enough to beat all the Boo's.
18 wins this really easy since she can defeat Ribrianne.
I think Wheelo is still stronger.
Kale gets murdered in seconds.
Piccolo beats him harder than he did base Gohan in E88.
Dabura is a lot stronger but their teamwork can manage.
ricky84 wrote:GoD Toppo vs Surpressed Jiren (ep.123-126)
Aniraza vs Hit, Frost and the U6 saiyans (no fusion)
Super 17 vs Syn Shenron
SSJ3 Goku vs 100 Metal Coolers
SSJ1 Goku (ToP) vs Kamikaze Fireballs
I think Toppo can win this, especially with Hakai.
Hit's time abilities might give them the win. They truly must work as a team.
Super 17.
Goku would eventually tire and lose SS3. I think the Coolers have this.
Base Goku is enough unless Ribrianne futher transforms.
ahill1 wrote:Fat Boo vs Super Boo
I always had the theory that Fat Boo can get back the power he lost when he split. Daizenshuu also says Fat Boo = Evil Boo.

Goku also alludes in Super that he can get stronger when getting really angry. I personally do have them as equals starting from E79 but then he trains and gets much stronger in further episodes. I give this to Fat (Slim!) Boo.
Zamasu55 wrote:10 new fights, anime only:

1) Metal Cooler's army vs U3's entire team (no Aniraza or Koichiarator though)
2) Teen Future Trunks and Future Gohan (The History of Trunks, both in base) vs Final form Freeza (Namek)
3) Ssj3 Goku (Future Trunks arc) vs Ssj3 GT Goku (Baby arc, with tail)
4) Rubalt vs Krillin (ToP)
5) Ssj Goku (Namek) vs Ssj Teen Future Trunks (The History of Trunks, just transformed)
6) Ssj2 Kefla vs Jiren (ep. 109)
7) Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan saga, full power) vs Goku (Namek, the one who confronts the Ginyu force, can't use Kaiohken).
8) Yamcha and Chaotzu (ToP arc) vs Freeza's army (RoF arc)
9) Dyspo and Kunshi (ep. 104) vs Gohan and Piccolo (ToP)
10) Base Gotenks (DB Super) vs Basil (drugged)
U3 team finger flick all the Coolers.
Freeza stomps them.
Super's Goku wins easily.
Rubalt managed to hurt Piccolo a little bit so he kills poor Kuririn.
Goku.
Kefla win this with high difficulty.
Vegeta would be at 180,000 against a 90,000 Goku. I give this to Vegeta.
I don't think they can beat all 1,000 soldiers on their own and then we have Shisami and Tagoma who just murder them easily.
Gohan and Piccolo would win. Kunshi is nothing to either one of them and Piccolo can use the same laser cage Freeza did while Gohan beats Dyspo up.
Not even SS2 Gotenks can win this.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ricky84 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:58 pm

ZombieVito wrote: 1. Vegeta gets killed. He is weaker than Golden Freeza without Evolution.

2. Thanks to 18 the U7 wins. All 4 of them would be too much for her even if she's stronger.
1. Where or when was this ever shown or stated in the anime? Golden Freeza was shown to be at best equal to normal SSB Goku at the start of the ToP, yet normal SSB Vegeta since ep.122 was shown/implied to be stronger than KKx20 Goku from the hour special based on his superior performance against Jiren and the Final Flash feat. Also, Normal SSB Vegeta was shown to be equal to base Toppo (who Goku needed Blue Kaioken times ?? to match in the preliminaries). So the idea of Golden Freeza being stronger than regular SSB Vegeta (and A17 for that matter but that's another topic) at all is ridiculous. He has zero feats & statements in the anime that suggest that. Hell, you could even argue that Gohan in the anime ToP surpassed Golden Freeza at some point due to his fights with the triple robot fusion before Aniraza and his better fight against Dsypo.

2. Piccolo is obviously weaker than A18, especially after the Ribranne fight. Ribranne was shown to be on par with a serious base Goku & and a suppressed SSJ1 Vegeta. In her giant form she should be at least around serious SSJ1 levels. And A18 beat her down, breaking her limits in the process. Piccolo on the other arguably isn't even as strong as the base forms of the full blooded saiyans in the ToP.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ricky84 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:51 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:10 new fights, anime only:

1) Metal Cooler's army vs U3's entire team (no Aniraza or Koichiarator though)
2) Teen Future Trunks and Future Gohan (The History of Trunks, both in base) vs Final form Freeza (Namek)
3) Ssj3 Goku (Future Trunks arc) vs Ssj3 GT Goku (Baby arc, with tail)
4) Rubalt vs Krillin (ToP)
5) Ssj Goku (Namek) vs Ssj Teen Future Trunks (The History of Trunks, just transformed)
6) Ssj2 Kefla vs Jiren (ep. 109)
7) Oozaru Vegeta (Saiyan saga, full power) vs Goku (Namek, the one who confronts the Ginyu force, can't use Kaiohken).
8) Yamcha and Chaotzu (ToP arc) vs Freeza's army (RoF arc)
9) Dyspo and Kunshi (ep. 104) vs Gohan and Piccolo (ToP)
10) Base Gotenks (DB Super) vs Basil (drugged)
1. Any of the main 3 robots of U3 solos
2. Freeza barely wins
3. Base DBS Goku one shots. This is a stomp
4. Who's Rubalt?
5. Trunks would have the edge in power, but Goku wins due to being a better fighter
6. SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than the 2nd Omen, so she is well above suppressed Jiren
7. Oozaru Vegeta would be twice his power in this case so he stomps.
8. Yamcha is dead weight, but Chaotzu might solo since he still trains with Tien
9. Pride Troopers win, mid-difficulty
10. Basil stomps
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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ahill1 wrote:Fat Boo vs Super Boo
Super Boo finger clicks and you know it, Ahill.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:
ahill1 wrote:Fat Boo vs Super Boo
Super Boo finger clicks and you know it, Ahill.
Proof, mayn?

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