Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Miracles]

Yeah but from an In-Universe standpoint it would make no sense for KK Blue or SSBE to not appear so they need to be present.

That's assuming Toriyama is following TOEI's version of his outline. So far, that isn't the case.

Well I mean it's already known that Toyotaro will cover the Broly story in his manga so isn't it the natural conclusion that the movie will over the anime continuity? It wouldn't make sense for the manga to have the movie and an additional couple chapters to cover it as well.

Most likely, if TOEI comes back they will do their own version of the movie too.

[IM21]

If you unironically think db avatars on twitter, kanzenshuu , and reddit make up most of the DB fanbase, I don't know what to say to you.

These groups I mentioned above were crying about broly being announced as if slavery was reinstated and you would think he's not popular at all when in reality , he was always one of the most popular characters in the entire franchise, hence 3 movies, 4d experience, in every single video game, fanmanga, toy sales, etc.

Get out of the hivemind, most fans of dragonball don't spend their time talking about it on the internet outside of the hardcore ones

This is true. I wouldn't say even 5% are on internet. I have at least 15 friends that are into Dragon ball and perhaps just 1 or 2 of those are on a forum or ever comment a video on youtube. Some guys just don't feel the need to watch a video about an anime or talk to others on forums. I also used to watch a lot of DB videos, but lately the youtubers are just meh, so I have no need for their ''breaking news video'' if i can get the info anywhere else.

[BlueBasilisk]

And the real peak of power in DB is Toribot, not Zeno.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Toribot's just hiding his true power level.

That's assuming Toriyama is following TOEI's version of his outline. So far, that isn't the case.

Well I mean it's already known that Toyotaro will cover the Broly story in his manga so isn't it the natural conclusion that the movie will over the anime continuity? It wouldn't make sense for the manga to have the movie and an additional couple chapters to cover it as well.

Most likely, if TOEI comes back they will do their own version of the movie too.

I wouldn't be surprised if the movie is being written in its own continuity that doesn't line up with either the anime or the manga with the expectation that Toei and Toyotaro will re-adapt it individually with their usual embellishments added in. If they do start a new tv anime I'm sure it'll start with a Broly arc for the same reason Super started with the RoF and BoG retellings.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

this could also explain why he trained to get SSG.

He already had SSG long before the ToP. He got it after BoG through training with Whis for 6 months. You need SSG in order to use SSB in the first place (which is why it was originally called SSGSS.)

He got the power of SSG not necessarily the form itself, the same way he surpassed Goku in SS2 despite not going into SS3 form itself.

And it is still called SSGSS, SSB is just a nickname.

First off. Those numbers are HUGE lowballs. How could only 1k db fans on twitter make DB trend worldwide multiple times? The youtube count is fair but thats assuming every db youtuber has the same fans and therefore, same commenters, as any other db youtuber which is false. Same with all the forums you listed. Why would every forum that discusses dragon ball have the exact same people making up each forum? Am i just understanding you wrong?

Second off, thats another thing. Watching a series or reading a series doesn’t really make you part of its community or fandom. But then again, that may be subjective. But again, i disagree and would say that the majority of a fandom are vocal about the series the love online because thats just how most humans are.

The Twitter trending is very circumstantial. Most of the people who spread the hashtag are riding on some hype train, not discussing the series. Most of the hashtags on Twitter that I see for DB are for fan art or merchandise. And DB fan art tweets compared to other more popular fan art like for Fate get significantly less likes/retweets by far - ~1-1k likes vs 1k~10k likes based on personal feed.

The last Twitter trending worldwide for DB was regarding some Japanese bloke who ran through all the DB volumes and said that they don't understand why ppl like it. A really pissed Japanese Twitter base garnered about ~65k hashtags. If I ever see the DBS manga being so bad that Japan or some part of the world makes DBS trend even a tenth of that, then I'll concede.

But anyways I'm quite certain that 65k ppl aren't discussing DB when something new comes out about it. That's my point, most ppl don't bother dealing with social media and having discussions like this. Most fans are casual, and that's what matters most to the publishing company - appealing to the mass consumer.

Wow, you are right, just went through my twitter timeline I barely have actually talked about the series itself! (No guesses for what I mostly tweet about )

I do have a lot of thoughts on most things I watch but I just don't generally feel the need or want to discuss, it is time consuming. For Kanzenshuu I come here when I have time as opposed to making time to come on here if that makes sense. Don't think that should make me less of a fan.

[AnimeNation101]

First off. Those numbers are HUGE lowballs. How could only 1k db fans on twitter make DB trend worldwide multiple times? The youtube count is fair but thats assuming every db youtuber has the same fans and therefore, same commenters, as any other db youtuber which is false. Same with all the forums you listed. Why would every forum that discusses dragon ball have the exact same people making up each forum? Am i just understanding you wrong?

Second off, thats another thing. Watching a series or reading a series doesn’t really make you part of its community or fandom. But then again, that may be subjective. But again, i disagree and would say that the majority of a fandom are vocal about the series the love online because thats just how most humans are.

