Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[ZenkaiBoosts]

We don't even know if Goku being unable to access Ultra Instinct at will is a Toriyama exclusive idea. Seeing in the manga, Goku can access it with control.

Lol as if Toyotaro follows Toriyama. Toyotaro does his own thing more often then not.

If anything it's been proven by now that the anime follows Toriyama more closely. Toei treats Toriyama like a larger then life icon.

They followed Toriyama's exact order of eliminations for the TOP arc. Also the Saiyan book of legends which was a Toriyama exclusive plot point only appeared in the anime.

Also even when both parties diverge from Toriyama's outlines, Toei>>>>>>>>Toyotaro BY FAR

Just compare how epic Omen was, compared to how lackluster the process of it was in the manga

Just compare how fights in the anime are so much more epic then anything in the manga. I could start dropping tons more examples

Toyotaro is an absolute garbage tier writer. People defending him are just doing so because they will defend the manga no mafter what

If I started writing the manga the manga apologists would start hailing me as the best writer of all time all of the sudden lol

[RecolorSaiyan]

You do realize toriyama literally corrects dialogue and oversees everything in the manga right? Go read some of the interviews they've done together. Toyotaro CANNOT do anything without approval from toriyama. Anyways this isn't the thread for the manga vs anime argument

[IM21]

If anything it's been proven by now that the anime follows Toriyama more closely. Toei treats Toriyama like a larger then life icon.

They followed Toriyama's exact order of eliminations for the TOP arc. Also the Saiyan book of legends which was a Toriyama exclusive plot point only appeared in the anime.

Also even when both parties diverge from Toriyama's outlines, Toei>>>>>>>>Toyotaro BY FAR

Just compare how epic Omen was, compared to how lackluster the process of it was in the manga

Just compare how fights in the anime are so much more epic then anything in the manga. I could start dropping tons more examples

Toyotaro is an absolute garbage tier writer. People defending him are just doing so because they will defend the manga no mafter what

If I started writing the manga the manga apologists would start hailing me as the best writer of all time all of the sudden lol

this post lowered my IQ and made my head hurt.

do you know that Toriyama checks every single page Toyo does and even corrects them?

and please call me a manga lover, even tho I didn't like pretty much any ToP chapter so far.

[TheRed259]

Fuji TV uploaded on their official YouTube account the 2nd trailer both subbed and dubbed in English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7ekrpkh_hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dja8CR-lBbc

[Melkaniator]

One of the directors of the show confirmed that statement and the intent behind the anime staff in creating the form.

Where's.

The.

Source?

best colour first form Freeza and good colour design Broly.

Ugh.

Frieza look even more like a earthworm, and Broly's purple pants is considered good design color for you?

Such a taste.

I didn't even mentioned the awful looking greenish yellow pelt thingy he has.

From unique attire he had in the previous movies to a generic Saiya-jin armor, wow.

Bardock wearing a normal armor and lack of badass bloody headband.

All of that in combination with that art style makes for the overwhelming shit that will soon hit theaters.

[mute_proxy]

this post lowered my IQ and made my head hurt.

do you know that Toriyama checks every single page Toyo does and even corrects them?

and please call me a manga lover, even tho I didn't like pretty much any ToP chapter so far.

It's best not to mind that ZenkaiBoost guy, seems he hasn't learned anything during his ban

[Shaddy]

Ugh.

Frieza look even more like a earthworm, and Broly's purple pants is considered good design color for you?

Such a taste.

I didn't even mentioned the awful looking greenish yellow pelt thingy he has.

From unique attire he had in the previous movies to a generic Saiya-jin armor, wow.

Bardock wearing a normal armor and lack of badass bloody headband.

All of that in combination with that art style makes for the overwhelming shit that will soon hit theaters.

Freeza actually looks less wormy without the lines on his arms and legs. Plenty of characters are pink, Freeza looks smoother here than he ever has before.

Broly's pelt is made to match his hair, and the green and purple armor just seems to be similar to what the resF Freeza force were wearing. It's not a particularly weird combination by any means. That's what Piccolo wears, after all. And the armor comes off for basically the same look as the previous movies anyway, so I'm not really sure where your criticism of the outfit lies.

Bardock's design is less unique, but it matches the equally-bland personality that Minus gave him. Neither are a result of this film. Your problem is with Minus.

