The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dragon boss z]

Bojack and crew vs Perfect Cell and the Cell jrs.
Light Speed Dyspo vs Rose Black (scythe)
Future Zamasu vs Hit (Champa arc)
Android 16 vs Kamicollo & 17 (Z)
Merged Zamasu (halo) vs KKx20 Goku (ep.123)
Turles vs 1st Form Freeza (Z)
Kamicollo vs Future 17 & 18
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-Rosat) vs Hit (Champa arc)

-Cell and his kids are stronger with regen
-Black, Dyspo isn't strong enough to land a lethal blow.
-Hit is stronger but can't kill him. Stalemate?
-16 unless its post ROSAT Piccolo
-Goku may be stronger, but he can't win.
-Frieza
-17/18 if pre ROSAT after wearing him down, Piccolo if post ROSAT
-Vegeta if he gets to have his knowledge on Hit

Goku SSJG (BoG arc, manga) vs Vegetto SSJ (battle against Boohan)

--> Manga version of both characters. If Goku wins, make it a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto.

SSG Goku should at least be a bit above ssj Vegito, idk about ssj3.

Goku SSJG (BoG arc, manga) vs Vegetto SSJ (battle against Boohan)

--> Manga version of both characters. If Goku wins, make it a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto.

Goku wins against ssj vegetto and ssj3 vegetto.

When goku got the god form he stated "a whole new world opened up to me". He knew the power of vegetto and still made this statement

Fussion isn't Goku's own power and it's temporary so I doubt he would really count it. Goku was also probably taking growth into consideration. The bottom of God level is already at the peak of mortal level.

Shin vs Fuwa.
17 [ToP arc] vs Hit [U6 arc]. Killing is allowed.
Base Katopesla vs South Kaioshin.
Kuririn, Roshi and Tenshinhan [ToP arc] vs Lavender. No killing or poison allowed.
Base Cabba [ToP arc] vs 18 [ToP arc]
Ribrianne vs Final form Freeza [RoF arc]
Ultimate Gohan [E88] vs Future Zamasu [No immortality].
Piccolo [ToP arc] vs Frost [U6 arc].
Base Vegeta [RoF arc] vs SS3 Gotenks.
Base Goku [RoF arc] vs Ultimate Gohan.
Corrupted Merged Zamasu [No falling apart or immortality] vs Champa [No Hakai].
SSB Kaionen Vegetto [FT arc; No time limit] vs Grand Priest.

-Shin for having feats
-Hit if he can end it quickly. If not 17.
-South kaioshin
-They Mafuba him
-Depends if you think Cabba is really Goku/Vegeta level. Could go either way imo.
-Frieza stomps. Ribrianne lost to 18.
-Gohan, Zamasu was weaker than ssj2 Trunks
-Frost in a close fight
-Vegeta I guess
-Either way
-Champa can't kill him without hakai
-Grand Priest stomps, probably even UI Vegito

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Jaco vs Muten Roshi (No Super Manga included)

[Zamasu55]

Bojack and crew vs Perfect Cell and the Cell jrs.
Light Speed Dyspo vs Rose Black (scythe)
Future Zamasu vs Hit (Champa arc)
Android 16 vs Kamicollo & 17 (Z)
Merged Zamasu (halo) vs KKx20 Goku (ep.123)
Turles vs 1st Form Freeza (Z)
Kamicollo vs Future 17 & 18
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-Rosat) vs Hit (Champa arc)

- Cell and sons for the win imo.
- Dyspo is a tough one, as Golden Freeza (who's at least on par with Black) was having trouble with him. Is it enough to beat Goku Black? I don't think so actually.
- Hit can't do shit to him.
- Just watch Imperfect Cell's fight with those two, 16 is exactly as strong as him.
- Goku.
- If Turles eats enough fruits, he wins.
- Piccolo stomps so hard it's not even funny.
- Vegeta one-shots, seriously. The first SsjR Black was already stronger than Hit.

