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As if anyone's gonna believe thatMattias_ wrote: 5 - Android 17 - 7 eliminations - (DEAD)
Thank you, everyone, for coming on this journey through two iterations of the Tournament of Power. Let us sincerely pray that Toriyama never attempts something this crazy again
Goku was treated horribly in the Universal Survival arc in the manga.MKCSTEALTH wrote:Goku seriously had no eliminations in the Manga? How did Toyotaro let that happen?
This. It subverts expectations and fits his character perfectly. Goku didn't give a shit about racking up eliminations, he just wanted to fight the strongest guy there.GreatSaiyaJeff wrote:Ha ha no eliminations for Goku in the manga. Makes sense since he was fixated on Jiran the whole time.
thank you for everything, I miss the count of eliminations that you brought us.shadowmaria wrote:46. #17 (Universe 7) (6) committed suicide in a vein attempt to eliminate Jiren (Chapter 40)
46. Vegeta (Universe 7) (2) was eliminated by Jiren (Universe 11) (3) thanks to a comedic blast to the face (Chapter 41)
47. Goku (Universe 7) (0), Jiren (Universe 11) (3), and Frieza (Universe 7) 7) were eliminated by Frieza (Universe 7) (7) with a self-elimination double-fist spear that forced all three off the edge. (Chapter 41)
Competitor Ranking (based on number of eliminations):
1. Kale (Universe 6) eliminated 14 competitors
2. Frost (Universe 6) eliminated 8 competitors
3. Kefla (Universe 6) eliminated 7 competitors and Frieza (Universe 7) eliminated 7 competitors
4. #17 (Universe 7) eliminated 6 competitors, and Gamisaras (Universe 4) eliminated 6 competitors
5. Jiren (Universe 11) eliminated 3 competitors
6. Vegeta (Universe 7) has eliminated 2 competitors, Piccolo (Universe 7) has eliminated 2 competitors, and
7. #18 (Universe 7) eliminated 1 competitor, Prum (Universe 2) eliminated 1 competitor, Hyssop (Universe 9) eliminated 1 competitor, Damon (Universe 4) eliminated 1 competitor, Cabba (Universe 6) eliminated 1 competitor, Gohan (Universe 7) eliminated 1 competitor, and Master Roshi (Universe 7) eliminated 1 competitor
Universe Ranking (based on number of eliminations):
1. Universe 6
2. Universe 7
3. Universe 11
4. Universe 4
5. Universe 2
6. Universe 3 and Universe 10
7. Universe 9
Universe 2 Competitors eliminated: 10/10
Universe 3 Competitors eliminated: 10/10
Universe 4 Competitors eliminated: 10/10
Universe 6 Competitors eliminated: 10/10
Universe 7 Competitors eliminated: 9/10
Universe 9 Competitors eliminated: 10/10
Universe 10 Competitors eliminated: 10/10
Universe 11 Competitors eliminated: 10/10
Universe 2 eliminated: 1 competitor
Universe 3 eliminated: 0 competitors
Universe 4 eliminated: 6 competitors
Universe 6 eliminated: 30 competitors
Universe 7 has eliminated: 19 competitors
Universe 9 eliminated: 1 competitor
Universe 10 eliminated: 0 competitors
Universe 11 has eliminated: 3 competitors
Competitors Who Eliminated Themselves: Cabba (Universe 6) and Frieza (Universe 7)
9. 21 NOV 2018 - Chapter 42 - Battle's End and Aftermath: 4
Tournament of Power Competitors Eliminated: 79/80
Only 1 Competitor Remain in the Tournament of Power
Order In Which Each Universe Is Erased:
1st Universe Erased: Universe 9, eliminated by Universe 7
2nd Universe Erased: Universe 4, eliminated by Universe 6
3rd Universe Erased: Universe 3, eliminated by Universe 6
4th Universe Erased: Universe 2, eliminated by Universe 6
5th Universe Erased: Universe 10, eliminated by Universe 6
6th Universe Erased: Universe 6, eliminated by Universe 7
6th Universe Erased: Universe 11, eliminated by Universe 7
Winning Universe of the Tournament of Power: Universe 7
Thank you, everyone, for coming on this journey through two iterations of the Tournament of Power. Let us sincerely pray that Toriyama never attempts something this crazy again
That's a pretty bad way to rationalize the manga's poor use of Goku (and just about everyone else). How does Goku failing to eliminate anybody fit his character (when he's known to do well in tournaments in general)?Marlowe89 wrote:This. It subverts expectations and fits his character perfectly. Goku didn't give a shit about racking up eliminations, he just wanted to fight the strongest guy there.GreatSaiyaJeff wrote:Ha ha no eliminations for Goku in the manga. Makes sense since he was fixated on Jiran the whole time.
