"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Zephyr]

I'm actually down to have Toyotaro not adapt the Broly film. The more complementary the manga arcs are to Toriyama's films, rather than trying to act as alternatives to them, the better. Even his Battle of Gods adaptation felt more like an abridged recap/extended prologue to the Champa arc, than an entirely separate take (minor inconsistencies aside).

If he does adapt the Broly film, I hopes it's indeed akin to his Battle of Gods adaptation: more brief than a normal arc, and not wholly redundant.

My point is that the manga ToP was bad. People were defending it saying it wasn't Toyo's fault and he was just being rushed to get to Broly. I never bought into that since you totally COULD have made a good story in that amount of time, and as we can see now, Toyo doesn't seem to have been rushed in the slightest. Meaning the reason Toyo's manga has been bad recently is because he made it that way. That's all I'm saying.

People were also criticizing the manga saying that it was too rushed for the Broly movie.

Evidently, these people were wrong. And I'm glad to know that the TOP arc (seemingly) hadn't been rushed by external forces, because there were only a few missteps in pacing anyway (Gohan v Kafla being the major one, the time it took to eliminate the other universes is another).

I don't even think the latter is an example of rushing, if Kale wiping everyone out is what we're talking about. That's meant to be a big "oh fuck" chapter. It gives the Potara interesting utility, and serves to effectively foreshadow the next arc. There's nothing wrong with Kale stealing that much of the show; the big problem is indeed Gohan vs Kafla being placed into the background after she did so.

Unless everyone is still hung up on all of the glorified Tenkaichi Budokai prelim mooks getting unceremoniously eliminated, which more a lack of perspective than anything else.

[Zamasu55]

Hope the enemy's not that Hit looking guy we see in Heroes.

[Neon Z]

Unless everyone is still hung up on all of the glorified Tenkaichi Budokai prelim mooks getting unceremoniously eliminated, which more a lack of perspective than anything else.

The issue is that several characters went into this arc and basically got nothing. It's bizarre to me that Kibito got more fighting and unique character moment in the manga version of the Future Trunks arc than half of the U7 cast in the manga ToP. There was also the Quitella build up from the first half of this arc fizzling into nothing, which just makes that all seem like a waste of time. I don't think people would care about the fighters from the other universes getting thrown away easily if the U7 characters themselves hadn't been shafted too.

[Shaddy]

At the same time I don’t think you do understand how manga works. The editor usually gives the manga-ka a set number of pages and chapters for an arc.

So regardless of whether Broly in the manga was a thing Toyo would have been told ahead of time how many pages/chapters he had to work with. Sometimes manga-ka will even say I had extra pages in this volume to work with so I am including this bonus chapter.

I can assure you Toyo was definitely under timing constraints and did not decide on his own how long or short the TOP arc would be. And since Dragon Ball is such a huge franchise he probably has less control than even a manga-ka doing an original work.

At the very least I am looking forward to seeing something
Original from him where his story doesn’t have to be compared to the anime.


Note: This has nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the manga just Toyotaro wasn’t speeding through the TOP by his own design.

Well if that's how it works then the people saying he was rushed because of Broly didn't know what they were talking about either.

Regardless of all of this, it still stands that Broly was not the reason the manga ToP has sucked, nor is "rushing" even much of a factor since he still chose to try to emulate the anime's large-scale approach. If what you're saying is true, then it's worse, because he should have known better and planned a different, more focused story from the beginning. Because it's not like these chapters were unfinished for the most part, just janky and flat.

[BlueBasilisk]

How many chapters do you think the manga will get ahead of the anime?

A} if they don't adapt Broly?
B} if they do adapt Broly first?

Not sure. They overtook him at episode 33 last time and that was after he skipped RoF. It's not really hard to make up ground at 4 episodes per month vs 1 chapter.

