The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dragon boss z]

Master roshi vs majin spopovich

Spopovich stomps. Babidi actually thought he could do a good job collecting energy at the Budokai, despite his latest info on Earth being from a time when being like Piccolo Daimao, Master Mutaito and Prime Roshi walked around

I don't think anything was mentioned about them knowing about Piccolo Daimo or Roshi.

Plus Spopovich shows a flight aura, and fighters weren't show to have flight auras until the Saiyan Arc.

That doesn't mean much of anything. Spopovich could barely shoot ki blasts and got his neck broken by Videl who was barely super human. Roshi was able to vaporize mountains (and the moon but that was an oultier imo) since the beginning of the series. He also can put people to sleep, hypnosis, the lightning surprise, and just has way better feats than either Spopovich or Videl.

Goku literally said they couldn't lose if they perfect fusion, and Piccolo gave the ok to Gotenks' Ki when SSJ Gotenks was born, only asking if his speed was as good.

When Goku said that it was before he ever felt Buu's full power as Buu's power is only at it's maximum when angry.
As for the speed I see two translations, one just says "see what you can do" and the other says "you have great power but can you move?"
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[RandomGuy96]

Master roshi vs majin spopovich

Spopovich got his neck broken by Videl. Would have died if not for Babidi's charm. He's a weakling who anyone with a gun could kill.

Majin Vegeta vs. Good Buu

That being the weaker Good Buu who lost the majority of his power after the split.

Frost in his Third Form vs. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks

I don't think people give Good Buu enough credit. He put up a decent fight against Kid Buu, about as much as Goku did. I think he'd handle Vegeta the exact same way Fat Buu did.

Base Gotenks stomps, assuming this is Z Gotenks. I don't buy any of the Super wank at all.

New match:

- Namek Super Saiyan Goku vs. Mecha Freeza

Goku, thoroughly annoyed with him by this point, kills him in one shot instead of letting him go through that long-ass transformation sequence to reach 100%. Much like Trunks.

[Puaru]

ToP Gohan vs SSJR Goku Black.

I say ToP Gohan because he is as strong as SSJ Kefla.

[TobyS]

ToP Gohan vs SSJR Goku Black.

I say ToP Gohan because he is as strong as SSJ Kefla.

Contrary to what whiners are crying about, although she initially appeared to not Golden and Bluku around Freeza said ever one could have took her iirc.

So if she's nebulously weaker than them it's hard to see how she compares to Manga Rose...

[Puaru]

ToP Gohan vs SSJR Goku Black.

I say ToP Gohan because he is as strong as SSJ Kefla.

Contrary to what whiners are crying about, although she initially appeared to not Golden and Bluku around Freeza said ever one could have took her iirc.

So if she's nebulously weaker than them it's hard to see how she compares to Manga Rose...

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I'm pretty sure Gohan is stronger than SSJR Black. SSJR Black couldn't beat Kefla.

[Zamasu55]

10 new fights, the DBS ones are anime only:

1) True Golden Freeza vs Hit (U6 arc, can kill)
2) Ssj2 Goku (ToP) vs Base Vegeta (beginning of RoF arc, basically the one who, according to Goku, got much stronger than his BoG self)
3) Base Vegito (Buu saga, anime) vs Freeza (base, RoF arc)
4) Cocotte vs 18 (Buu saga)
5) Future 17 and Future 18 vs Ssj Goku, Ssj Vegeta and Ssj Future Trunks (all Androids arc, no heart virus for Goku)
6) Super Buu vs Ssj3 Goku (13th Movie)
7) Perfect Cell vs Ssj Gohan (RoF arc)
Piccolo (Buu saga) vs Bio-Broly
9) Ledgic vs Baby Gohan and Baby Goten
10) Goku, Vegeta, Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Mr. Buu, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, Tienshinhan and Yamcha (all from the Buu saga, basically U7 team if the Tournament of Power had happened some years earlier; fusion dance is allowed but NO POTARAS) vs U6 team (Cabba, Kale and Caulifla never met the U7 Saiyans, so they don't know how to turn Ssj).

[ZombieVito]

And how could Champa possibly know about Freeza's Golden form?

Not exactly that he had another form. He just sensed he had more power hidden within, the same way Kuririn sensed that Trunks was holding back SSG3 to not show Vegeta he was stronger.