Ending it off by saying "all with that artstyle ugh" when the style is closer to classic DB than we've gotten in actual decades, and your sig is literally calling Super's designs lazy (which, it's more that Yamamuro just doesn't understand what's right for good movement) sends a lot of mixed messages.

[JazzMazz]

One of the directors of the show confirmed that statement and the intent behind the anime staff in creating the form.

Where's.

The.

Source?

best colour first form Freeza and good colour design Broly.

Ugh.

Frieza look even more like a earthworm, and Broly's purple pants is considered good design color for you?

Such a taste.

I didn't even mentioned the awful looking greenish yellow pelt thingy he has.

From unique attire he had in the previous movies to a generic Saiya-jin armor, wow.

Bardock wearing a normal armor and lack of badass bloody headband.

All of that in combination with that art style makes for the overwhelming shit that will soon hit theaters.

Here's the source. Sorry, didn't have it on hand.

Shaddy pretty much acknowledged everything else(though a little more forcefully than I would have put it).

[Melkaniator]

If anything it's been proven by now that the anime follows Toriyama more closely.

Akira created SSB as a form difficult to control with a serious energy draining issue.

Goku says so, in both versions, manga AND anime, manga use this info accordingly, anime completely contradicts it an episode later.

Many interviews show how Akira is there to correct Toyotaro, unlike for the anime.

Toei treats Toriyama like a larger then life icon.

Is that why they ignore his info and contradict it everytime they can?

People defending him are just doing so because they will defend the manga no mafter what

That actually seems to be the way YOU are acting, since no matter how much evidence that you're are wrong is there, you completely ignore it.

Extremely convenient, plus ironic, way of seeing things.

If I started writing the manga the manga apologists would start hailing me as the best writer of all time all of the sudden lol

So immature of you.

Broly's pelt is made to match his hair, and the green and purple armor just seems to be similar to what the resF Freeza force were wearing.

Nothing needs to match with his hair, it's not like I'm expecting something silver to match with UI Goku, and the armor is kinda normal Saiya-jin armor, thus more of the same, I prefer what he was wearing in his other movies.

Bardock's design is less unique, but it matches the equally-bland personality that Minus gave him. Neither are a result of this film. Your problem is with Minus.

And this IS from Minus, that's why.

the style is closer to classic DB than we've gotten in actual decades

Too classic, not my preferred style, even the 1993 one looks better in design, plus I didn't like the cg bits like the Goku Vs Broly clash scene.

It would be great if the movie was from a pre Raditz era story, but seeing Goku in this style as SSB is an eyesore.

I like Yuya Takahashi's style, sue me.

Yes, DBS is lazy AF, I stand by that, the art style in this movie is not part of that though, is just an art decision I disagree with.

[Miracles]

We don't even know if Goku being unable to access Ultra Instinct at will is a Toriyama exclusive idea. Seeing in the manga, Goku can access it with control.

No he can't...

Did you not see Goku transform into UI after 17 blew himself up and stated he won't allow his surrounding to distract him and not let his emotions control him? He didn't need to be knocked out or pushed to access UI like in the anime. In the comic Goku was in full control. Then as Jiren was powering up he took a deep breath and he turned full UI on his own.

We don't even know if Goku being unable to access Ultra Instinct at will is a Toriyama exclusive idea. Seeing in the manga, Goku can access it with control.

Lol as if Toyotaro follows Toriyama. Toyotaro does his own thing more often then not.

If anything it's been proven by now that the anime follows Toriyama more closely. Toei treats Toriyama like a larger then life icon.

They followed Toriyama's exact order of eliminations for the TOP arc. Also the Saiyan book of legends which was a Toriyama exclusive plot point only appeared in the anime.

Also even when both parties diverge from Toriyama's outlines, Toei>>>>>>>>Toyotaro BY FAR

Just compare how epic Omen was, compared to how lackluster the process of it was in the manga

Just compare how fights in the anime are so much more epic then anything in the manga. I could start dropping tons more examples

Toyotaro is an absolute garbage tier writer. People defending him are just doing so because they will defend the manga no mafter what

If I started writing the manga the manga apologists would start hailing me as the best writer of all time all of the sudden lol

Well this wasn't an anime vs manga debate. I did say we don't even know which way Toriyama will go with Goku accessing UI from the anime or manga. I had no bias whatsoever in my post. To add, you are flat out wrong about Toyotaro not following Toriyama when he blatantly states in an interview that he does not diverge from Toriyama's outline. He said he is free to expand in between but Toriyama's plans remain solid.

