Does the Super Manga feel incomplete?

[Lord Beerus]

Thats an interesting look at it, but what does it manage to fill in? It seems more contradictory than anything. It goes out of its way to introduce alternate takes on the content rather than flesh it out.

Are you referring to them providing more info about Jiren's master?

Yeah, stuff like:

- Jiren's wish being expanded upon
- The relationship with Vermoud and Jiren's master
- Future Trunks being Kaioshin's disciple and battling Babidi, Dabra and his minions
- Goku Black's evolution to Super Saiyan Rose

How does the anime expand the manga, though? the tv show of course? All you need is the manga and movie to get a whole and conclusive product.

That's not the point of the conversation we're having...

[Son-Kakaroto]

Yeah, stuff like:

- Jiren's wish being expanded upon
- The relationship with Vermoud and Jiren's master
- Future Trunks being Kaioshin's disciple and battling Babidi, Dabra and his minions
- Goku Black's evolution to Super Saiyan Rose

How does the anime expand the manga, though? the tv show of course? All you need is the manga and movie to get a whole and conclusive product.

That's not the point of the conversation we're having...

You just said the manga is incomplete unless you watch the movie AND "tv anime"? How does the anime expand the manga in any needed way?

[Lord Beerus]

How does the anime expand the manga, though? the tv show of course? All you need is the manga and movie to get a whole and conclusive product.

That's not the point of the conversation we're having...

You just said the manga is incomplete unless you watch the movie AND "tv anime"? How does the anime expand the manga in any needed way?

I said:

If you look at the manga as it's own product, it's very incomplete.

Which is true. It literally skips an the events of the Resurrection F and Dragon Ball Super Broly.
And the I later stated:

But if you look at the angle of the manga being supplementary material for Toriyama's movies and Super TV anime, it fits in the necessary slots and feels like a wholesome product.

Which again, is true. As Toyotaro doesn't cover Resurrection F or Dragon Ball Super Broly (Both of which are written by Toriyama himself). And the material that the manga does cover, adds a bit more context here and there compared to specific scenarios in the anime. Hence I used the term "supplementary material". The TV anime covers every major story Toriyama has provided so far, but Toyotaro manga hasn't.

How much mileage you gain from what Toyotaro covers -- in regards to plot-lines that Toriyama provides -- compared to anime, is to your discretion.

[Son-Kakaroto]

That's not the point of the conversation we're having...

You just said the manga is incomplete unless you watch the movie AND "tv anime"? How does the anime expand the manga in any needed way?

I said:

If you look at the manga as it's own product, it's very incomplete.

Which is true. It literally skips an the events of the Resurrection F and Dragon Ball Super Broly.
And the I later stated:

But if you look at the angle of the manga being supplementary material for Toriyama's movies and Super TV anime, it fits in the necessary slots and feels like a wholesome product.

Which again, is true. As Toyotaro doesn't cover Resurrection F or Dragon Ball Super Broly (Both of which are written by Toriyama himself). And the material that the manga does cover, adds a bit more context here and there compared to specific scenarios in the anime. Hence I used the term "supplementary material". The TV anime covers every major story Toriyama has provided so far, but Toyotaro manga hasn't.

How much mileage you gain from what Toyotaro covers -- in regards to plot-lines that Toriyama provides -- compared to anime, is to your discretion.

Okay, we agree to disagree, Berrus. Don't understand why you like yourself in the anime, when your manga counterpart is stronger and 10x cooler and more savage.

[BWri]

You just said the manga is incomplete unless you watch the movie AND "tv anime"? How does the anime expand the manga in any needed way?

I said:

If you look at the manga as it's own product, it's very incomplete.

Which is true. It literally skips an the events of the Resurrection F and Dragon Ball Super Broly.
And the I later stated:

But if you look at the angle of the manga being supplementary material for Toriyama's movies and Super TV anime, it fits in the necessary slots and feels like a wholesome product.

Which again, is true. As Toyotaro doesn't cover Resurrection F or Dragon Ball Super Broly (Both of which are written by Toriyama himself). And the material that the manga does cover, adds a bit more context here and there compared to specific scenarios in the anime. Hence I used the term "supplementary material". The TV anime covers every major story Toriyama has provided so far, but Toyotaro manga hasn't.

How much mileage you gain from what Toyotaro covers -- in regards to plot-lines that Toriyama provides -- compared to anime, is to your discretion.

Okay, we agree to disagree, Berrus. Don't understand why you like yourself in the anime, when your manga counterpart is stronger and 10x cooler and more savage.

Anime Beerus is definitely stronger than manga Beerus. Just about everyone in the anime is stronger than the manga with the strange exceptions of ToP Gohan and U6 arc Piccolo. The Piccolo example makes sense when you see his overall improvement in the ToP.

I believe the power inflation started with the SSBKK and since that power levels in the anime are out of control compared to the mostly conservative manga.

[Son-Kakaroto]

I said:

Which is true. It literally skips an the events of the Resurrection F and Dragon Ball Super Broly.
And the I later stated:

Which again, is true. As Toyotaro doesn't cover Resurrection F or Dragon Ball Super Broly (Both of which are written by Toriyama himself). And the material that the manga does cover, adds a bit more context here and there compared to specific scenarios in the anime. Hence I used the term "supplementary material". The TV anime covers every major story Toriyama has provided so far, but Toyotaro manga hasn't.

How much mileage you gain from what Toyotaro covers -- in regards to plot-lines that Toriyama provides -- compared to anime, is to your discretion.

