"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[ankokudaishogun]

Goku:Xeno's timeline evidently covers the events of GT, though quite obviously with a number of difference(Goku didn't disappear at the end, for example)

The BoG events are referenced exclusively in a 3DS game, not canon to the main DBH continuity which is the Arcade.

[ArchedThunder]

The fact that they are making a new model for Goku is neat, even if it's only for cards that use the new artstyle.

I hope other characters get new models too.

They should start doing new models for other characters as well, these Budokai models are quite overused.

If they intend to slowly, but surely shift to the new artstyle completely I imagine this will happen to some extent, though old cards will probably still keep the old models.

[Rakurai]

Nah, it does contradict it. The whole UMX story is about the first time you meet the time patrol and the first time the time patrol meets the demon army/timebreakers
So it’s literally impossible for that to be because in the arcade game the first time you meet the timepatrol is HJ6 and the first time the time patrol meets the demon army is GDM1(not counting the special mira mission for JM8) also this is basically everyone’s first time meeting chamel the demon avatar but in the events of the arcade game they wouldn’t meet him until SDBH 3 while the stuff with the dark dragon balls is going on. So unless they wanted to retcon all of the god missions and part of SDBH, it just makes the most sense that it is it’s own continuity with the other 3ds games

But the user character is different for UMX and DBH are different, no? Although if Xeno Goku does meet Chamel in UMX but not recognize him in SDBH, then yeah that wouldn't make any sense. So SDBH Xeno Goku as far as we know doesn't know anything about god ki, has SSJ4, and has battled the Shadow Dragons in the past. That would be strongly indicative of hailing from the GT timeline, or at least a timeline where GT-specific events took place.

I've seen Goku: Xeno's Ssj card and it's the same as post Bog Ssj Goku's which means his Ssj form has God Essence

? Story-wise that doesn't mean anything. SDBH Xeno Goku seems to be unaware of the idea of god ki-infused Saiyan transformations.

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Also, I do like the new model used for Broly film Goku as well. But it may well just be a one-time promotion like most cards, and then they'll revert back to the same Budokai Goku model.

[Ssb_goku20]

Nah, it does contradict it. The whole UMX story is about the first time you meet the time patrol and the first time the time patrol meets the demon army/timebreakers
So it’s literally impossible for that to be because in the arcade game the first time you meet the timepatrol is HJ6 and the first time the time patrol meets the demon army is GDM1(not counting the special mira mission for JM8) also this is basically everyone’s first time meeting chamel the demon avatar but in the events of the arcade game they wouldn’t meet him until SDBH 3 while the stuff with the dark dragon balls is going on. So unless they wanted to retcon all of the god missions and part of SDBH, it just makes the most sense that it is it’s own continuity with the other 3ds games

But the user character is different for UMX and DBH are different, no? Although if Xeno Goku does meet Chamel in UMX but not recognize him in SDBH, then yeah that wouldn't make any sense. So SDBH Xeno Goku as far as we know doesn't know anything about god ki, has SSJ4, and has battled the Shadow Dragons in the past. That would be strongly indicative of hailing from the GT timeline, or at least a timeline where GT-specific events took place.

I've seen Goku: Xeno's Ssj card and it's the same as post Bog Ssj Goku's which means his Ssj form has God Essence

? Story-wise that doesn't mean anything. SDBH Xeno Goku seems to be unaware of the idea of god ki-infused Saiyan transformations.

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Also, I do like the new model used for Broly film Goku as well. But it may well just be a one-time promotion like most cards, and then they'll revert back to the same Budokai Goku model.

Him being unaware of Ssb doesn't mean he's unaware of Ssg as we know he has experience with God Ki since he's been around the Demon Gods and hasn't once questioned why their Ki's different. And how you know story wise that card doesn't mean anything? Using that logic then the Golden Great Ape Cumber card shouldn't mean he's in the Game

[Rakurai]

Him being unaware of Ssb doesn't mean he's unaware of Ssg as we know he has experience with God Ki since he's been around the Demon Gods and hasn't once questioned why their Ki's different. And how you know story wise that card doesn't mean anything? Using that logic then the Golden Great Ape Cumber card shouldn't mean he's in the Game

Card abilities affect gameplay but they are not meant to reflect story-wise content. Unless you believe main timeline Goku can use both Hakai and SSB-KK in the story since he got both cards recently.

I don't need to say this, nor do I need to make any presumptions like you, but an important detail such as Xeno Goku experiencing the ritual and absorbing SSG's power would have been referenced in by the writers if that was to be part of Xeno Goku's background, all the more so if he fought Blueku. Needless to say, it hasn't been yet and until indicated otherwise, it's just baseless speculation.

[mahakaishin1991]

here's a thought, and something I know is going to ruffle some feathers. Is it safe to assume, even with no indication of his existence, that Raditz: Xeno has existed in some form?

[ankokudaishogun]

here's a thought, and something I know is going to ruffle some feathers. Is it safe to assume, even with no indication of his existence, that Raditz: Xeno has existed in some form?

No.

While there have been a number of "altered" Raditz, no Xeno version of Raditz exists as of right now.

"Xeno" as in: directly involved with Time Patrol shenanigans and not just temporary influenced\taken from alternate\altered timelines.

[Dragotaker]

Remember when at the end of SDBH Trunks told Goku and co to come back to their timelines after Time Kaioshin used her time imprisoment powers and they told him not to worry because they would remain together until the deed was done?? Makes me think they will have to eventualy return and be done with the time patrol and honestly i don't want that, mostly because then Goten would lose the only time they ever did something with him and even for the future who knows if he sticks around, at least he should stay with Trunks and maybe get somebody else in the time patrol like Pan, Ubb or even someone like Bulla if they feel like making her a fighter idk, the time patrol as a tool to put the new generation on the spotlight witouth having to carry such burden on the main canon sounds really good to me.

