Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Xeogran]

We already have a Goku/Vegeta fusion with a better personality and design anyway.

And your bias just had to kick in, didn't it? I disagree to both. Vegetto's cocky personality got stale, especoally since he can never achieve anything of worth yet tries to act all mighty.

And as for design, that is subjective, but I quite frankly also got bored of him having the same outfit from Buu arc. And him constantly being put in every new game as DLC material.

Gogeta will bring something fresh to the series.

[sintzu]

Gogeta will bring something fresh to the series.

Agree. I like Vegetto just as much as anyone else but we just got him in Black's arc and in order to form him they'll need the Kai's earrings which would mean he'd have to be on the battlefield with them, something that won't make much sense.

[Miracles]

Gogeta Blue being in a game doesn't mean he will appear in the movie cause Goku and Vegeta can already go Blue in the game? So it makes sense to have Gogeta Blue.

Come on people.

This would be true if we were talking about heroes but it being part of a XV2 Broly set releasing alongside the movie is too big of a coincidence. I don't know if you heard but there are 2 secret figures that are being released as well, both of which are more important than Blue Vegeta and Golden Freeza so you can add that to the Gogeta fire. We're getting a "canon" Broly, is Gogeta really that far out there of an idea for you to believe ?

Only the idea of Gogeta being in the movie based on a video game is.

Besides that, If we look at the canon continuity of Dragonball, Toriyama would not allow Goku and Vegeta to fuse against a single opponent. It's not in Goku and Vegeta's nature to do so. They refused against Kid Buu. Fusion is highly unlikely but people are pretty much trying to push their fusion fandom in the movie cause they are exaggerating the "Fanservice movie" theme to possibly bring their fan hopes alive. I'm sorry, I believe UI Goku will be in the movie, he will most likely beat Broly looking at the trailer.

[ricky84]

You claim goku having ssj4 makes up for him being turned into child which did regress his character as well because he started acting like a kid in episode 7 specifically and you ignore the fact that super saiyan 4 was revealed in episode 34 when he was turned into a kid in episode 1 nearly 33 episodes later, half of Gt's total and wasn't even super saiyan 4 all the time for the rest of the series.

People keep claiming this, but I am still waiting for what people are referring to when they claimed turning him into a kid regressed his character enough to hurt the plot. Because to me, a kid acting like a kid in comedic filler scenes is pretty much just logical. The fact that Goku in GT could go in and out of the tone shifts at all was proof they knew when to apply what scenes to his character. Where as Goku in Super is a sourable argument of his regression as a character, even in comparison to himself in DB. In Super Goku was literally only written to get serious when people started complaining that he never was serious in Super. So what did Toei throw in? A cheesy rage boost. Because thats what the Super writers think a serious character is.

See thats the issue, THERE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANY COMEDIC FILLER IN THE BLACK STAR ARC!!!! The world was in danger and dragon balls couldn't fix it. There was no real reason for Goku to goof off during that arc and him being a kid was the excuse made for it. Thats the problem, the fact that you are saying a kid acting like a kid makes sense, thats all the proof i need to know that changing him to a kid messed with his character which is why they added super saiyan 4. They literally made a transformation just to fix a problem that didn't need to be there.

Goku was serious in super when he needed to be, because super wasn't always serious in the first place and when he was goofing off he could afford to. When beerus started fighting serious, goku did to. When Freeza transformed, Goku took it seriously. When he fought hit he took it seriously. When he fought rose he took it seriously. When he fought merged zamasu he took it seriously. In fact, he took some things too seriously like going blue against his friends and when he fought jiren he took nit seriously.

Any other time, he didn't care. He was flanderize at times but it wasn't consistent, i mean for fuck sake, he had an actually job, you can't get more serious than that.

There is no evidence to suggest Goku started going seriousl in super around that time, let alone because people complained. Don't overestimate yourself

I wouldn't arguments from SingleFringe&Sparks too seriously lmao. He is known for pro-GT hypocrisy and double standards.

The notion that Goku only started acting serious in Super when people started to complain about him not be serious is clearly bullshit. He was serious when Beerus threaten to blow up the Earth. He was serious throughout the whole conflict with Golden Freeza. Hit was never a joke to him and he took Black serious the moment he when SSJ Rose. And virtually every scene of Goku with Jiren was him taking the situation seriously.

GT on the other hand was filled with misplaced comedy in scenes where it isn't warrant, like this for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooFZ0650cpk

I don't recall Goku acting anything like that in a middle of a fight with G.Freeza, Hit, Black nor Jiren.