Also, I'm happy that Universe 7 didn't get the most eliminations, despite winning the tournament. Kinda feel like Universe 11 needed more though.
I... just explained why it fits his character. He made it 100% clear before the tournament started that he was more interested in Jiren than any other participant, even ignoring his would-be opponents during the actual competition to fight him. A battle royale is structurally completely different from previous tournaments because it affords Goku the opportunity to go at his desired opponent as soon as possible, so your comparison is ill-founded.zarmack wrote: That's a pretty bad way to rationalize the manga's poor use of Goku (and just about everyone else). How does Goku failing to eliminate anybody fit his character (when he's known to do well in tournaments in general)?
Proper character usage =/= fanservice (manga fans always play the "fanservice" card claim to deflect criticism of it smh).Marlowe89 wrote:I... just explained why it fits his character. He made it 100% clear before the tournament started that he was more interested in Jiren than any other participant, even ignoring his would-be opponents during the actual competition to fight him. A battle royale is structurally completely different from previous tournaments because Goku has the opportunity to go at his desired opponent immediately, so your comparison is ill-founded.zarmack wrote: That's a pretty bad way to rationalize the manga's poor use of Goku (and just about everyone else). How does Goku failing to eliminate anybody fit his character (when he's known to do well in tournaments in general)?
What you're asking for is fanservice.
The fact that you immediately made this about "manga fans" (as if this is some kind of war) reiterates that you aren't interested in an honest discussion and seem to be taking this personally. Looking at your post history, this isn't shocking.zarmack wrote:manga fans always play the "fanservice" card claim to deflect criticism of it smh
Goku's character is interested primarily in opponents who can push him beyond his limits. Surprise, surprise: Jiren is both the strongest guy around and the only one in the tournament capable of that. This is made abundantly clear in both versions of the arc, although it was only the anime that had him constantly dicking around with opponents way below his paygrade.zarmack wrote:Goku's character isn't just interested in the strongest guy around but anyone who can give him a challenge
1. Hit, Aniraza, Kefla and Toppo are all also capable of pushing Goku's limits (2 of them actually did this in the anime), so that's a false argument.Marlowe89 wrote:The fact that you immediately made this about "manga fans" (as if this is some kind of war) reiterates that you aren't interested in an honest discussion seem to be taking this a little too personally. Looking at your post history, this isn't shocking.zarmack wrote:manga fans always play the "fanservice" card claim to deflect criticism of it smh
Goku's character is interested primarily in opponents who can push him beyond his limits. Surprise, surprise: Jiren is both the strongest guy around and the only one in the tournament capable of that. This is made abundantly clear in both versions of the arc, although it was only the anime that had him constantly dicking around with opponents way below his paygrade.zarmack wrote:Goku's character isn't just interested in the strongest guy around but anyone who can give him a challenge
So yeah, fanservice. You getting miffed that he didn't rack up eliminations holds exactly zero relevance to Goku's personality, development, or motives.
This is why you shouldn't ignore context.zarmack wrote: 1. Hit, Aniraza, Kefla and Toppo are all also capable of pushing Goku's limits (2 of them actually did this in the anime), so that's a false argument.
That's patently false. Goku overpowered the likes of Toppo and Dyspo to go straight for Jiren not even three chapters in, proceeding to focus on him for almost the entire remainder of the competition. The two fighting each other off-screen throughout its duration was a major point of contention during the manga's run, actually.zarmack wrote:2. Goku was dicking around with weaker fighters 99% percent of the time in the manga (yet still couldn't get rid of them), so that's a hypocritical complaint about the anime.
Add that to the list of direct consequences of Toyotaro totally rushing the ToP arc in the manga.Lord Beerus wrote:Goku was treated horribly in the Universal Survival arc in the manga.MKCSTEALTH wrote:Goku seriously had no eliminations in the Manga? How did Toyotaro let that happen?