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Alruneia wrote:No need to bring up GT Goten when EoZ Goten exists.
Alruneia wrote:
Your screenshot is from GT and your video is from GT. Here, use this instead:
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Like I said before, no need to bring up GT Goten when EoZ Goten exists.
Why are you saying what people should bring up? It's their discussion. Like seriously.
Goten was grown up in GT. GT is a part of the Dragon Ball Franchise, and unlike in western-forums, Toei acknowledges it up to this day.
Your blind hate is annoying, like what, people should be afraid to discuss whatever they want to now?
In-universe: In the Jaco manga, Jaco tells Omori and Tights that Saiyans have a very long childhood followed by rapid growth. The manga came out after Battle of Gods so I wouldn't be surprised if that was intended to explain why Goten and Trunks are still small in that.
Out of universe: I think Toriyama might just be worried about making the characters too old, so he goes the opposite direction and makes them younger than they probably should be. Look at Bulma. She's still an adult obviously but she looks like she's in her 20s. Tights too.
BlueBasilisk wrote:Out of universe: I think Toriyama might just be worried about making the characters too old, so he goes the opposite direction and makes them younger than they probably should be. Look at Bulma. She's still an adult obviously but she looks like she's in her 20s. Tights too.
It's funny you mention that because I recall Toriyama stating in an interview one of his things he regretted the most about the original story was making the cast too old in the finale.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
BlueBasilisk wrote:Out of universe: I think Toriyama might just be worried about making the characters too old, so he goes the opposite direction and makes them younger than they probably should be. Look at Bulma. She's still an adult obviously but she looks like she's in her 20s. Tights too.
It's funny you mention that because I recall Toriyama stating in an interview one of his things he regretted the most about the original story was making the cast too old in the finale.
That's what I was thinking of but I couldn't find the interview where he said it.
BlueBasilisk wrote:Out of universe: I think Toriyama might just be worried about making the characters too old, so he goes the opposite direction and makes them younger than they probably should be. Look at Bulma. She's still an adult obviously but she looks like she's in her 20s. Tights too.
It's funny you mention that because I recall Toriyama stating in an interview one of his things he regretted the most about the original story was making the cast too old in the finale.
That's what I was thinking of but I couldn't find the interview where he said it.
Which creates an add thing he has in common with Frank Miller where both of them weren't afraid of writing protagonists in more advanced ages then go about de-aging them when they themselves have become older men. Roshi's continued inclusion in things way beyond his ballpark might as well be Toriyama wagging his cane in the air and telling us darn dirty kids that old people can do stuff too.
Might be me reaching there (probably, definitely am).
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:Roshi's continued inclusion in things way beyond his ballpark might as well be Toriyama wagging his cane in the air and telling us darn dirty kids that old people can do stuff too.
Might as well just give Goku grey hair and a beard and let him blow even bigger stuff up, would work about as well.
ekrolo2 wrote:Roshi's continued inclusion in things way beyond his ballpark might as well be Toriyama wagging his cane in the air and telling us darn dirty kids that old people can do stuff too.
Might as well just give Goku grey hair and a beard and let him blow even bigger stuff up, would work about as well.
Nah cause the hip young people gotta stay young but that doesn't mean the good ol' folks can't join the dance party!
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
DBS relied on iconic looks for the characters. The bulky Trunks grew his hair when it was only supposed to get spikier from being long in the Cell arc. Vegetto didn't change his attire due to Vegeta's being different prior to fusion when it mattered in the Boo arc. Goten and Trunks remained kids because there was no important event to justify their growth. Gohan was a pre-teen to signal his importance and change in personality in less than a year. If the narrative doesn't support it, then it might as well keep the characters as they are, otherwise skip a few years for their next design.