Shin vs Fuwa.
17 [ToP arc] vs Hit [U6 arc]. Killing is allowed.
Base Katopesla vs South Kaioshin.
Kuririn, Roshi and Tenshinhan [ToP arc] vs Lavender. No killing or poison allowed.
Base Cabba [ToP arc] vs 18 [ToP arc]
Ribrianne vs Final form Freeza [RoF arc]
Ultimate Gohan [E88] vs Future Zamasu [No immortality].
Piccolo [ToP arc] vs Frost [U6 arc].
Base Vegeta [RoF arc] vs SS3 Gotenks.
Base Goku [RoF arc] vs Ultimate Gohan.
Corrupted Merged Zamasu [No falling apart or immortality] vs Champa [No Hakai].
SSB Kaionen Vegetto [FT arc; No time limit] vs Grand Priest.

- Fuwa has no feats, while Shin was capable of paralyizing Ssj2 Gohan.
- Killing's allowed? Then Hit just kills him instantly like he did with Goku. 17 doesn't know him nor his techniques. All he can do is die.
- South Kaioshin put up a decent fight with Kid Buu before getting absorded. Base Katopesla has no feats sadly.
- Lavender beats them into a bloody pulp, unless Roshi seals him.
- Well, they certainly are on the same tier. But 18 has infinite energy, this gives her the win imo.
- Freeza stomps.
- Gohan wins.
- Piccolo became much stronger than before. Frost hasn't got a chance.
- By that time the Beyond God state existed, so Gotenks ends up like he did against Copy Vegeta.
- See above.
- Champa with some trouble.
- Grand Priest easily.

[Green]

Bojack and crew vs Perfect Cell and the Cell jrs.
Light Speed Dyspo vs Rose Black (scythe)
Future Zamasu vs Hit (Champa arc)
Android 16 vs Kamicollo & 17 (Z)
Merged Zamasu (halo) vs KKx20 Goku (ep.123)
Turles vs 1st Form Freeza (Z)
Kamicollo vs Future 17 & 18
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-Rosat) vs Hit (Champa arc)

I doubt Cell would fare any different against a serious Gohan than Bojack did, so the outcome of the fight relies entirely on the skirmish between the Cell Jrs and the crew. Going by a quick check on the wiki, one of the pirates was oneshotted by Trunks, who couldn't best a Cell Jr so... plus there's 7 of them.

I doubt Vegeta and Goku have made amazing gains since the Black Saga, maybe they're as strong as Black was, but Dyspo no sold Golden Freezer who's their equal. Dunno, maybe he can manage something with his clones or improve during the fight, but if Dyspo is bloodlusted he's going to settle this quickly.

Hit can't kill him, but he's way stronger.
16 molests.
Goku is stronger but, yet again, can't kill him.
Freezer.
If 17 and 18 are considerably weaker (80% atleast) than their present counterparts, Kamiccolo wins.
Vegeta > Black > Hit going by the director's statement.

Shin vs Fuwa.
17 [ToP arc] vs Hit [U6 arc]. Killing is allowed.
Base Katopesla vs South Kaioshin.
Kuririn, Roshi and Tenshinhan [ToP arc] vs Lavender. No killing or poison allowed.
Base Cabba [ToP arc] vs 18 [ToP arc]
Ribrianne vs Final form Freeza [RoF arc]
Ultimate Gohan [E88] vs Future Zamasu [No immortality].
Piccolo [ToP arc] vs Frost [U6 arc].
Base Vegeta [RoF arc] vs SS3 Gotenks.
Base Goku [RoF arc] vs Ultimate Gohan.
Corrupted Merged Zamasu [No falling apart or immortality] vs Champa [No Hakai].
SSB Kaionen Vegetto [FT arc; No time limit] vs Grand Priest.

Shin vs who?
17, I don't think he's weaker than a SSB from the Black Saga and one of those can best Hit as shown.
Katopesla has no reliable feats other than bothering Vegeta.
Lavender, easily.
Cabba.
Freezer.
Gohan kills him.
A really tired Frost was still above Vegeta, hard to know if Piccolo improved that much.
Yeah, not messing with Toei's base form shenanigans.
Imo, Merged Zamasu can win this match. He was pushing back Vegetto, who's on Beerus' level according to Toyotaro, and Champa is probably slightly weaker. No Hakai energy is a big drawback.
Vegetto gets baptized.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Roshi lived by himself on an island. There are billions of people on the planet, you can't just assume they know Roshi unless it's stated.