[AnimeNation101]

I wonder how a threat that was subdued by just the Galactic Patrol will be able to threaten Goku and Vegeta. Unless the prisoner is millions of years old and was captured with the help of the kaioshin and even Beerus and has been imprisoned at Galactic Patrol HQ or its most guarded prison ever until now.

[AnimeNation101]

How many chapters do you think the manga will get ahead of the anime?

A} if they don't adapt Broly?
B} if they do adapt Broly first?

Not sure. They overtook him at episode 33 last time and that was after he skipped RoF. It's not really hard to make up ground at 4 episodes per month vs 1 chapter.

Assuming Toyo really doesn’t adapt the Broly movie and Super 2.0 comes back in July:

If Super 2.0 does have a Broly retelling lasting about 13 episodes, Toyo will be 11 chapters ahead of the anime

If Super 2.0 doesn’t have a Broly retelling, Toyo will be 8 chapters ahead of the anime.

[Cursemark505]

Dang, so it does take place after the Broli arc. At the very least, I hope this means the Broli arc will be recreated in the next series. I'm also hoping looking forward to seeing how this arc pans out since it'll come out before any animated adaption.

I still don't understand why everybody still thinks the anime will do a retelling or why anybody would want it.

Super had to do retellings of BoG & RoF because they weren't a part of Super's continuity and they had to change/add stuff. The broly film is already a part of Super's continuity. What would be the point of even doing the movie in the first place if they were just going to redo it again immediately after, only with inferior animation and dragged out pacing?

[Miracles]

Glad the manga is just leaving Toriyama's movie alone and continuing from there.

[Lukmendes]

Just had a bad idea, what if this Prisoner arc is a remake of Bojack Unbound!

There's a way to make it even worse, make this arc have most of DB movie villains so they all become canon

I wonder how a threat that was subdued by just the Galactic Patrol will be able to threaten Goku and Vegeta. Unless the prisoner is millions of years old and was captured with the help of the kaioshin and even Beerus and has been imprisoned at Galactic Patrol HQ or its most guarded prison ever until now.

The villain could have gimmicky powers that make him difficult to take down, kinda like how Boo was so threatening not just because of his power, but because of how difficult it was to damage him.

I doubt that if Beerus or Kaioshins helped to beat some guy they'd leave at Galatic Patrol's prison when he could be left on Kaioshin's world, maybe sealed inside the Z sword like Old Kaioshin, or just use whatever that sealing technique was used on Black in the new timeline Trunks went.

Super had to do retellings of BoG & RoF because they weren't a part of Super's continuity and they had to change/add stuff. The broly film is already a part of Super's continuity. What would be the point of even doing the movie in the first place if they were just going to redo it again immediately after, only with inferior animation and dragged out pacing?

I don't see why they needed to redo BoG and RoF just to say they're part of the Super continuity, they could just reference them, retcon some stuff and be done with it.

[TKA]

The arc's premise seems interesting by virtue of being something that cannot just be a big fight.

[batistabus]

The issue is that several characters went into this arc and basically got nothing. It's bizarre to me that Kibito got more fighting and unique character moment in the manga version of the Future Trunks arc than half of the U7 cast in the manga ToP. There was also the Quitella build up from the first half of this arc fizzling into nothing, which just makes that all seem like a waste of time. I don't think people would care about the fighters from the other universes getting thrown away easily if the U7 characters themselves hadn't been shafted too.

Kibito's role in the manga was in service of building up Zamasu. It let us know where Zamasu stood in terms of status, strength, and ideology.

Similarly, Kuririn and Tenshinhan were used in service of building up Freeza. It showed us that he was still a bad guy who would manipulate others as he saw fit, but was ultimately working towards victory for Universe 7.

I think this is an excellent use of all characters because these examples feel honest to the characters, don't feel like a waste of time, and build up the more important elements of the arc.

As for Quitela, he had the invisible warriors that ended up eliminating No. 18 and Piccolo (plus fodder characters from other universes), and likely could have eliminated more without No. 17's enhanced vision.

