The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:57 pm

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Puaru wrote:ToP Gohan vs Toppo.
Vados said Kefla was possibly the strongest fighter there after sensing Toppo and Vegeta go at each other for a long time resulting in both of them becoming severely wounded. Gohan knocked out Kefla after a long battle. Barring Toppo having any tricks, I think Gohan wins. Toppo does appear to power up in the latest chapter, which may change things, but it can't be too big of a no-strings-attached change or else Toppo just becomes an idiot for letting himself get hurt this badly already.
But Krillin did say that CSSB Goku>Gohan.

The manga forces you to choose between two explicit statements....
Only one of them can sense god ki. Easy choice.

Also, neither are actually explicit statements, both rely on extrapolation and implication.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ricky84 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:07 am

Anime only

Base Freeza (ToP) vs SSJ1 Goku & SSJ1 Vegeta (Both Champa arc)
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Kid Buu
2nd Omen Goku vs GoD Toppo
SSJ1 Vegito (Early Android arc) vs Buuhan
Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs Hit (Champa arc)
1st Omen Goku vs SSJ2 Kefla
KKx20 Piccolo (Buu arc) vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Roshi (ToP) vs Tien & Yamcha (both ToP)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RecolorSaiyan » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:37 am

ricky84 wrote:Anime only

Base Freeza (ToP) vs SSJ1 Goku & SSJ1 Vegeta (Both Champa arc)
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Kid Buu
2nd Omen Goku vs GoD Toppo
SSJ1 Vegito (Early Android arc) vs Buuhan
Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs Hit (Champa arc)
1st Omen Goku vs SSJ2 Kefla
KKx20 Piccolo (Buu arc) vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Roshi (ToP) vs Tien & Yamcha (both ToP)
1. Saiyans wreck
2. Kid Buu cause I think ssj3 gohan = ssj3 goku (assuming you mean post z sword training) and if goku couldn't beat him, gohan wouldn't at same PL
3. 2nd Omen Goku
4. Buuhan
5. ssj2 kefla
6. Piccolo
7. Roshi

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:46 am

ricky84 wrote:Anime only

Base Freeza (ToP) vs SSJ1 Goku & SSJ1 Vegeta (Both Champa arc)
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Kid Buu
2nd Omen Goku vs GoD Toppo
SSJ1 Vegito (Early Android arc) vs Buuhan
Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs Hit (Champa arc)
1st Omen Goku vs SSJ2 Kefla
KKx20 Piccolo (Buu arc) vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Roshi (ToP) vs Tien & Yamcha (both ToP)
- Base Freeza humiliated Ssj Gohan back in RoF. I'm pretty confident his ToP self would beat two Ssj's.
- Ssj2 Goku > Ssj2 Teen Gohan; Ssj3 Goku = Kid Buu. Therefore, Ssj3 Gohan < Kid Buu. :)
- I don't think Goku can beat him.
- Pass.
- Unlike 17, Ultimate Gohan didn't seem Blue tier to me. Hit wins.
- Kefla. Goku wouldn't last enough.
- Pass.
- Normally, one of them would be more than enough to beat Roshi. But this is Super, so the old master wins.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:32 pm

RecolorSaiyan wrote:1. Base Kale (manga) vs SSJ Vegetto ( Buu saga)
2. SS Rose Black vs Base Kefla
3. Base Toppo and SLSM Dyspo vs Golden Freeza and A17
1. I think Kale wins. She was even stronger than SSJ Caulifla, according to Freeza.

2. Black stomps. SSJ Kefla was still weaker than PSSJB Goku, and i don't see the PSSJB multiplier over regular SSJB being bigger than the huge SSJ1 multiplier.

3. Pass.
Ssjcell wrote:Ssj Gohan cell games vs cell junior
Gohan can probably take on all 7 Cell Jrs at once.

Puaru wrote:ToP Gohan vs Toppo.
Probably Gohan. He was on pair with Kefla, who implied she was unable to beat any U7 Saiyan.
ricky84 wrote:KKx20 Piccolo (Buu arc) vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Piccolo would get stomped by SSJ Goku, let alone SSJ3 Goku.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:57 pm

New match: (both at full power)

- GoD Toppo vs. Merged Zamasu
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ricky84 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:42 pm

Noah wrote:New match: (both at full power)

- GoD Toppo vs. Merged Zamasu
Toppo stomps and Hakais him out of existence.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ssjcell » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:44 am

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:
RecolorSaiyan wrote:1. Base Kale (manga) vs SSJ Vegetto ( Buu saga)
2. SS Rose Black vs Base Kefla
3. Base Toppo and SLSM Dyspo vs Golden Freeza and A17
1. I think Kale wins. She was even stronger than SSJ Caulifla, according to Freeza.