Actually, contrary to what i implied before, he doesn't even need to now who Roshi is. He just has to pick up his Kili meter and take a quick check at it, like Nappa did when he and Vegeta arrived on Earth:
Chapter: 213 (DBZ 19), P8.1
Nappa: “Hey, Vegeta!! Something's strange...! There's more than just one or two readings with a battle power of over 1,000! What's with this planet?..."
Vegeta: “Don't worry. They're no match for us, after all. For the time being, let's just search for the guy with the highest battle power...”

Or maybe auras weren't thought up by him yet? Or maybe he just didn't feel like drawing it at certain times (strong characters don't always have an aura).
Roshi has way better feats than Spopovich who just seemed like a superhuman who was hard to kill.
Spopovich moved slow enough for regular humans to track him, and his "ki blast" was really just a force push in the manga that barely did anything. Roshi would vaporize him with his kamehameha that he doesn't have the speed feats to react to.

Maybe for the BoZ characters, but by the Saiyan Arc suppressed Goku at 5k was the weakest character to have a flight aura, whereas Toriyama never bothered to give Kuririn and Gohan flight auras until after Guru unlocked their dormant powers on Namek. I think this implies you need to reach a certain plateau to even have one. Auras are pretty much Ki leaking off one's body, those who don't display auras at full power are probably too weak to even have one. You can see that most characters who were drawn without auras in Z were drawn like this because they were either suppressed or weakened.

It's said by Vegeta that Spopovich held back massively on Videl though. Later on when he flies and displays a flight aura, Videl doesn't.

Gotenks did not exist at that point and they still had the ROSAT. Goku even said for them not to use the ROSAT to learn fusion becauese they may need it in the future, which they did.

Goku still had knowledge on fusion and could make estimatives based on the boys' power, though.

With future Goku most likely meant in case another threat showed up. The way he words it ("They can only use it twice in their lifetimes, right?" and "They might need it later down the road") strongly implies this.

Because he isn't fodder. He can definitely fight Buu at least as well as majin Vegeta can. Piccolo didn't know who would win if they fought at that time.

If he can do as well as Majin Vegeta, then he is fodder. Majin Vegeta was completely helpless against Boo.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku SSJG (BoG arc, manga) vs Vegetto SSJ (battle against Boohan)

--> Manga version of both characters. If Goku wins, make it a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto.

Goku stomps for sure. He said SSJ God was like a whole new world opened for him.

I dunno if he can defeat SSJ3 Vegetto though. Vegetto never had to went this far, so Goku possibly doesn't know how strong he is. I go with Vegetto >>> SSJ3 Vegetto because it makes more sense from a narrative point of view. It's not only a new arc, it's a new series altogether. SSJ3 Vegetto still being stronger than most people in Super (As SSJB was shown to not be much stronger than God) is going backwards.

[dragon boss z]

Actually, contrary to what i implied before, he doesn't even need to now who Roshi is. He just has to pick up his Kili meter and take a quick check at it, like Nappa did when he and Vegeta arrived on Earth:
Chapter: 213 (DBZ 19), P8.1
Nappa: “Hey, Vegeta!! Something's strange...! There's more than just one or two readings with a battle power of over 1,000! What's with this planet?..."
Vegeta: “Don't worry. They're no match for us, after all. For the time being, let's just search for the guy with the highest battle power...”

The kili machine could clearly only measure one power level at a time while the scouter could measure multiple at a time and seemed far more high tech. You can't really compare the two.

Maybe for the BoZ characters, but by the Saiyan Arc suppressed Goku at 5k was the weakest character to have a flight aura, whereas Toriyama never bothered to give Kuririn and Gohan flight auras until after Guru unlocked their dormant powers on Namek. I think this implies you need to reach a certain plateau to even have one. Auras are pretty much Ki leaking off one's body, those who don't display auras at full power are probably too weak to even have one. You can see that most characters who were drawn without auras in Z were drawn like this because they were either suppressed or weakened.

