The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ricky84]

1. Super Vegito ( Buu Arc) vs ToP piccolo?
2. Manga Gohan vs Manga Golden Freeza?
3. SSG Vegito (end of ToP) vs LB Jiren ?
4. A17 vs Golden Freeza?
5. ssj2 caulifla (episode 113 onwards) vs ssj2 future trunks (Black arc episode 56 onwards)?

1. Piccolo stomps, as ToP Piccolo> base Goku & Vegeta (DBS)> Buu arc Vegito
2. Gohan one shots
3. ToP Vegito would need SSB to win
4. A17 if anime, Golden Freeza if manga
5. Trunks wins with extreme difficultly. Its basically an even fight but F.Trunks has more skill.

[GT_Goten10]

Baby Vegito Black(Baby Vegeta&Goku Black)Vs Vegito SSG(U6)
Who would win?

[sunsetshimmer]

Baby Vegito Black(Baby Vegeta&Goku Black)Vs Vegito SSG(U6)
Who would win?

Baby Vegito Black one shots

Vegito Blue was already struggling a bit with Fused Zamasu and he was way stronger than hypothetical Vegito Blue from U6 arc, not to mention Vegito SSJG
Baby Vegeta would one shot Future Zamasu obviously
So Baby Vegito Black >> Fused Zamasu >> Vegito SSJG (U6)

[dragon boss z]

1. Super Vegito ( Buu Arc) vs ToP piccolo?

1. Piccolo stomps, as ToP Piccolo> base Goku & Vegeta (DBS)> Buu arc Vegito

Piccolo is not stronger than base Goku and Vegeta. He needed to charge up his strongest attack just to attempt to challenge Goku in the Piccolo/Gohan vs Goku/Tien fight.

[Puaru]

He's talking about the anime. In the anime Gohan isn't very impressive

Gohan wasn't impressive in the anime because he never got a chance to do anything impressive. He only got to fight absolute nobodys like Dyspo and namekians and shit. The manga proved that Gohan is strong.

[PFM18]

1. Super Vegito ( Buu Arc) vs ToP piccolo?

1. Piccolo stomps, as ToP Piccolo> base Goku & Vegeta (DBS)> Buu arc Vegito

Piccolo is not stronger than base Goku and Vegeta. He needed to charge up his strongest attack just to attempt to challenge Goku in the Piccolo/Gohan vs Goku/Tien fight.

Exactly. No real evidence he is stronger than the current Base Saiyans

[ZombieVito]

Of course 17 and Gohan are weaker than Super Saiyan Blue Goku. 17 and Gohan couldn't do anything to Toppo and Goku had the upperhand on him in the exhibition match. Vegeta also had the upper hand on him when they fought during the TOP. And Golden Frieza is equal to Super Saiyan Blue Goku as stated so he is also stronger than Toppo thus stronger than 17 and Gohan.

The guy literally doesn't pay attention to what he's seeing.

To add to this in E118 17 couldn't even stand inside the Black hole while an EXHAUSTED Blue Goku could.

Vegeta was also on par with Toppo who he is weaker than Goku. Their little "fight" in the last episode proves nothing.

[dragon boss z]

He's talking about the anime. In the anime Gohan isn't very impressive

Gohan wasn't impressive in the anime because he never got a chance to do anything impressive. He only got to fight absolute nobodys like Dyspo and namekians and shit. The manga proved that Gohan is strong.

The manga and anime don't follow the same exact scale. Gohan is SSG to low Blue tier. In the manga it's hard to tell but he seems between Blue and mastered Blue for now.

[ZombieVito]

1. Piccolo stomps, as ToP Piccolo> base Goku & Vegeta (DBS)> Buu arc Vegito

Piccolo is not stronger than base Goku and Vegeta. He needed to charge up his strongest attack just to attempt to challenge Goku in the Piccolo/Gohan vs Goku/Tien fight.

Exactly. No real evidence he is stronger than the current Base Saiyans

Beating a SS2 Gohan is not evidence enough?

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo is not stronger than base Goku and Vegeta. He needed to charge up his strongest attack just to attempt to challenge Goku in the Piccolo/Gohan vs Goku/Tien fight.

Exactly. No real evidence he is stronger than the current Base Saiyans[/quote]

He was blocking several hits from Frost with one hand and forced Frost to cheat to defeat him. Not exactly a feat a Base Saiyan can perform, if you ask me.

[PFM18]

Piccolo is not stronger than base Goku and Vegeta. He needed to charge up his strongest attack just to attempt to challenge Goku in the Piccolo/Gohan vs Goku/Tien fight.

Exactly. No real evidence he is stronger than the current Base Saiyans

Beating a SS2 Gohan is not evidence enough?

No it isn't. Gohan /=/ Goku/Vegeta

Piccolo is not stronger than base Goku and Vegeta. He needed to charge up his strongest attack just to attempt to challenge Goku in the Piccolo/Gohan vs Goku/Tien fight.

Exactly. No real evidence he is stronger than the current Base Saiyans

He was blocking several hits from Frost with one hand and forced Frost to cheat to defeat him. Not exactly a feat a Base Saiyan can perform, if you ask me.[/quote]

This was a Frost who came almost immediately came following being beaten so badly that he can barely even stand up anymore. Also, by Piccolo's admittance and by Goku's estimations, Frost>>Piccolo in terms of power. The SBC provides a very substantial amp and that is how he was going to be able to bridge the gap, his actual power was far inferior.

[Puaru]

Gohan is SSG to low Blue tier.