2. Black stomps. SSJ Kefla was still weaker than PSSJB Goku, and i don't see the PSSJB multiplier over regular SSJB being bigger than the huge SSJ1 multiplier.

3. Pass.
Ssjcell wrote:Ssj Gohan cell games vs cell junior
Gohan can probably take on all 7 Cell Jrs at once.

Puaru wrote:ToP Gohan vs Toppo.
Probably Gohan. He was on pair with Kefla, who implied she was unable to beat any U7 Saiyan.
ricky84 wrote:KKx20 Piccolo (Buu arc) vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Piccolo would get stomped by SSJ Goku, let alone SSJ3 Goku.
I think Gohan would be in a world of hurt if all the cell juniors ganged up on him

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Green » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:13 am

Noah wrote:New match: (both at full power)

- GoD Toppo vs. Merged Zamasu
This is interesting. We know that:

- Toppo's energy is identical to an Hakaishin's and he's referred to as a God
- Vegeta is stronger than him but needs his Final Explosion to get the job done
- Jiren, at full power, is considerably stronger than said Vegeta
- Ultra Istinct Omen Goku, whom is said to have possibly surpassed Beerus, fairs pretty well against Jiren. I think they are really close but the latter has a slight edge

So:

Jiren >= UIO Goku >=< Beerus > SSBE Vegeta > Toppo

In the manga, Blue Vegetto is on Beerus' level, maybe even stronger (making him similar to anime UIO Goku) and Anime MZ is around that. In the anime though, Jiren is explicitly stated to have a bigger ki than Merged Zamasu.

If we go by what Toyotaro said, Zamasu overpowers him pretty badly here and kills him. Otherwise, Toppo may very well be stronger but he still can't kill him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:08 am

Noah wrote:New match: (both at full power)

- GoD Toppo vs. Merged Zamasu
Shin said that a highly suppressed Jiren was the strongest foe U7 has ever fought.
Toppo is definetely stronger than that version of the Grey. Thus, Merged Zamasu ends up like Golden Freeza.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:19 am

Base Goku vs. Base Vegeta in a 12 Round Boxing Match. Following all the rules of the sport.

Does one get knocked out? Stopped? Do they go to points?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Frieza » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:55 pm

Ok in honour of the new Halloween movie coming out next month heres a special little vs.

Goku and have all their power removed. No ki, no super strength, no flying , no sensing, no transformations. They have normal human strength and all their combat skill, nothing more. They are then all teleported away and individual placed in locations in another reality. But their not alone...

Goku vs The Shape (Michael Myers) - The Old Myers Place
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Vegeta vs Jason Voorhees - Camp Crystal Lake
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Gohan vs Freddy Krueger - The Dream Realm
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Krillin vs Leatherface - The Sawer Farm
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Future Trunks vs The Maniac Cop (Matt Cordell) - New York City
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Piccolo vs Pumpkinhead - Razorback Hollow
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Tien vs The Miner (Harry Warden) - The Hanninger Mine
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Chiaotzu vs Chucky - Good Guy Factory
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Yamcha vs Ghostface - Woodsboro High School
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Edit: Since some of these guys are borderline immortal, the heroes win by just defeating them i.e. beaten so badly they wont be back till their next film.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:31 pm

10 new fights:

1) Caulifla and Kale (base; after ToP) vs Piccolo (ToP)
2) Gohan (ToP, base) vs Future Trunks (ep.67, base)
3) Metal Cooler vs Super Android 13
4) Ssj4 Vegeta vs Super 17
5) Nail vs Oozaru Nappa
6) Aniraza vs SsjB Copy Vegeta and SsjB Goku (pre Future Trunks arc)
7) Piccolo, Gohan, Tienshinhan, Yamcha and Krillin (all Androids arc; basically those who showed up to fight 19 and 20) vs Mecha Freeza and King Cold
8) Garlic Jr (transformed; anime) and his pawns vs Goku and Gohan (base; just before entering the RoSaT)
9) Toppo vs Trio De Danger (ToP, he can't become an Hakaishin)
10) Krillin (BoG saga) vs Ginyu Force (Ginyu can't swap bodies) and Armor Squadron at the same time