That would imply Spopovich and Yamu are above even Raditz and Nappa, which definitely isn't the case. Flight aura is no indication on power, just like sparks don't. If there isn't a direct statement, then we have to go by feats. If I gave them the benefit of the doubt I would say they could beat all the tournament fighters from dragon ball besides the elite ones like Roshi, Goku, Tien, Piccolo, ect. If I was REALLY generous, maybe they could beat everyone up to King Piccolo. But Raditz? No way.

It's said by Vegeta that Spopovich held back massively on Videl though. Later on when he flies and displays a flight aura, Videl doesn't.

I agree he held back on Videl, but she was still weaker than beginning of series kid Goku and could be killed by a pistol, so that isn't saying much.

Goku still had knowledge on fusion and could make estimatives based on the boys' power, though.
With future Goku most likely meant in case another threat showed up. The way he words it ("They can only use it twice in their lifetimes, right?" and "They might need it later down the road") strongly implies this.

It's just too much assuming. Ssj Gotenks is Buu tier, as Goku predicted, but that's about all that as shown.

If he can do as well as Majin Vegeta, then he is fodder. Majin Vegeta was completely helpless against Boo.

Dabura, Gohan, and Shin were fodder to Buu. Vegeta actually fought back relatively well. If it wasn't for Buu's crazy and pretty much unlimited stamina Vegeta could have had a better chance. Buu was definitely a tier above Vegeta, but I wouldn't call him fodder like the others, he just could't beat Buu.

[Polyphase Avatron]

All of the Ribrianne filler in the anime ToP vs. the bad powerscaling in the manga ToP

[Berserker1921]

-New battles-

1. Majin SP Cell vs Ssj2 Gohan (Cell)?

2. Buu (absorbed Vegito, Gohan, Gotenks. No time limit) vs SSj God Goku (buu saga)?

3. Hit vs Kalifa (base)?

4. G. Frieza, SsjR Trunks, Hit, and GoD Toppo vs Beerus and Champa? (No Hakai)

5. 17 (ToP) vs Beerus (BoG)?

[RecolorSaiyan]

-New battles-

1. Majin SP Cell vs Ssj2 Gohan (Cell)?

2. Buu (absorbed Vegito, Gohan, Gotenks. No time limit) vs SSj God Goku (buu saga)?

3. Hit vs Kalifa (base)?

4. G. Frieza, SsjR Trunks, Hit, and GoD Toppo vs Beerus and Champa? (No Hakai)

5. 17 (ToP) vs Beerus (BoG)?

1. Majin SP Cell
2. SSG Goku
3. Hit
4. Beerus and Champa
5. 17 is stronger than the suppressed beerus from BoG so if you mean Beerus uses that exact amount of power then 17 stomps

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Nobody answered my question.

[CJStriker_CBR]

All of the Ribrianne filler in the anime ToP vs. the bad powerscaling in the manga ToP

So I Say that Ribrianne as My Choose that, that Means I am voting she was better then the other vs Opinion, I just want to be clear on that.

Also, Ribrianne was the Best Part of the ToP, their was No such thing a Filler for her in some of our eyes.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[CJStriker_CBR]

Jaco vs Muten Roshi (No Super Manga included)

Nobody answered my question.

Sure, I will try to give an answer Dragon Ball Gus;

Muten Roshi!

The main reason I say him is the level of martial arts skill and wisdom he showed in fighting FAR Superior in strength and power foes that he faced was impressive with how he was able to one-up them in many ways this being him in the ToP anime arc.

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Jaco vs Muten Roshi (No Super Manga included)

Nobody answered my question.

Sure, I will try to give an answer Dragon Ball Gus;

Muten Roshi!

The main reason I say him is the level of martial arts skill and wisdom he showed in fighting FAR Superior in straighten and power foes that he faced was impressive with how he was able to one-up them in many ways this behim in the ToP anime arc.