No no no, that's too low and lame. 17 and Future Trunks and Freeza all reached SSB level even with just regular training. It only makes sense that Gohan also recahed at least that level. Why wouldn't he? Gohan has more potential than those. It's just that the anime was written by idiots who never showed Gohan do anything impressive. But then the writer of the manga corrected that and now I can respect Gohan again.

[ZombieVito]

Exactly. No real evidence he is stronger than the current Base Saiyans

Beating a SS2 Gohan is not evidence enough?

No it isn't. Gohan /=/ Goku/Vegeta

Gohan can't be 100 times weaker than Goku, that just can't be. This will also make Lavender much weaker than Bergamo.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

This was a Frost who came almost immediately came following being beaten so badly that he can barely even stand up anymore. Also, by Piccolo's admittance and by Goku's estimations, Frost>>Piccolo in terms of power. The SBC provides a very substantial amp and that is how he was going to be able to bridge the gap, his actual power was far inferior.

And Vegeta still needed to go Super Saiyan to stomp Frost... Even weakened, Frost > Base Vegeta, and the same applies to Piccolo. At lowest you could say Vegeta >= Frost by an amount that Vegeta can't beat him easily, but that still places Piccolo in rivaling range with Base Saiyans.

I can't be bothered to confirm it right now but IIRC Goku even got surprised by Piccolo's perfomance. Only skill and powerful techniques aren't enough to close a gap. Think about how Piccolo would've fared alone against Raditz... He's more skillful and has the Makankosappo, but he wouldn't have the reflexes to even see his attacks coming, let alone the strength to block them without getting his hand ripped off.

[dragon boss z]

Beating a SS2 Gohan is not evidence enough?

That ssj2 Gohan was probably buu saga ssj2 tier. Piccolo clearly won that fight with technique anyways. The next episode shows base Goku above Picccolo, and Piccolo is still weaker than final form Frieza who is base Goku level.
And I could throw your arguent right back saying "Is tired base Goku beating initial ssj2 Caulifla not enough".

He was blocking several hits from Frost with one hand and forced Frost to cheat to defeat him. Not exactly a feat a Base Saiyan can perform, if you ask me.

It was clearly stated Frost was stronger than Piccolo and Goku said he stood no chance. Base Vegeta knocked Frost back in the ToP as well.

But all of that is irrelevant as ToP Piccolo and Goku fought, and Piccolo resorted to his strongest attack which failed to beat base Goku. Nothing else is needed.

Gohan is SSG to low Blue tier.

No no no, that's too low and lame. 17 and Future Trunks and Freeza all reached SSB level even with just regular training. It only makes sense that Gohan also recahed at least that level. Why wouldn't he? Gohan has more potential than those. It's just that the anime was written by idiots who never showed Gohan do anything impressive. But then the writer of the manga corrected that and now I can respect Gohan again.

1. all the characters you mentioned trained way longer than Gohan did (who trained for like 1 day)
2. Future Trunks and Frieza only reached SSB level with a new transformation, and I would actually put Future Trunks and 17 at SSG to low Blue tier as well.

And something being lame isn't an argument. Gohan and 17 together were having trouble with base Toppo who is SSB level. both of them are at max SSB level.

[Ssjcell]

oG broly vs fat buu

[ricky84]

SSJ4 Baby Vegeta vs Syn Shenron
Base Dyspo vs SSG Goku (Black arc)
SSJ Rage Trunks (peak, no Hope Sword) vs Full Power Base Toppo
SSJ2 Vegeta (ToP) vs SSJ2 Caulifla & SSJ1 Kale
Suppressed Jiren (ep. 110) vs Black arc Vegito & Merged Zamasu
SSJ Bardock (EoB) vs Namek saga Piccolo

[PFM18]

That ssj2 Gohan was probably buu saga ssj2 tier. Piccolo clearly won that fight with technique anyways. The next episode shows base Goku above Picccolo, and Piccolo is still weaker than final form Frieza who is base Goku level.
And I could throw your arguent right back saying "Is tired base Goku beating initial ssj2 Caulifla not enough".

It was clearly stated Frost was stronger than Piccolo and Goku said he stood no chance. Base Vegeta knocked Frost back in the ToP as well.

But all of that is irrelevant as ToP Piccolo and Goku fought, and Piccolo resorted to his strongest attack which failed to beat base Goku. Nothing else is needed.

You said it better than I. There's really no reason to believe that Piccolo is stronger than the insanely powerful Base Goku/Vegeta.

1. all the characters you mentioned trained way longer than Gohan did (who trained for like 1 day)
2. Future Trunks and Frieza only reached SSB level with a new transformation, and I would actually put Future Trunks and 17 at SSG to low Blue tier as well.

That's what I was trying to tell him.

Future Trunks and 17 literally trained for over a decade to achieve thier associated boosts.

And yes, Future Trunks needed the Rage form to get anywhere close to SSB level.

[ahill1]

Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai) vs Yajirobe (first appearence)

Tenshinhan could provide Goku a tough battle and make him exhausted in the post battle, whereas Goku, upon attacking Yajirobe once thinking he is Tambourine's ally, concluded he is the toughest person he has ever met. So, who'd prevail here, in your opinion?

[dragon boss z]

Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai) vs Yajirobe (first appearence)

Tenshinhan could provide Goku a tough battle and make him exhausted in the post battle, whereas Goku, upon attacking Yajirobe once thinking he Tambourine's ally, concluded he is the toughest person he has ever met. So, who'd prevail here, in your opinion?

Tien due to better techniques.