[RecolorSaiyan]

10 new fights, the DBS ones are anime only:

1) True Golden Freeza vs Hit (U6 arc, can kill)
2) Ssj2 Goku (ToP) vs Base Vegeta (beginning of RoF arc, basically the one who, according to Goku, got much stronger than his BoG self)
3) Base Vegito (Buu saga, anime) vs Freeza (base, RoF arc)
4) Cocotte vs 18 (Buu saga)
5) Future 17 and Future 18 vs Ssj Goku, Ssj Vegeta and Ssj Future Trunks (all Androids arc, no heart virus for Goku)
6) Super Buu vs Ssj3 Goku (13th Movie)
7) Perfect Cell vs Ssj Gohan (RoF arc)
Piccolo (Buu saga) vs Bio-Broly
9) Ledgic vs Baby Gohan and Baby Goten
10) Goku, Vegeta, Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Mr. Buu, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, Tienshinhan and Yamcha (all from the Buu saga, basically U7 team if the Tournament of Power had happened some years earlier; fusion dance is allowed but NO POTARAS) vs U6 team (Cabba, Kale and Caulifla never met the U7 Saiyans, so they don't know how to turn Ssj).

1.) Hit
2.) Ssj2 goku
3.) Freeza
4.) Cocotte
5.)Saiyans
6.)ssj3 goku
7.)ssj gohan
8.)Bio Broly
9.)Baby Gohan and Baby Goten
10.) u6 team

[RecolorSaiyan]

ToP Gohan vs SSJR Goku Black.

I say ToP Gohan because he is as strong as SSJ Kefla.

Manga Gohan easily wins

Anime SSR Goku Black easily wins

[PFM18]

And how could Champa possibly know about Freeza's Golden form?

Not exactly that he had another form. He just sensed he had more power hidden within, the same way Kuririn sensed that Trunks was holding back SSG3 to not show Vegeta he was stronger.

I guess that's possible but I think the implication was just that Freeza was stronger in equivalent forms and considering that Freeza is as strong as current Goku in their similar forms then it makes sense. Goku should have long since surpassed Frost in his Base

[Dragon Ball Gus]

New Hypothetical Battles

1.) Ultimate Gohan (with God ki) vs Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black

2.) Freeku (Goku and Freeza potara fusion) vs Jiren

3.) Super Saiyan Blue Caulifla and Super Saiyan 4 Kale vs Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta (Future Trunks Arc; No Kaioken for Goku)

4.) Piccolo (with God ki after training with Whis) vs Golden Freeza (Resurrection F)

5. MUI Vegetto (Post Survival arc) vs Whis

6. SSJ4 Kafla vs Champa

7. SSB Cabba vs Hit

[Noah]

Namek Super Saiyan Goku vs. Mecha Freeza

Goku, thoroughly annoyed with him by this point, kills him in one shot instead of letting him go through that long-ass transformation sequence to reach 100%. Much like Trunks.

I don't think Freeza need to use his 100% form while in his mechanic state, can't he use his full power on the same state he is?

I remember reading that somewhere: but Freeza still need to use his 100% form with his mechanic inchancements? I thought he could simply be at full power and still not change his physique.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don't think anything was mentioned about them knowing about Piccolo Daimo or Roshi.

It's strongly implied. Last time they checked the world was 300 years ago:
Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P14.3
Context: after Vegeta kills Pui-Pui
Bobiddi: “Wh-Why are there people with that kind of power on Earth…?!!”
Dabra: "When I had [the Earth] investigated about 300 years ago there wasn’t anyone like this…”


Roshi is established as being over 300 years old. Checking the timeline this probably was after the time Piccolo was defeated, but super humans like Roshi and Tao were already walking around by this time.

That doesn't mean much of anything. Spopovich could barely shoot ki blasts and got his neck broken by Videl who was barely super human. Roshi was able to vaporize mountains (and the moon but that was an oultier imo) since the beginning of the series. He also can put people to sleep, hypnosis, the lightning surprise, and just has way better feats than either Spopovich or Videl.

It does. We see people like BoZ Goku and Piccolo, Raditz and even Saiyan Arc Gohan and Kuririn not display an aura despite flying at full speed, yet Goku had one after training with Kaio. I'd think you need at least a BP of 2-3k to have an aura based on this.