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ricky84 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:49 pm

Green wrote:
Noah wrote:New match: (both at full power)

- GoD Toppo vs. Merged Zamasu
This is interesting. We know that:

- Toppo's energy is identical to an Hakaishin's and he's referred to as a God
- Vegeta is stronger than him but needs his Final Explosion to get the job done
- Jiren, at full power, is considerably stronger than said Vegeta
- Ultra Istinct Omen Goku, whom is said to have possibly surpassed Beerus, fairs pretty well against Jiren. I think they are really close but the latter has a slight edge

So:

Jiren >= UIO Goku >=< Beerus > SSBE Vegeta > Toppo

In the manga, Blue Vegetto is on Beerus' level, maybe even stronger (making him similar to anime UIO Goku) and Anime MZ is around that. In the anime though, Jiren is explicitly stated to have a bigger ki than Merged Zamasu.

If we go by what Toyotaro said, Zamasu overpowers him pretty badly here and kills him. Otherwise, Toppo may very well be stronger but he still can't kill him.
You are forgetting the fact that everyone in the manga is weaker than their anime counterparts (except Roshi). This is because SSB itself is much weaker in the manga than it is in the anime (lower multiplier), which makes all the heavy hitters in the manga weaker by scaling. So SSB Vegito being >= Beerus in the manga doesn't really say much.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ricky84 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:57 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:10 new fights:

1) Caulifla and Kale (base; after ToP) vs Piccolo (ToP)
2) Gohan (ToP, base) vs Future Trunks (ep.67, base)
3) Metal Cooler vs Super Android 13
4) Ssj4 Vegeta vs Super 17
5) Nail vs Oozaru Nappa
6) Aniraza vs SsjB Copy Vegeta and SsjB Goku (pre Future Trunks arc)
7) Piccolo, Gohan, Tienshinhan, Yamcha and Krillin (all Androids arc; basically those who showed up to fight 19 and 20) vs Mecha Freeza and King Cold
8) Garlic Jr (transformed; anime) and his pawns vs Goku and Gohan (base; just before entering the RoSaT)
9) Toppo vs Trio De Danger (ToP, he can't become an Hakaishin)
10) Krillin (BoG saga) vs Ginyu Force (Ginyu can't swap bodies) and Armor Squadron at the same time
1. Either of the girls could solo stomp.
2. Future Trunks, mid-difficulty
3. Super 13 stomps
4. Vegeta, mid-difficulty
5. Nail, high difficulty
6. Aniraza one shots
7. Piccolo solos
8. Either Goku or Gohan could stomp
9. Toppo stomps
10. Krillin solos. He should be much stronger than Late Namek arc Base Goku at that point.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ricky84 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:12 pm

Buuhan (Vegito absorbed) vs Super Baby 2
Mastered Berzerk Kale vs SSJ2 Caulifla & SSJ2 Cabba
Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Gohan (Buu arc)
2nd Omen Goku vs SSBE Vegeta (pride-boost)
SSJ Rage Trunks (Post-Black arc, no Hope Sword) vs Hit (ToP)
Base Gotenks (Buu arc, Post-Rosat) vs Piccolo (BoG)
Hope Sword Trunks vs SSJ1 Kefla
SSJ4 Goku (Late Saiyan arc) vs Mecha Freeza
SSJ4 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu arc)
Base Vegito (Buu arc) vs Metal Rildo
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:10 pm

Bullza wrote:Base Goku vs. Base Vegeta in a 12 Round Boxing Match. Following all the rules of the sport.

Does one get knocked out? Stopped? Do they go to points?
Well, if flying and energy attacks are out (since then they'd leave the ring and not just be using their fists), then Goku would win because he has greater reach.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PFM18 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:08 pm

Bullza wrote:Base Goku vs. Base Vegeta in a 12 Round Boxing Match. Following all the rules of the sport.

Does one get knocked out? Stopped? Do they go to points?
This would be so far removed from conventional DB fights that it would be hilarious to watch.

I'd take Vegeta because I'm biased

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ricky84 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:30 pm

Hit vs Goku Black (equal stats)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:05 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Well, if flying and energy attacks are out (since then they'd leave the ring and not just be using their fists), then Goku would win because he has greater reach.
Yeah they wouldn't be allowed to do anything that real life boxers couldn't do. So I also though Goku would probably have an edge for that same reason.

Though they'd probably wanna slug it out non stop in which case it could end as a draw.

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