[Shaddy]

Nothing needs to match with his hair, it's not like I'm expecting something silver to match with UI Goku, and the armor is kinda normal Saiya-jin armor, thus more of the same, I prefer what he was wearing in his other movies.

Well, UI most likely isn't in this movie. Either way it's a common practice for characters to have color palettes that are consistent across each piece of their design.

And again, the armor really isn't relevant when Broly in his most recognizable form here loses it altogether. At that point he's basically just the same as his old design, sans some jewelery.

And this IS from Minus, that's why.

But this is NOT Minus. You can't blame this movie for Bardock's attire any more than I can blame Super for Chi Chi's hair not being as fucking hot loose and fluid as it was in earlier arcs. Because it was the Buu saga that gave her that design, not Super. I can be unhappy that Super didn't change it, but the series didn't create that look.

Too classic, not my preferred style, even the 1993 one looks better in design, plus I didn't like the cg bits like the Goku Vs Broly clash scene.

well...

Spoiler:

They're not hugely different approaches, comparing side-by-side. The big differences I note immediately are the feature placement, the length of the jaw, and one being rounded where the other is angular. I don't doubt that people would have preference for one over the other, but I'd never let that be the decisive factor on me calling an entire movie I've seen a grand total of maybe three minutes of "overwhelming shit".

As for the CG, nobody really likes when it's aggressively mixed in with 2D out of nowhere, but that's not really an element of the character designs so much as a directorial decision. Either way, the first CG we saw wasn't even finished, so for all we know it could improve more. It's already better than the last two films by a wide margin.

It would be great if the movie was from a pre Raditz era story, but seeing Goku in this style as SSB is an eyesore.

Blue is already an eyesore. There's nothing here that looks worse than Super, and it's still not segmented and drenched in highlights like Yamamuro does.

I like Yuya Takahashi's style, sue me.

...no? Fucking everyone likes Takahashi's art. But that's not really relevant when his art shines through no matter who's character designs he's ignoring. You can say you'd rather he be the character designer, but that's a very different conversation than what's going on right now.

[GodVegetto91]

Fuji TV uploaded on their official YouTube account the 2nd trailer both subbed and dubbed in English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7ekrpkh_hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dja8CR-lBbc

Funny that such a “big official channel” can’t even provide us with a proper 1080p version of the video. Whereas many “random youtube channels” can. Way to destroy your legitimacy.

[JazzMazz]

Nothing needs to match with his hair, it's not like I'm expecting something silver to match with UI Goku, and the armor is kinda normal Saiya-jin armor, thus more of the same, I prefer what he was wearing in his other movies.

Well, UI most likely isn't in this movie. Either way it's a common practice for characters to have color palettes that are consistent across each piece of their design.

And again, the armor really isn't relevant when Broly in his most recognizable form here loses it altogether. At that point he's basically just the same as his old design, sans some jewelery.

And this IS from Minus, that's why.

But this is NOT Minus. You can't blame this movie for Bardock's attire any more than I can blame Super for Chi Chi's hair not being as fucking hot loose and fluid as it was in earlier arcs. Because it was the Buu saga that gave her that design, not Super. I can be unhappy that Super didn't change it, but the series didn't create that look.

Too classic, not my preferred style, even the 1993 one looks better in design, plus I didn't like the cg bits like the Goku Vs Broly clash scene.

well...

Spoiler:

They're not hugely different approaches, comparing side-by-side. The big differences I note immediately are the feature placement, the length of the jaw, and one being rounded where the other is angular. I don't doubt that people would have preference for one over the other, but I'd never let that be the decisive factor on me calling an entire movie I've seen a grand total of maybe three minutes of "overwhelming shit".

As for the CG, nobody really likes when it's aggressively mixed in with 2D out of nowhere, but that's not really an element of the character designs so much as a directorial decision. Either way, the first CG we saw wasn't even finished, so for all we know it could improve more. It's already better than the last two films by a wide margin.

It would be great if the movie was from a pre Raditz era story, but seeing Goku in this style as SSB is an eyesore.

Blue is already an eyesore. There's nothing here that looks worse than Super, and it's still not segmented and drenched in highlights like Yamamuro does.

I like Yuya Takahashi's style, sue me.