Thanks a whole lot, CJStriker!

[Noah]

Who's the strongest character 20x Kaioken Piccolo (Boo arc) could beat?

[PFM18]

Who's the strongest character 20x Kaioken Piccolo (Boo arc) could beat?

SSJ3 Buu arc Goku. the way I see it SSJ3 Goku is around 15x stronger than Piccolo so I think that Piccolo could win easily if he had a Kaiokenx20.

[dragon boss z]

-New battles-
1. Majin SP Cell vs Ssj2 Gohan (Cell)?
2. Buu (absorbed Vegito, Gohan, Gotenks. No time limit) vs SSj God Goku (buu saga)?
3. Hit vs Kalifa (base)?
4. G. Frieza, SsjR Trunks, Hit, and GoD Toppo vs Beerus and Champa? (No Hakai)
5. 17 (ToP) vs Beerus (BoG)?

1. Cell since he would at least rival Gohan in power, but have more techniques and skill.
2. Probably Buu considering how hard he is to kill.
3. Hit
4. Beerus could probably solo.
5. Beerus

Jaco vs Muten Roshi (No Super Manga included)

Roshi still wins if you count the super anime or RoF movie.

Who's the strongest character 20x Kaioken Piccolo (Boo arc) could beat?

He would be able to beat ssj2 Goku and majin Vegeta, possibly fat Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

Jaco vs Muten Roshi (No Super Manga included)

Jaco seems to be really weak. He still relies on external weaponry and it's explicitly stated that members of the patrol can only kill Saiyan babies. He also doesn't have the feats that Roshi has, and even taking into account their powered-up ROF selves, Roshi seems to deal with the goons better than Jaco does. He should take this pretty easily.

-New battles-

1. Majin SP Cell vs Ssj2 Gohan (Cell)?

2. Buu (absorbed Vegito, Gohan, Gotenks. No time limit) vs SSj God Goku (buu saga)?

3. Hit vs Kalifa (base)?

4. G. Frieza, SsjR Trunks, Hit, and GoD Toppo vs Beerus and Champa? (No Hakai)

5. 17 (ToP) vs Beerus (BoG)?

1. Babidi's power-up is explicitly stated to draw one's dormant power to beyond its limits, so the boost wouldn't be proportional. There's no real way to predict where Cell would end up. However, because he seemed to be pretty close to Gohan as-is, I think even a relatively modest boost in the vein of the one Vegeta received would let him trump Gohan.
2. I don't think SSG Goku is that strong. Base Vegetto is blatantly shown to be stronger than him in the Super manga. Buu flattens him.
3. Hit destroys her. He could at least slightly bother Jiren, who is faaaaaar stronger than Kefla's highest transformations.
4. Golden Freeza was thrashed by fighters several tiers below the GoDs, Trunks and Hit are in the same boat. I presume Toppo wouldn't be too far off, but still decisively weaker, and the rest don't really matter. The cats win.
5. I'll assume you mean the level he was holding himself back to during BoG. In which case, I go by the Super manga which shows Android 17 to be about on par with SS3 Goku, rather than the anime where he's on par with whoever the episode wants him to be on par with. That said, Beerus flicks him into unconscious.

Who's the strongest character 20x Kaioken Piccolo (Boo arc) could beat?

Piccolo is far weaker than Shin who's far weaker than SS1 Gohan who's far weaker than SS1 Goku. I think the highest level you could possibly argue for Piccolo is around half of SS1 Goku's strength. Considering official multipliers, if Piccolo is a 1 and SS Goku a 2, then KKx20 Piccolo would be a 20 and SS3 Goku a 16. Pure Buu would be at that level and Fat Buu a bit behind it. So, if you were generous (I personally think he's below half), he'd end up stronger than those guys. However, it wouldn't be by enough to actually win, especially against the Buus, considering the one time we saw Kaio-Ken x20 used, it gassed out its user after two punches and a (non-amplified) ki blast. So, considering that, I think the strongest character he could actually beat would be SS2 Goku/Vegeta.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The kili machine could clearly only measure one power level at a time while the scouter could measure multiple at a time and seemed far more high tech. You can't really compare the two.