The Twitter trending is very circumstantial. Most of the people who spread the hashtag are riding on some hype train, not discussing the series. Most of the hashtags on Twitter that I see for DB are for fan art or merchandise. And DB fan art tweets compared to other more popular fan art like for Fate get significantly less likes/retweets by far - ~1-1k likes vs 1k~10k likes based on personal feed.

The last Twitter trending worldwide for DB was regarding some Japanese bloke who ran through all the DB volumes and said that they don't understand why ppl like it. A really pissed Japanese Twitter base garnered about ~65k hashtags. If I ever see the DBS manga being so bad that Japan or some part of the world makes DBS trend even a tenth of that, then I'll concede.

But anyways I'm quite certain that 65k ppl aren't discussing DB when something new comes out about it. That's my point, most ppl don't bother dealing with social media and having discussions like this. Most fans are casual, and that's what matters most to the publishing company - appealing to the mass consumer.

But how do you know most people are “riding some hype train” and aren’t actually just fans who, like i said, talk about the show they love on social media? I mean, its very possible that they could be but it seems like you’re just assuming its all non-fans who like to jump on hype trains with no evidence. Tbh, you haven’t really proven that the db community that are vocal online aren’t a huge portion of the fandom.

And when i say fandom, i mean people who care enough about the series to play the games or go see a movie of it. People who go looking to watch the show.

Idk man, i feel like y’all underestimate how much the population uses the internet and social media and how many people talk about it on social media, forums, comment sections of vids, etc.

[HeroR]

And the real peak of power in DB is Toribot, not Zeno.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Toribot's just hiding his true power level.

Well I mean it's already known that Toyotaro will cover the Broly story in his manga so isn't it the natural conclusion that the movie will over the anime continuity? It wouldn't make sense for the manga to have the movie and an additional couple chapters to cover it as well.

Most likely, if TOEI comes back they will do their own version of the movie too.

I wouldn't be surprised if the movie is being written in its own continuity that doesn't line up with either the anime or the manga with the expectation that Toei and Toyotaro will re-adapt it individually with their usual embellishments added in. If they do start a new tv anime I'm sure it'll start with a Broly arc for the same reason Super started with the RoF and BoG retellings.

Not sure why people find it hard to believe that anime stuff can be in the new movie when Toriyama is adapting Broly, a movie villain, that people stated for years would never be brought into Super since he wasn't a Toriyama character. So this isn't like Toriyama ignores everything that isn't his and he stated that the movie is a continuity of the anime. Not, Resurrection 'F' movie or something.

[Miracles]

And the real peak of power in DB is Toribot, not Zeno.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Toribot's just hiding his true power level.

Well I mean it's already known that Toyotaro will cover the Broly story in his manga so isn't it the natural conclusion that the movie will over the anime continuity? It wouldn't make sense for the manga to have the movie and an additional couple chapters to cover it as well.

Most likely, if TOEI comes back they will do their own version of the movie too.

I wouldn't be surprised if the movie is being written in its own continuity that doesn't line up with either the anime or the manga with the expectation that Toei and Toyotaro will re-adapt it individually with their usual embellishments added in. If they do start a new tv anime I'm sure it'll start with a Broly arc for the same reason Super started with the RoF and BoG retellings.

Exactly. The movies are Toriyama's scripts "as is." No story addition from outside writers etc like the manga and TV series.

Remember, in Toriyama's Dragonball Super, two Super Saiyan Blue's were enough to handle merged Zamas. Blue alone in Toriyama's eyes is very strong.

[majinwarman]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Toribot's just hiding his true power level.

Most likely, if TOEI comes back they will do their own version of the movie too.

I wouldn't be surprised if the movie is being written in its own continuity that doesn't line up with either the anime or the manga with the expectation that Toei and Toyotaro will re-adapt it individually with their usual embellishments added in. If they do start a new tv anime I'm sure it'll start with a Broly arc for the same reason Super started with the RoF and BoG retellings.

Exactly. The movies are Toriyama's scripts "as is." No story addition from outside writers etc like the manga and TV series.

Remember, in Toriyama's Dragonball Super, two Super Saiyan Blue's were enough to handle merged Zamas. Blue alone in Toriyama's eyes is very strong.

I guess, but I want to wait and see the new movie before I will be asking for a retelling when Super returns/new series begins.

[BlueBasilisk]

Not sure why people find it hard to believe that anime stuff can be in the new movie when Toriyama is adapting Broly, a movie villain, that people stated for years would never be brought into Super since he wasn't a Toriyama character. So this isn't like Toriyama ignores everything that isn't his and he stated that the movie is a continuity of the anime. Not, Resurrection 'F' movie or something.

I'm not saying he WILL do that, I just think it's possible that something like that might happen. Toriyama's flubbed and fudged his own continuity before like Shenron only granting two wishes in RoF.

[Kinokima]

It is a minority since we're not just talking about Japan, but worldwide.

I brought up that the series is sold in countries throughout the world. Again you keep saying it is a minority but not offering any numbers that show the series is not being read.