[Lord Frieza]

The arc's premise seems interesting by virtue of being something that cannot just be a big fight.

You think so?

Bad guys break out, go to earth, wreck stuff, heroes try to stop them, big fight, end.

Edit: worse case scenario of course.

[AnimeNation101]

So how’s this chapter gonna go? Assuming its 45 pages as always, the Universe Survival Arc wraps up in 38 pages and the last 7 pages are timeskipping past the Broly arc and into the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc.

[Miracles]

So how’s this chapter gonna go? Assuming its 45 pages as always, the Universe Survival Arc wraps up in 38 pages and the last 7 pages are timeskipping past the Broly arc and into the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc.

Vegeta will be the first to go. Goku and Freeza will tag team Jiren and 17 wins.

The arc's premise seems interesting by virtue of being something that cannot just be a big fight.

Actually have some type of significant plot like Zamas arc?

[superfan2024]

I actually really hope that this new "arc" is a new Toriyama arc. I don't want Toyo to do the Broly Arc so that once the new Super anime arrives, Toyo could be a pretty far pace ahead. Also, to those making the argument that the anime would catch up eventually since each manga chapter is released once a month, that argument could be countered with the prediction that the anime could just have a lot of filler. First, the anime could have like 5 eps of filler with hints to their re-telling of the Broly movie. Once they get to the re-telling, they should as much filler as possible (that is tolerable and makes sense to the story). Expand on the Freeza/Saiyan backstory and empire. expand on Goten, Trunks, and the Pilaf Gang's adventures, expand on the rest of the unseen Dragon Team. Afterwards, we should get like 10 more episodes of filler before we get to the new arc. Afterwards, the new arc will be your typical manga adaptation anime, with canon and filler material side by side within episodes. The anime should pace itself nicely and wisely so it could be at least 3 months away from the manga. I have faith it could work.

[Rakurai]

Glad the manga is just leaving Toriyama's movie alone and continuing from there.

I was kind of looking forward to the comparison between Kale & Broly. What was the point of calling her the Legendary Saiyan of U6 if not for Broly? I'm still hoping for that interaction in the future.

[Miracles]

Glad the manga is just leaving Toriyama's movie alone and continuing from there.

I was kind of looking forward to the comparison between Kale & Broly. What was the point of calling her the Legendary Saiyan of U6 if not for Broly? I'm still hoping for that interaction in the future.

Ah, I see. Maybe TOEI would touch upon that point if they come back and do their version of the Broly movie. Kale was their idea after all.

[Xeztin]

So you guys think the full broly movie will be drew in the promontional manga? Or a cliff hanger non conclusion? I really wanted to see the arc complete in manga format

[alakazam^]

I actually really hope that this new "arc" is a new Toriyama arc. I don't want Toyo to do the Broly Arc so that once the new Super anime arrives, Toyo could be a pretty far pace ahead. Also, to those making the argument that the anime would catch up eventually since each manga chapter is released once a month, that argument could be countered with the prediction that the anime could just have a lot of filler. First, the anime could have like 5 eps of filler with hints to their re-telling of the Broly movie. Once they get to the re-telling, they should as much filler as possible (that is tolerable and makes sense to the story). Expand on the Freeza/Saiyan backstory and empire. expand on Goten, Trunks, and the Pilaf Gang's adventures, expand on the rest of the unseen Dragon Team. Afterwards, we should get like 10 more episodes of filler before we get to the new arc. Afterwards, the new arc will be your typical manga adaptation anime, with canon and filler material side by side within episodes. The anime should pace itself nicely and wisely so it could be at least 3 months away from the manga. I have faith it could work.

That'd be horrible and uncalled for... There's no reason the anime has to be behind the manga.

I hope this isn't a Toyotarou arc for them to gauge if he can handle his own for the future but we'll see what this is all about, if it even is true.