Not what i had i mind exactly. The Kili Meter indeed can only pick up one Ki signature, but it would pick the strongest one, as it did when Babidi used it to measure SSJ Goku's power.

Not to mention they can sense energy based on what they did when the Z Fighters were hidden behind the mountain. There's no reason to assume they don't know how strong Roshi is when they certainly have the means to do so. They don't even have to know who Roshi is.

That would imply Spopovich and Yamu are above even Raditz and Nappa, which definitely isn't the case. Flight aura is no indication on power, just like sparks don't. If there isn't a direct statement, then we have to go by feats. If I gave them the benefit of the doubt I would say they could beat all the tournament fighters from dragon ball besides the elite ones like Roshi, Goku, Tien, Piccolo, ect. If I was REALLY generous, maybe they could beat everyone up to King Piccolo. But Raditz? No way.

I agree he held back on Videl, but she was still weaker than beginning of series kid Goku and could be killed by a pistol, so that isn't saying much.

Not stronger than Nappa, but certainly stronger than Raditz. Stuff like Babidi sending them to collect energy to the Budokai supports them being quite strong for Pre Z standards. As for him being > Radiz, don't see anything that even contradicts it. It's not like we ever saw Spopovich fighting at full power.

It's just too much assuming. Ssj Gotenks is Buu tier, as Goku predicted, but that's about all that as shown.

Gotenks and Boo are definitely on the same tier, but Gotenks would be on the top of the tier, whereas Boo would be on the bottom. Gotenks must have a considerable advantage if he can supposedly overcome Boo's regeneration while having no significant fighting skill or techniques. I think it goes like this:
Majin Boo: 84
SSJ3 Goku: 90
SSJ Gotenks: 125

Dabura, Gohan, and Shin were fodder to Buu. Vegeta actually fought back relatively well. If it wasn't for Buu's crazy and pretty much unlimited stamina Vegeta could have had a better chance. Buu was definitely a tier above Vegeta, but I wouldn't call him fodder like the others, he just could't beat Buu.

And Vegeta knew he would have to die to kill Boo based on him taking down those 3. Goku told Chi-Chi Goten wouldn't die if he masters fusion. That's 1 point for Gotenks here.

He didn't. He really didn't. Boo didn't even bother to defend himself from Vegeta, and when Vegeta actually hurt him with that blast Boo went batshit and pretty much crippled Vegeta by powering up.

Who's the strongest character 20x Kaioken Piccolo (Boo arc) could beat?

Probably Cell Games SSJ Goku. Don't see Piccolo as anything special by this point tbh, he's featless.

Nobody answered my question.

That's so sad Alexa play Despacito

I say Roshi wins. Jaco seemed to be mostly relying on tricks to defeat the soldiers. Roshi is stronger and more experienced in battles than Jaco.

-New battles-

1. Majin SP Cell vs Ssj2 Gohan (Cell)?

2. Buu (absorbed Vegito, Gohan, Gotenks. No time limit) vs SSj God Goku (buu saga)?

3. Hit vs Kalifa (base)?

4. G. Frieza, SsjR Trunks, Hit, and GoD Toppo vs Beerus and Champa? (No Hakai)

5. 17 (ToP) vs Beerus (BoG)?

1. Cell was already almost as strong as Gohan, giving him a Majin power up definitely gives him the win.

2. Goku one shots. I think SSJG Ritual merely buffs you up to God Tier, instead of being a fix multiplier.

3. By Kalifa do you mean Caulifla? If yes, Hit one shots. Otherwise i don't know who you're even talking about.

4. Champa solos.

5. 17 was shown to be on pair with SSJ3 Goku, so Beerus stomps.

[RecolorSaiyan]

1. Base Kale (manga) vs SSJ Vegetto ( Buu saga)
2. SS Rose Black vs Base Kefla
3. Base Toppo and SLSM Dyspo vs Golden Freeza and A17