Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
zarmack wrote:Speaking of which, I'm sure most fans would prefer Kale to look like this (myself included lol):
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And Caulifila to look something like this:
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Yeah, I don't get what with this trend of having these characters to have unappealing designs, when they could do much better:
Toriyama as a character designer has simply fallen off. Yuya Takahashi and many fan artists East and West make way better character designs than Toriyama has since the early 2000s.
FUNi's use of Vegito doesn't work given they don't call him Kakarotto. However, I hate the idea of Vegerot. Just calling him Gogeta is a far better idea. The differences between Gogeta and Vegetto are superficial at best. Even if it's not a good idea, it's not nearly as god awful as Vegerot, which sounds like some sort of mold. No, don't eat that, it has vegerot.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
DB could learn a thing or two from the recent Halloween movie on how not to suck as a franchise revival.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:DB could learn a thing or two from the recent Halloween movie on how not to suck as a franchise revival.
Yeah, but DB's revival didn't suck. Battle of Gods was good. It was everything that came after it that sucked balls.
So, give Halloween time.
Well talks of a sequel certainly imply that so fuck you every much for crushing that momentary spur of optimism
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:DB could learn a thing or two from the recent Halloween movie on how not to suck as a franchise revival.
Yeah, but DB's revival didn't suck. Battle of Gods was good. It was everything that came after it that sucked balls.
So, give Halloween time.
Well talks of a sequel certainly imply that so fuck you every much for crushing that momentary spur of optimism
Well, it doesn't count as a "successful revival" if it's only one film, right? Plenty of franchises have had successful one-off reboots. It's when you keep it going that it's impressive.
Rocky did it twice. Like Doctor. said, it's when it can keep it going that it's a successful revival and not just a one off. One offs are much easier to do well.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Does anyone else remember all those dumb fan theories trying to say SSG inspired the creation of KK in-universe? Good times.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
So I watched GT recently, man, that was an experience, most characters introduced are bland, most battles are boring, good ideas with whatever execution... It's honestly kind of a wonder it reached 64 episodes.
Not that I watched GT expecting it to be bad or whatever, if I bother to watch anything I'll try to enjoy it, but unfortunately GT wasn't fun enough for that.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:08 am
My man, all Goku had to do was go SSJ3 and shock Vegeta so much the M on his head would have turned into an L and Buu would have never happened.
This popped into my head while writing about fusions in the other thread: They missed a trick having Caulifla and Kale fuse via the earrings and not the dance. If they'd done the dance, then you could have had a botched version called "Caulifail".
Doctor. wrote:
Yeah, but DB's revival didn't suck. Battle of Gods was good. It was everything that came after it that sucked balls.
So, give Halloween time.
Well talks of a sequel certainly imply that so fuck you every much for crushing that momentary spur of optimism
Well, it doesn't count as a "successful revival" if it's only one film, right? Plenty of franchises have had successful one-off reboots. It's when you keep it going that it's impressive.
ABED wrote:Rocky did it twice. Like Doctor. said, it's when it can keep it going that it's a successful revival and not just a one off. One offs are much easier to do well.
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The new 2018 Halloween is no less than the THIRD attempt at rebooting the franchise. Its also easily and by far and away the best of them, primarily because it actually understands and distills and gets back to the meat and potatoes basics of what worked best and lent the original film its power (the elegant simplicity of the filmmaking, the hauntingly isolating suburban atmosphere, Jamie Lee Curtis, and the unknowable "he just is" motivations behind Myers' homicidal madness).
The first reboot (H2O) came out right on the heels of the mega-success of Scream in the mid-late 90s, and attempted to reinvent the franchise more in Scream's image (as was the then-trend among late 90s slasher films) as an uber-hip, self-aware, meta-referencing snark-machine with It-Guy/Girl-of-the-moment teen stars at the center. Which of course completely ill-suited it.
Then reboot number 2 came in the form of Rob Zombie's re-imagining which, while theoretically a perfectly fine slasher movie on its own in a vacuum, completely and utterly missed the entire point of Halloween and Michael Myers by demystifying him with a completely rote and tiresomely predictable backstory (abused, bullied kid from a broken home, kills animals first before moving onto people, etc) that undercuts everything that ever made him scary and iconic in the first place, as well as lending the film an atmosphere and stylistic sensibility much more suited to The Texas Chainsaw Massacre than Halloween.
Both prior attempts didn't work primarily because both didn't trust in the core appeal of the original classic and attempted to remake or "update" it into something it was not and was never intended to be.
Considering what a colossal trainwreck the Halloween franchise had devolved into by this point, its nothing short of miraculous that reboot number 3 ended up turning out even one tenth as well as it has. On that merit alone, I'd consider just this one movie existing by itself as something of any even remote shred of value to it to be a pretty massive win (at least for this particular series) all on its own and worthy of being called "a successful revival". Call it grading on a curve from low expectations if you like, but any franchise than can successfully bounce back to this degree from something as unremittingly godawful and soul-crushingly worthless as Halloween: Resurrection (easily one of the worst slasher sequels of all time, which is saying something) is fully worthy of all the props in the world.
Also worth noting that each of the previous two reboots only had one sequel each before totally imploding and restarting fresh anew the next time. Guess we'll see if that same pattern holds true for this one now that its, unlike its two predecessors, actually largely pretty good.
Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Kataphrut wrote:This popped into my head while writing about fusions in the other thread: They missed a trick having Caulifla and Kale fuse via the earrings and not the dance. If they'd done the dance, then you could have had a botched version called "Caulifail".
That doesn't really work with the way phonetics work in Japanese.
The Monkey King wrote:Come to think of it, what would be the in-universe explanation of multiple characters owning items of clothing with their names on them?
Is it just a popular thing to do in the DBverse?
Is there a company that does special orders so you can have your name on your clothes?
I guess no one can steal them that way lol
It's possible that it's a popular thing in the Dragonball world
Freeza doesn't need oxygen to survive, but he breathes heavy when he gets exhausted. Also, Freeza has no genitals or anus, yet he drinks. How does he expel waste?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Looking back at Ressurection F movie, Freeza (and his race?) has an impressive survival feat, he can remain alive for several minutes after his brain was sliced in pieces by Trunks (as he didn't die or lose consciousness after being revived in that same condition). If he can survive that I suspect decapitation alone would not be an instant kill agains him.
Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.
Does anyone else find it weird the Funi dub of Dragon Ball made Oolong an adult? Like they gave him the same adult male voice and removed all reference to him being a kid. And because his debut episode has him kidnapping LITTLE girls they basically turned him into a pedophile