[mahakaishin1991]

here's a thought, and something I know is going to ruffle some feathers. Is it safe to assume, even with no indication of his existence, that Raditz: Xeno has existed in some form?

No.

While there have been a number of "altered" Raditz, no Xeno version of Raditz exists as of right now.

"Xeno" as in: directly involved with Time Patrol shenanigans and not just temporary influenced\taken from alternate\altered timelines.

Ok but how does that explain the Xeno versions of Turles, Janemba etc? The movie villains dont originate in the main timeline and exist alongside Buu Xeno and Freeza Xeno so I get the impression the Xeno heroes (at the minimum) group have their own timeline of events specific for their branding with that name where some of their Xeno villains come from as well.

The Goku family exists in the Xeno group, even including Bardock, and from we can tell they aren't stated to be from different timelines from one another. It's probably that a Raditz exists/existed in Goku Xeno's life is what I'm saying right? We just havent seen him.

*waits for dragon ball wiki theorists to use the 'brother' material and say he was replaced by turles*

[FreddleFrooby]

Hell, has it been forever since I last logged into this site.

So, what do we know about the Demigra Assault arc's story? That arc interests me even more than the Prison Planet arc (and I love that arc too).

[mahakaishin1991]

Hell, has it been forever since I last logged into this site.

So, what do we know about the Demigra Assault arc's story? That arc interests me even more than the Prison Planet arc (and I love that arc too).

the arc cuts off where Mechikabura escapes the time maze and interrupts the final fight. Nothing has come up about spoilers continuing it

meanwhile, the prison planet is about to start a second phase arc that will carry it on longer

[ankokudaishogun]

Ok but how does that explain the Xeno versions of Turles, Janemba etc?

They are involved directly with the Time Patrol shenanigans because they were fused\possessed\whatever with the Dark Dragon Balls.
Their timeline of origin is apparently irrelevant.

Also, please somebody correct me, but weren't the timeline of the Xeno villains altered for good?
At very least Buu's since he basically vanish from the scene before being Genkidama'd

The Goku family exists in the Xeno group, even including Bardock, and from we can tell they aren't stated to be from different timelines from one another.

They aren't stated being from the same timeline, either.

It's probably that a Raditz exists/existed in Goku Xeno's life is what I'm saying right?

Yes, it's reasonable to believe most of Goku:Xeno's life u to the end of the Buu Saga has been similar enough to Goku:Super's and Goku:GT's, which would include Raditz.

[mahakaishin1991]

Ok but how does that explain the Xeno versions of Turles, Janemba etc?

They are involved directly with the Time Patrol shenanigans because they were fused\possessed\whatever with the Dark Dragon Balls.
Their timeline of origin is apparently irrelevant.

Also, please somebody correct me, but weren't the timeline of the Xeno villains altered for good?
At very least Buu's since he basically vanish from the scene before being Genkidama'd

The Goku family exists in the Xeno group, even including Bardock, and from we can tell they aren't stated to be from different timelines from one another.

They aren't stated being from the same timeline, either.

It's probably that a Raditz exists/existed in Goku Xeno's life is what I'm saying right?

Yes, it's reasonable to believe most of Goku:Xeno's life u to the end of the Buu Saga has been similar enough to Goku:Super's and Goku:GT's, which would include Raditz.

I see. I was of the impression that everyone from Xeno Gokus timeline would qualify as a Xeno character.

[alakazam^]

I see. I was of the impression that everyone from Xeno Gokus timeline would qualify as a Xeno character.

They are called Xeno because they're from different timelines.

[Grimlock]

I don't know if every character falls under the "they are from another dimension" category right away. The "main continuity" is a dimension itself and must be taken into consideration too. Xeno Freeza, Xeno Cell, Xeno Buu and Xeno Dabura can be from the "main dimension" just fine as far as I (we?) can tell.

Only Xeno Bardock and Xeno Goku were outright stated to be from another dimension.

We know movie characters are from another dimension by default, so even if they were not possessed by the Dark Dragon Balls, "they are already Xeno" (lack of a better term). They were caught by the Dark Dragon Balls, but they're still the ones from the movies themselves until something suggests or implies that they come from another one.

[mahakaishin1991]

I see. I was of the impression that everyone from Xeno Gokus timeline would qualify as a Xeno character.

They are called Xeno because they're from different timelines.

I think you missed my point

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

Hey guys I think there is some potential with The Big Gete Star thingy.

For create what if and whatnot.

[mahakaishin1991]

Hey guys I think there is some potential with The Big Gete Star thingy.

For create what if and whatnot.

Now that you mention it, it could well turn up in the prison planet arc and try to eat/merge with the other planets?

[Rakurai]

The Xeno classification seems a little bit arbitrary to me but...

I think it's mainly to identify the characters who are associated with the events of the Demon Realm & Dark Dragon Balls and onwards.

For the heroes, if they're summoned by the Kaioshin of Time, they're automatically Xeno.

For the villains, if they've been tampered by the Dark DBs or associated with the Demon Realm, they're also Xeno.

Now the more interesting question is, did the Xeno gang come from the same dimension/timeline, or have they met each other at some point in time before Chronoa recruited them? I think so, with the exception of Xeno Trunks who is based after F. Trunks so he definitely cannot have met Goten at least until he went Xeno.

[Gt91]

Hey guys, can you please tell me when we'll get new infos about SBH manga, new characters,missions ecc?