[FortuneSSJ]

Gogeta is the least of my concerns, when DB Minus is coming. Somente stop Toriyama, please.

[Jackalope89]

Gogeta is the least of my concerns, when DB Minus is coming. Somente stop Toriyama, please.

Nah, bring ALL the Minus in!

[Majin Jator]

The problem with Gogeta is the Fusion Dance; Goku and Vegeta have never practiced it. So they either nail it under pressure at the first try, with is a bit of a stretch, or worst we got again the trite gag of fusion going wrong.

[Kataphrut]

Gogeta suddenly being in this movie doesn't hinder my excitement at all. I trust Toriyama enough to do this right. Though I'd be lying if I said that I wanted to see Goku and Vegeta fuse again. It just doesn't feel appropriate to fuse against an opponent like Broly that's stronger through their own power.

Goku and Vegeta fused against Buu because their families were murdered/absorbed by him, so they felt the need to work together and make him pay. They fused against Merged Zamasu to even out the playing field, since Goku Black and Zamasu decided to fuse. It's all felt appropriate so far. They need to find a convincing reason to have Goku and Vegeta fuse against someone like Broly. Broly's a Saiyan. How the hell will anyone convince Goku and especially Vegeta to fuse to put up a fight against another Saiyan? They didn't even do that with Jiren and he wiped the fucking floor with them. Their universe was at stake in that circumstance and they were allowed to fuse, yet even then they chose not to.

I honestly don't know how they'll fuse in this movie without it feeling forced. Please prove me wrong, Toriyama.

You've pretty much summed up my issue. I can get behind Gogeta if they justify it well enough (although I'm not exactly jumping for joy- he is so much less interesting than Vegetto), but with everything else going on in the movie so far, and it's apparent continued focus on Goku and Vegeta's individual growth, it's going to take a lot to have fusion make sense, especially the dance. Movie 12 and GT handwaved it, but the fact that Vegeta would even know the dance in this continuity, let alone consider using it against a non-fused opponent is tough to swallow.

The only thing that gives me hope for this is the fact that the last thing Toriyama had a direct hand in, Resurrection F, set up the idea of Goku and Vegeta working together as the ultimate endgame. It also ended with them saying "nah screw that" because hooray for anticlimaxes, but maybe that will get a payoff this time around.

[sintzu]

With everything else going on in the movie so far, and it's apparent continued focus on Goku and Vegeta's individual growth, it's going to take a lot to have fusion make sense, especially the dance.

Fusion will make sense if they have to pick between it and dying. In the trailer Goku in his Blue form was having trouble with base Broly so them somehow taking him down after he goes through 2 transformations will make less sense than fusing. They can use fusion to show their growth in the sense of them accepting to work together, even if it means fusing.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Gogeta Blue being in a game doesn't mean he will appear in the movie cause Goku and Vegeta can already go Blue in the game? So it makes sense to have Gogeta Blue.

Come on people.

This would be true if we were talking about heroes but it being part of a XV2 Broly set releasing alongside the movie is too big of a coincidence. I don't know if you heard but there are 2 secret figures that are being released as well, both of which are more important than Blue Vegeta and Golden Freeza so you can add that to the Gogeta fire. We're getting a "canon" Broly, is Gogeta really that far out there of an idea for you to believe ?

Bandai have labelled him Movie Character A1 & A2... rather than A & B... so that settles it Gogeta has two forms. Either Gogeta Red or Blue or Gogeta Blue or Silver.

[sintzu]

Bandai have labelled him Movie Character A1 & A2... rather than A & B... so that settles it Gogeta has two forms. Either Gogeta Red or Blue or Gogeta Blue or Silver.

When Vegetto showed up against Zamasu he was in base then transformed into Blue so assuming they use fusion at the last minute they could both be in base which will result in a base Gogeta who then goes Blue. Regardless of how he shows up or what he uses, it's going to be the most epic thing we see.

[Miracles]

Gogeta Blue being in a game doesn't mean he will appear in the movie cause Goku and Vegeta can already go Blue in the game? So it makes sense to have Gogeta Blue.

Come on people.

This would be true if we were talking about heroes but it being part of a XV2 Broly set releasing alongside the movie is too big of a coincidence. I don't know if you heard but there are 2 secret figures that are being released as well, both of which are more important than Blue Vegeta and Golden Freeza so you can add that to the Gogeta fire. We're getting a "canon" Broly, is Gogeta really that far out there of an idea for you to believe ?