Most manga sells best in Japan. That doesn’t mean the series is selling poorly internationally. It might be selling better in Japan but it still seems to be doing well internationally. In fact I looked at Amazon sales and the manga is in the top 100. That’s only the US and doesn’t take into account all the countries around the world the DBS manga is sold in.

I know what you meant and that isn't a good comparison since DVDs in Japan don't sell well, period. Regardless if it's Dragon Ball or One Piece.

Yes actually there are anime DVDs/BR that do sell well in Japan that is why I was comparing the DBS anime sales against other anime series that did chart and my point is it didn’t chart against other anime.

A better argument against this point then the one you are making is that Long Shounen DVDs/BR don’t tend to sell as well and that I already brought up.

But my point is the manga is selling extremely well in Japan for a series in a V-Jump and seems to be doing quite well internationally too. Lots of people are reading and buying the manga.

[FortuneSSJ]

And the real peak of power in DB is Toribot, not Zeno.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Toribot's just hiding his true power level.

Or Toribot probably got retconned.

[AnimeNation101]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Toribot's just hiding his true power level.

Or Toribot probably got retconned.

We see Toribot the the zeni bills Hercule gives Goku in the first episode of DBS

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Toribot slacked off and was overtaken due to his lack of training by others, just like Gohan, all because he was a NERD

[Kepiaschkz]

I'm not saying he WILL do that, I just think it's possible that something like that might happen. Toriyama's flubbed and fudged his own continuity before like Shenron only granting two wishes in RoF .

It wasn't an error. Dragon Balls were used in BoG arc. This happened 6 months only before RoF. When you use a single whish, the balls reactivate themselves 4 months later instead of one full year but in return you can only use the two remaining wishes.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Toribot's just hiding his true power level.

Most likely, if TOEI comes back they will do their own version of the movie too.

I wouldn't be surprised if the movie is being written in its own continuity that doesn't line up with either the anime or the manga with the expectation that Toei and Toyotaro will re-adapt it individually with their usual embellishments added in. If they do start a new tv anime I'm sure it'll start with a Broly arc for the same reason Super started with the RoF and BoG retellings.

Exactly. The movies are Toriyama's scripts "as is." No story addition from outside writers etc like the manga and TV series.

Remember, in Toriyama's Dragonball Super, two Super Saiyan Blue's were enough to handle merged Zamas. Blue alone in Toriyama's eyes is very strong.

Toei/Shuiesha added several plot points of their own:

When was the scenario finished?
I think it was around May of last year. The scenario we received at first, Toriyama-sensei himself said, “I think it might be a bit short…?”… And so from there we added several plot points. And then it ended up being unexpectedly long. (laughs) Now, we’re at the point where Toei Animation is expertly pulling it all together. (laughs)

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... interview/

[Miracles]

Toribot's just hiding his true power level.


I wouldn't be surprised if the movie is being written in its own continuity that doesn't line up with either the anime or the manga with the expectation that Toei and Toyotaro will re-adapt it individually with their usual embellishments added in. If they do start a new tv anime I'm sure it'll start with a Broly arc for the same reason Super started with the RoF and BoG retellings.

Exactly. The movies are Toriyama's scripts "as is." No story addition from outside writers etc like the manga and TV series.

Remember, in Toriyama's Dragonball Super, two Super Saiyan Blue's were enough to handle merged Zamas. Blue alone in Toriyama's eyes is very strong.

Toei/Shuiesha added several plot points of their own:

When was the scenario finished?
I think it was around May of last year. The scenario we received at first, Toriyama-sensei himself said, “I think it might be a bit short…?”… And so from there we added several plot points. And then it ended up being unexpectedly long. (laughs) Now, we’re at the point where Toei Animation is expertly pulling it all together. (laughs)

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... interview/

Shuiesha added the plot points, it became too long, now TOEI has to pull the plot together. That means to make it all fit, not add.
Not too mention, the producer already said they are taking Toriyama's script "as is." Toriyama's script was even too long at one point, they had to cut it.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

We have a theme song! It's called "Blizzard" and it's by Daichi Miura. Here's a news post on the official film website that talks more about the track.

[vashter]

Are we having movie news in 28th of October ? in 4 days supposedly some kinda live feed going on about dragon ball hero with movie news including

[FortuneSSJ]

Never heard about Daichi Miura and I don't know what to expect from a song called "Blizzard". Hopefully it's good.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

MangaUK won't have a panel at MCM.... so no UK announcement this week then. This is great. Fantastic. Superb. I love Toei Europe man look at the massive European roll out they managed so far, Spain in Feb and (seemingly) Ukraine too. Well done.

But seriously South Africa managed to get away from their clutches and now under Toei USA, I would love love if UK could. Just look at Aus & Usa other two big English speaking countries the amount of marketing etc the movie is already getting, yet UK not a single f**king peep. We're in November alomost fgs, what are they godamn doing?

Even if by some miracle we get the film announced for Jan (I am still predicting we'll get it in Feb/March) doesn't negate the fact they missed on months of marketing.

November is especially crucial with the obvious spoilers that will come out... And it's like do I avoid spoilers for a film I don't know when I'll see, or do I just dabble in them?