It was made pretty clear Spopovich was holding back against her though. Vegeta even said he held back his Ki blast to not end up killing her:
Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P12.2-5
Kuririn: “Th-that bastard, he [fired] a ki wave…though it didn’t have that much ki power…!”
Vegeta: “No…He’d lose if he killed her. He purposefully fired a weak one…”
Goku: “…It seems like he has power far surpassing his own abilities…I don’t get it…What’s going on?...”
We don't know how powerful a blast from Spopovich would be, but it could probably do more damage. Something between Piccolo Jr blowing up and Island in the Budokai and Nappa blowing up a country in Z.

While i do agree Roshi's techniques should give him an edge, Spopovich's majin durability is too much for Roshi to overcome. I mean, he survived getting his neck snapped.

When Goku said that it was before he ever felt Buu's full power as Buu's power is only at it's maximum when angry.
As for the speed I see two translations, one just says "see what you can do" and the other says "you have great power but can you move?"
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I believe the one from the top is the "official" one from Viz, with the one on the bottom being a fanslation. The original statement is this one though, according to Herms:
Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3
Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time
Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little.”
Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.”

Piccolo gives the ok to his power (Your ki really is absolutely incredible" and only asks if his speed is on pair). The exact same way i described the scene.

Spopovich got his neck broken by Videl. Would have died if not for Babidi's charm. He's a weakling who anyone with a gun could kill.

If he survived his head turning 180 degrees and casually put it back on palce, how can a gun kill him?

Base Gotenks stomps, assuming this is Z Gotenks. I don't buy any of the Super wank at all.

Do you think Base Gotenks is super strong, or do you just think Frost is pathetic?

[RecolorSaiyan]

New Hypothetical Battles

1.) Ultimate Gohan (with God ki) vs Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black

2.) Freeku (Goku and Freeza potara fusion) vs Jiren

3.) Super Saiyan Blue Caulifla and Super Saiyan 4 Kale vs Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta (Future Trunks Arc; No Kaioken for Goku)

4.) Piccolo (with God ki after training with Whis) vs Golden Freeza (Resurrection F)

5. MUI Vegetto (Post Survival arc) vs Whis

6. SSJ4 Kafla vs Champa

7. SSB Cabba vs Hit

1.) Ultimate Gohan
2.) Freeku
3.) u6 saiyans
4.) Golden Freeza, Goku and Vegeta were leagues above Piccolo when they went to whis to train and have shown bigger gains than him from training, so even Whis trained RoF Piccolo would get wrecked
5.) Whis
6.) Kafla
7.) Hit

[RandomGuy96]

If he survived his head turning 180 degrees and casually put it back on palce, how can a gun kill him?

No evidence he can repair holes in his body, just snap things back into place when they break.

Do you think Base Gotenks is super strong, or do you just think Frost is pathetic?

I don't think Frost is all that strong.

[Ssjcell]

If he survived his head turning 180 degrees and casually put it back on palce, how can a gun kill him?

No evidence he can repair holes in his body, just snap things back into place when they break.

Do you think Base Gotenks is super strong, or do you just think Frost is pathetic?

I don't think Frost is all that strong.

I don't think Frost is that strong either I put him at like dabura level tops

[dragon boss z]

It's strongly implied. Last time they checked the world was 300 years ago:
Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P14.3
Context: after Vegeta kills Pui-Pui
Bobiddi: “Wh-Why are there people with that kind of power on Earth…?!!”
Dabra: "When I had [the Earth] investigated about 300 years ago there wasn’t anyone like this…”

Roshi is established as being over 300 years old. Checking the timeline this probably was after the time Piccolo was defeated, but super humans like Roshi and Tao were already walking around by this time.

That doesn't mean they new of every person on the entire planet. Or maybe they wouldn't expect Roshi or Taoi to enter the budokai, which they didn't. Majin Spopovich could beat most people on Earth, but Tao, Roshi, and Tsuru are exceptions.

It does. We see people like BoZ Goku and Piccolo, Raditz and even Saiyan Arc Gohan and Kuririn not display an aura despite flying at full speed, yet Goku had one after training with Kaio. I'd think you need at least a BP of 2-3k to have an aura based on this.

