"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[PFM18]

Toriyama basically said that Toyotaro will adapt the movie into an arc, also we know that he wrote a script that would go 180 minutes which was cut to 100 minutes for the film meaning there's possibly a lot of lore stuff that the manga and anime will delve into later

For realsies? Then this means it will be a continuation of this manga or it will be do it separately?

It was already basically stated that this would be the case. Toriyama said there would be a manga version of the events.

[HeroR]

I'm talking about the results of Vegito's fight in both versions. Once they revealed the weakness, it was already a forgone conclusion that he wasn't gonna get the job done. They could've just had it happen and then told us why.

I know what you meant, but I prefer it that way since everyone was predictable that Vegito would come and kicked Merged Zamasu's ass before that point. And it makes no sense for them to keep the one hour time limit a secret since Goku didn't even know why the fusion broke the first time outside of his theory of 'bad air'.

[Xeztin]

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Broly is a "demon Saiyan"

I don't think they mean a literal demon, like Akuma for instance. In that context Demon/monster usually just means a power so big it seems otherworldly.

Right, it seems Japan refers to anything abnormal or unexplainable power/existence as a demon, shinigami, or monster.

[ekrolo2]

Does Viz call it mastered or completed Ultra Instinct in the last chapter?

[Marlowe89]

Does Viz call it mastered or completed Ultra Instinct in the last chapter?

Technically neither. Whis calls the silver-haired version the "true Ultra Instinct", while the black-haired version is "only a sign" of Ultra Instinct.

I'd say that, conceptually, it's a little more akin to False Super Saiyan vs. Super Saiyan.

[ekrolo2]

Does Viz call it mastered or completed Ultra Instinct in the last chapter?

Technically neither. Whis calls the silver-haired version the "true Ultra Instinct", while the black-haired version is "only a sign" of Ultra Instinct.

I'd say that, conceptually, it's a little more akin to False Super Saiyan vs. Super Saiyan.

Thanks, I saw a scanlation of the 42nd chapter and I got real nervous when Whis' statement was translated as Mastered Ultra Instinct.

[zarmack]

Is it true that Toriyama decided the order of eliminations in his outline? Because if it is then that means Vegeta is getting eliminated next month.

However, Roshi managed to outlast A18 and Piccolo in the manga, so its debatable.

[TKA]

It was said in an interview with the anime staff that Toriyama decided on the order of eliminations, but the manga has not followed that order at all for any number of reasons.

[prince212]

It was said in an interview with the anime staff that Toriyama decided on the order of eliminations, but the manga has not followed that order at all for any number of reasons.

There’s still a chance for a difference finale in the tournament compared to the anime

[AnimeNation101]

Besides the obviously rushed pacing in the T.o.P arc, how good of pacing would you say the manga had for the:

Battle of Gods arc: ?

U6 vs U7 arc: ?

Future Trunks arc: ?

Was it too slow or too fast for each arc?

[AnimeNation101]

The usage is the same and it's too convenient to be called a coincidence. A Saiyan said to be called a demon, and a "demon" Saiyan. M8 Broly called himself a demon. They're demons in terms of power and personality.

They both could be nods to Broly’s line and not Toyo’s ‘Demon Saiyan’.

I never thought of it any other way. OG Broly is the prototype for Kale and DBS Broly, of course they're going to use his popular perception as a clutch for characterization. They're both "demons" so to speak, the result is the same.

I personally see it as many things. It connects Kale and Broly. It gives off a parallel of Broly and his form being a demonic form vs Goku and Vegeta with their forms being godly forms.

I find it funny how Cabba and his race knew nothing of SSJ and when they transformed into it, they didn’t recognize it but she they saw Kale go into her form of SSJ (the same as Broly’s from) they recognized it as the legendary “demonic saiyan”. There definitely seems to be something up with Broly and Kale’s form and a legend in U6 Sadala. Maybe instead of an SSJ or SSGod legend, they had a Demonic saiyan legend.

[Bergamo]

Besides the obviously rushed pacing in the T.o.P arc, how good of pacing would you say the manga had for the:

Battle of Gods arc: ?

U6 vs U7 arc: ?

Future Trunks arc: ?

Was it too slow or too fast for each arc?

You say the tournament of power is rushed, but the tournament will have at least 10 chapters, which is 10 months. The pre-tournament content was 6 chapters, which is 6 months. Do you want the arc to be ongoing long after Broly comes out and the anime returns to television?

[prince212]

Besides the obviously rushed pacing in the T.o.P arc, how good of pacing would you say the manga had for the:

Battle of Gods arc: ?

U6 vs U7 arc: ?

Future Trunks arc: ?

Was it too slow or too fast for each arc?

The only pacing I would like to be better is the 45 pages per month, 15 per week will be perfect.
The pacing of the story is good I.m.o , I can’t see the obviously rush in the current arc , the loud ringing bells in the fandom about that rush started when kale eliminated a bunch of people and I was ok with that , in fact I considered 3 chapters of caulifla-kale-kefla too much.