Bandai have labelled him Movie Character A1 & A2... rather than A & B... so that settles it Gogeta has two forms. Either Gogeta Red or Blue or Gogeta Blue or Silver.

Bandai? Come on...This isn't confirmation of anything.

[sintzu]

This would be true if we were talking about heroes but it being part of a XV2 Broly set releasing alongside the movie is too big of a coincidence. I don't know if you heard but there are 2 secret figures that are being released as well, both of which are more important than Blue Vegeta and Golden Freeza so you can add that to the Gogeta fire. We're getting a "canon" Broly, is Gogeta really that far out there of an idea for you to believe ?

Bandai have labelled him Movie Character A1 & A2... rather than A & B... so that settles it Gogeta has two forms. Either Gogeta Red or Blue or Gogeta Blue or Silver.

Bandai? Come on...This isn't confirmation of anything.

If all these signs aren't enough to convince you of the possibility of him showing up then I think you're just in denial about it.

[Draconic]

I really hope it's just Gogeta Blue and not UI Gogeta. Wouldn't mind God Gogeta, but UI would be pushing it too damn far.

[Kenneth La Torre]

I really hope it's just Gogeta Blue and not UI Gogeta. Wouldn't mind God Gogeta, but UI would be pushing it too damn far.

Damn, I'm now imagining how fucking op broly could be if it actually takes UI gogeta to do it.

Tho its probably base and blue.

[Sora Saiyan]

I really hope it's just Gogeta Blue and not UI Gogeta. Wouldn't mind God Gogeta, but UI would be pushing it too damn far.

Damn, I'm now imagining how fucking op broly could be if it actually takes UI gogeta to do it.

Tho its probably base and blue.

If it were UI Gogeta I wouldn’t know how Goku could ever beat Broly 1 on 1. We shouldn’t see a UI fusion at least until UI has become a totally normal form for them to use.

Like you said it’s very likely Base and Blue, but I’d love to see God and Blue.

[Kenneth La Torre]

I really hope it's just Gogeta Blue and not UI Gogeta. Wouldn't mind God Gogeta, but UI would be pushing it too damn far.

Damn, I'm now imagining how fucking op broly could be if it actually takes UI gogeta to do it.

Tho its probably base and blue.

If it were UI Gogeta I wouldn’t know how Goku could ever beat Broly 1 on 1. We shouldn’t see a UI fusion at least until UI has become a totally normal form for them to use.

Like you said it’s very likely Base and Blue, but I’d love to see God and Blue.

Well we did get statements about goku not winning on his own. So maybe broly could be that op.

[Sora Saiyan]

Damn, I'm now imagining how fucking op broly could be if it actually takes UI gogeta to do it.

Tho its probably base and blue.

If it were UI Gogeta I wouldn’t know how Goku could ever beat Broly 1 on 1. We shouldn’t see a UI fusion at least until UI has become a totally normal form for them to use.

Like you said it’s very likely Base and Blue, but I’d love to see God and Blue.

Well we did get statements about goku not winning on his own. So maybe broly could be that op.

I guess if they want to put Goku above a UI Gogeta they could just give him another new form, and that way he’d surpass this Broly (depending on if Broly is above or below Gogeta). I like the idea of a perfected UI being sort of end game though, so making Broly that strong would be way too much. A UI Gogeta could come very close to angel tier, if not actually reaching it.

[sintzu]

Damn, I'm now imagining how fucking op broly could be if it actually takes UI gogeta to do it.

Tho its probably base and blue.

If it were UI Gogeta I wouldn’t know how Goku could ever beat Broly 1 on 1. We shouldn’t see a UI fusion at least until UI has become a totally normal form for them to use.

Like you said it’s very likely Base and Blue, but I’d love to see God and Blue.

Well we did get statements about goku not winning on his own. So maybe broly could be that op.

Broly in his base was beating up a Blue Goku so we know he's op.

[Draconic]

I really hope it's just Gogeta Blue and not UI Gogeta. Wouldn't mind God Gogeta, but UI would be pushing it too damn far.

Damn, I'm now imagining how fucking op broly could be if it actually takes UI gogeta to do it.

Tho its probably base and blue.

Exactly! Way too overkill. I think it would be God and Blue, though. Ties too well into Vegeta getting it too and the ship has sailed on giving Gogeta a base form, especially in what will probably be a short sequence anyway.