...no? Fucking everyone likes Takahashi's art. But that's not really relevant when his art shines through no matter who's character designs he's ignoring. You can say you'd rather he be the character designer, but that's a very different conversation than what's going on right now.

Those aren't the 90's design for Goku, that looks like a repurposed 2010, or BOG era design.
This a complete design comparison.

Spoiler:

[Melkaniator]

UI most likely isn't in this movie.

Irrelevant in this matter.

Either way it's a common practice for characters to have color palettes that are consistent across each piece of their design.

As common as not having it apparently.

And again, the armor really isn't relevant when Broly in his most recognizable form here loses it altogether. At that point he's basically just the same as his old design, sans some jewelery.

I disagree, pants, pelt, and generic Saiya-jin boots, all inferior to his OG design IMHO.

But this is NOT Minus. You can't blame this movie for Bardock's attire

Of course I can, but YOU don't have to agree.

It's using Minus generic crap, and I don't like it, plus it creates inconsistency.

well...

Spoiler:

They're not hugely different approaches, comparing side-by-side.

I don't doubt that people would have preference for one over the other, but I'd never let that be the decisive factor on me calling an entire movie I've seen a grand total of maybe three minutes of "overwhelming shit".

#1) I didn't either, if you paid attention, I meant the combo, not just a single thing.

#2) And you can like whatever, I don't like this movie's style.

I just saw them on DB Heroes cards, and I don't want ANY of those cards, they look lame AF.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Funny that such a “big official channel” can’t even provide us with a proper 1080p version of the video. Whereas many “random youtube channels” can. Way to destroy your legitimacy.

Since when is legitimacy tied to the pixel resolution of a video?

[SSJgogeto]

Bardock wearing a normal armor

I like that, actually. I don't see any sense in give him an exclusive armor.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Bardock wearing a normal armor

Which is no different from the normal armor he wore in the TV special from decades ago.

[Jackalope89]

Bardock wearing a normal armor

Which is no different from the normal armor he wore in the TV special from decades ago.

But shoulder guards!

[Rakurai]

If anything it's been proven by now that the anime follows Toriyama more closely. Toei treats Toriyama like a larger then life icon.

They followed Toriyama's exact order of eliminations for the TOP arc. Also the Saiyan book of legends which was a Toriyama exclusive plot point only appeared in the anime.

Also even when both parties diverge from Toriyama's outlines, Toei>>>>>>>>Toyotaro BY FAR

Just compare how epic Omen was, compared to how lackluster the process of it was in the manga

Just compare how fights in the anime are so much more epic then anything in the manga. I could start dropping tons more examples

Toyotaro is an absolute garbage tier writer. People defending him are just doing so because they will defend the manga no mafter what

If I started writing the manga the manga apologists would start hailing me as the best writer of all time all of the sudden lol

this post lowered my IQ and made my head hurt.

do you know that Toriyama checks every single page Toyo does and even corrects them?

and please call me a manga lover, even tho I didn't like pretty much any ToP chapter so far.

I think I lost a few brain cells from reading that post too.

And he seriously thinks he could write a monthly manga on the order as Toyotaro's lol. He probably wouldn't even be able to handle a quarter of the schedule mangakas like Toyo regularly follow.

[Nokra]

If anything it's been proven by now that the anime follows Toriyama more closely. Toei treats Toriyama like a larger then life icon.

They followed Toriyama's exact order of eliminations for the TOP arc. Also the Saiyan book of legends which was a Toriyama exclusive plot point only appeared in the anime.

Also even when both parties diverge from Toriyama's outlines, Toei>>>>>>>>Toyotaro BY FAR

Just compare how epic Omen was, compared to how lackluster the process of it was in the manga

Just compare how fights in the anime are so much more epic then anything in the manga. I could start dropping tons more examples

Toyotaro is an absolute garbage tier writer. People defending him are just doing so because they will defend the manga no mafter what

If I started writing the manga the manga apologists would start hailing me as the best writer of all time all of the sudden lol

this post lowered my IQ and made my head hurt.

do you know that Toriyama checks every single page Toyo does and even corrects them?

and please call me a manga lover, even tho I didn't like pretty much any ToP chapter so far.

I think I lost a few brain cells from reading that post too.

And he seriously thinks he could write a monthly manga on the order as Toyotaro's lol. He probably wouldn't even be able to handle a quarter of the schedule mangakas like Toyo regularly follow.

Doesn't seem like toyble can handle the schedule either considering how trash his writing is