It was made pretty clear Spopovich was holding back against her though. Vegeta even said he held back his Ki blast to not end up killing her:
Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P12.2-5
Kuririn: “Th-that bastard, he [fired] a ki wave…though it didn’t have that much ki power…!”
Vegeta: “No…He’d lose if he killed her. He purposefully fired a weak one…”
Goku: “…It seems like he has power far surpassing his own abilities…I don’t get it…What’s going on?...”
We don't know how powerful a blast from Spopovich would be, but it could probably do more damage. Something between Piccolo Jr blowing up and Island in the Budokai and Nappa blowing up a country in Z.

While i do agree Roshi's techniques should give him an edge, Spopovich's majin durability is too much for Roshi to overcome. I mean, he survived getting his neck snapped.

Basing power level off of having an aura is just head canon though.

I believe the one from the top is the "official" one from Viz, with the one on the bottom being a fanslation. The original statement is this one though, according to Herms:
Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3
Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time
Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little.”
Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.”

Piccolo gives the ok to his power (Your ki really is absolutely incredible" and only asks if his speed is on pair). The exact same way i described the scene.

Ya, but it just makes it sound like ssj Gotenks is Buu tier, if he was above I feel like Piccolo was be more assured in his victory.

[ZombieVito]

And how could Champa possibly know about Freeza's Golden form?

Not exactly that he had another form. He just sensed he had more power hidden within, the same way Kuririn sensed that Trunks was holding back SSG3 to not show Vegeta he was stronger.

I guess that's possible but I think the implication was just that Freeza was stronger in equivalent forms and considering that Freeza is as strong as current Goku in their similar forms then it makes sense. Goku should have long since surpassed Frost in his Base

Well I personally don't have Goku getting múltiple times stronger since nowhere is that implied.

[ricky84]

10 new fights, the DBS ones are anime only:

1) True Golden Freeza vs Hit (U6 arc, can kill)
2) Ssj2 Goku (ToP) vs Base Vegeta (beginning of RoF arc, basically the one who, according to Goku, got much stronger than his BoG self)
3) Base Vegito (Buu saga, anime) vs Freeza (base, RoF arc)
4) Cocotte vs 18 (Buu saga)
5) Future 17 and Future 18 vs Ssj Goku, Ssj Vegeta and Ssj Future Trunks (all Androids arc, no heart virus for Goku)
6) Super Buu vs Ssj3 Goku (13th Movie)
7) Perfect Cell vs Ssj Gohan (RoF arc)
Piccolo (Buu saga) vs Bio-Broly
9) Ledgic vs Baby Gohan and Baby Goten
10) Goku, Vegeta, Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Mr. Buu, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, Tienshinhan and Yamcha (all from the Buu saga, basically U7 team if the Tournament of Power had happened some years earlier; fusion dance is allowed but NO POTARAS) vs U6 team (Cabba, Kale and Caulifla never met the U7 Saiyans, so they don't know how to turn Ssj).

1. Freeza wins, mid-difficulty
2. Goku wins. Vegeta's base isn't that much stronger than Goku's
3. Freeza stomps
4. Cocotte one shots
5. Androids win, high-difficuly
6. Goku one shots (movies have different scaling)
7. Gohan still wins with ease
8. Bio-Broly one shots
9. Baby Gohan solos
10. Any U6 character could one shot and solo the Buu saga.

[ricky84]

New Hypothetical Battles

1.) Ultimate Gohan (with God ki) vs Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black

2.) Freeku (Goku and Freeza potara fusion) vs Jiren

3.) Super Saiyan Blue Caulifla and Super Saiyan 4 Kale vs Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta (Future Trunks Arc; No Kaioken for Goku)

4.) Piccolo (with God ki after training with Whis) vs Golden Freeza (Resurrection F)

5. MUI Vegetto (Post Survival arc) vs Whis

6. SSJ4 Kafla vs Champa

7. SSB Cabba vs Hit

1. God ki has nothing to do with raw strength, but if you are referring to ToP Gohan (either version) then he wins.
2. Jiren wins, the resulting fusion would be way weaker than Vegito
3. Caulifa's base in the ToP should be higher than Goku's and Vegeta's in the Black arc, so she would stomp them one-on-one.
4. see #1
5. We don't know exactly how much stronger Angels are compared to Hakaishin level characters.
6. Kefla would win mid-difficulty
7. Hit wins, mid to high difficulty since Cabba is aware of Hit's techniques.