[TKA]

Besides the obviously rushed pacing in the T.o.P arc, how good of pacing would you say the manga had for the:

God, don't do that. Adding the word "obviously" before an opinion doesn't suddenly make it a fact.

I think the pacing has been great. I don't want to spend 20 chapters in this thing.

[Xeztin]

Besides the obviously rushed pacing in the T.o.P arc, how good of pacing would you say the manga had for the:

God, don't do that. Adding the word "obviously" before an opinion doesn't suddenly make it a fact.

I think the pacing has been great. I don't want to spend 20 chapters in this thing.

What you have to look at is that 95 percent of the contestants are fodder, you literally have a handfull that can hold their own even if they do it with sneaky abilities. Could you imagine if the manga followed the anime and it took 2 chapters to eliminate universe 3’s fusion behemoth? It would be fine if it was weekly, but if it was like that we’d be lucky to be 25 percent through the arc. You have a huge story to tell of multiple scenes, and a maxed page count tied to a monthly basis. That’d be fine for a manga ahead of the anime, but the arc would loose popularity if we were getting anime that was 2 or more arcs ahead. Imagine if the manga were in the Black arc still and anime in Brolys arc. The manga would probably tank.

[TKA]

What you have to look at is that 95 percent of the contestants are fodder

As they should be. I've explained this numerous times in greater detail, but the manga made no promises that any universe but 6, 7 and 11 would have any prominence. Any expectation you have going in of other universes "mattering" is strictly because of the anime.

[AnimeNation101]

Besides the obviously rushed pacing in the T.o.P arc, how good of pacing would you say the manga had for the:

Battle of Gods arc: ?

U6 vs U7 arc: ?

Future Trunks arc: ?

Was it too slow or too fast for each arc?

You say the tournament of power is rushed, but the tournament will have at least 10 chapters, which is 10 months. The pre-tournament content was 6 chapters, which is 6 months. Do you want the arc to be ongoing long after Broly comes out and the anime returns to television?

That diesnb’t excuse that speeding up the arc is making it rushed. Its a lose-lose situation. Either rush the arc or have it go one while the Broly movie has been out for a while. I’m pretty sure Shueisha is rushing Toyo so he can finish in time to adapt the Broly movie into the manga and i understand tbh.

Besides the obviously rushed pacing in the T.o.P arc, how good of pacing would you say the manga had for the:

God, don't do that. Adding the word "obviously" before an opinion doesn't suddenly make it a fact.

I think the pacing has been great. I don't want to spend 20 chapters in this thing.

You can enjoy it but that doesn’t mean its not being rushed. I guess its subjective but seriously. Kale took out 4 universes in ONE CHAPTER. Many of the U7 team members didn’t have their times to shine like in the anime. Even the other universe characters were fleshed out way better than the manga. Its becuase Toyo is being rushed as he has to finish quick enough to adapt the Broly movie.

Maybe we just have a different sense of good pacing.

[Marlowe89]

Where others saw "obviously rushed pacing", I saw an arc that knew what story it wanted to tell and uncompromisingly stuck to it.

The only story arc with bad pacing in the manga is Battle of Gods.

[PFM18]

What you have to look at is that 95 percent of the contestants are fodder

As they should be. I've explained this numerous times in greater detail, but the manga made no promises that any universe but 6, 7 and 11 would have any prominence. Any expectation you have going in of other universes "mattering" is strictly because of the anime.

Obviously 6,7 and 11 are the most important universes, that was true in both versions of the story. However, when you had 4 universes being erased in just 8 pages, it desensitized the reader of what should be an event with a lot of emotional weight. An entire universe and their inhabitants being erased should still be given more attention than that. By the time a universe's characters are even slightly introduced, they are on their way out. Also, all of these other characters being disposed of so quickly and easily deprives us of a perfect opportunity to see characters like the humans or Piccolo from being useful or getting some remotely meaningful action. Frankly, this breakneck pace comes at the cost of other elements in the story.

[Bergamo]

What you have to look at is that 95 percent of the contestants are fodder

As they should be. I've explained this numerous times in greater detail, but the manga made no promises that any universe but 6, 7 and 11 would have any prominence. Any expectation you have going in of other universes "mattering" is strictly because of the anime.

Obviously 6,7 and 11 are the most important universes, that was true in both versions of the story. However, when you had 4 universes being erased in just 8 pages, it desensitized the reader of what should be an event with a lot of emotional weight. An entire universe and their inhabitants being erased should still be given more attention than that. By the time a universe's characters are even slightly introduced, they are on their way out. Also, all of these other characters being disposed of so quickly and easily deprives us of a perfect opportunity to see characters like the humans or Piccolo from being useful or getting some remotely meaningful action. Frankly, this breakneck pace comes at the cost of other elements in the story.

Universe 6 wasn't important in the anime. They were eliminated before u3 and u4, and they had to share their final moments with u2.