Okay, we agree to disagree, Berrus. Don't understand why you like yourself in the anime, when your manga counterpart is stronger and 10x cooler and more savage.

Anime Beerus is definitely stronger than manga Beerus. Just about everyone in the anime is stronger than the manga with the strange exceptions of ToP Gohan and U6 arc Piccolo. The Piccolo example makes sense when you see his overall improvement in the ToP.

I believe the power inflation started with the SSBKK and since that power levels in the anime are out of control compared to the mostly conservative manga.

Berrus is top 2 gods, while anime berrus is middle of pack and nothing to talk about.

[Lord Beerus]

Okay, we agree to disagree, Berrus. Don't understand why you like yourself in the anime, when your manga counterpart is stronger and 10x cooler and more savage.

Anime Beerus is definitely stronger than manga Beerus. Just about everyone in the anime is stronger than the manga with the strange exceptions of ToP Gohan and U6 arc Piccolo. The Piccolo example makes sense when you see his overall improvement in the ToP.

I believe the power inflation started with the SSBKK and since that power levels in the anime are out of control compared to the mostly conservative manga.

Berrus is top 2 gods, while anime berrus is middle of pack and nothing to talk about.

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Son-Kakaroto]

Anime Beerus is definitely stronger than manga Beerus. Just about everyone in the anime is stronger than the manga with the strange exceptions of ToP Gohan and U6 arc Piccolo. The Piccolo example makes sense when you see his overall improvement in the ToP.

I believe the power inflation started with the SSBKK and since that power levels in the anime are out of control compared to the mostly conservative manga.

Berrus is top 2 gods, while anime berrus is middle of pack and nothing to talk about.

How did you come to that conclusion?

Anime berrus is already weaker then belmod, and no feats show or imply him being a GoD to be reckoned with, unlike manga berrus we know is already top 2.

[Lord Beerus]

Berrus is top 2 gods, while anime berrus is middle of pack and nothing to talk about.

How did you come to that conclusion?

Anime berrus is already weaker then belmod, and no feats show or imply him being a GoD to be reckoned with, unlike manga berrus we know is already top 2.

Losing in an arm wrestling =/= weaker than opponent in combat.

[Son-Kakaroto]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Anime berrus is already weaker then belmod, and no feats show or imply him being a GoD to be reckoned with, unlike manga berrus we know is already top 2.

Losing in an arm wrestling =/= weaker than opponent in combat.

Hey, there you go. Proves manga berrus could be number 1. Anime berrus just dosen't have feats, statement or any real good evidence he's a force among the gods. He has evidence to the contray, like the whis statement even if it is small, as well as sweating at ssb kaioken x 10. Manga berrus one shotted mssj blue vegeta (who's merged zamsu tier) when getting serious. Manga berrus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anime berrus.

[Lord Beerus]

Anime berrus is already weaker then belmod, and no feats show or imply him being a GoD to be reckoned with, unlike manga berrus we know is already top 2.

Losing in an arm wrestling =/= weaker than opponent in combat.

Hey, there you go. Proves manga berrus could be number 1. Anime berrus just dosen't have feats, statement or any real good evidence he's a force among the gods. He has evidence to the contray, like the whis statement even if it is small, as well as sweating at ssb kaioken x 10. Manga berrus one shotted mssj blue vegeta (who's merged zamsu tier) when getting serious. Manga berrus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anime berrus.

A character's strength is not solely defined by "feats".

You've provided nothing substantial to support your case, beyond Beerus' understandable shock at seeing the Goku stack Kaioken on top of Super Saiyan Blue (which he later stated wouldn't have been any trouble for him in battle).

[Son-Kakaroto]

Losing in an arm wrestling =/= weaker than opponent in combat.

Hey, there you go. Proves manga berrus could be number 1. Anime berrus just dosen't have feats, statement or any real good evidence he's a force among the gods. He has evidence to the contray, like the whis statement even if it is small, as well as sweating at ssb kaioken x 10. Manga berrus one shotted mssj blue vegeta (who's merged zamsu tier) when getting serious. Manga berrus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anime berrus.

A character's strength is not solely defined by "feats".

You've provided nothing substantial to support your case, beyond Beerus' understandable shock at seeing the Goku stack Kaioken on top of Super Saiyan Blue (which he later stated wouldn't have been any trouble for him in battle).

It's really this simple, there is evidence berrus is a boss in the manga and non to the contrary. There is no evidence berrus in the anime is anything special, while small hints that he is not. Simple, there, based on what we know - manga berrus is at least more impressive then anime berrus.

[BWri]

Hey, there you go. Proves manga berrus could be number 1. Anime berrus just dosen't have feats, statement or any real good evidence he's a force among the gods. He has evidence to the contray, like the whis statement even if it is small, as well as sweating at ssb kaioken x 10. Manga berrus one shotted mssj blue vegeta (who's merged zamsu tier) when getting serious. Manga berrus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anime berrus.

A character's strength is not solely defined by "feats".

You've provided nothing substantial to support your case, beyond Beerus' understandable shock at seeing the Goku stack Kaioken on top of Super Saiyan Blue (which he later stated wouldn't have been any trouble for him in battle).

It's really this simple, there is evidence berrus is a boss in the manga and non to the contrary. There is no evidence berrus in the anime is anything special, while small hints that he is not. Simple, there, based on what we know - manga berrus is at least more impressive then anime berrus.

I think the case you've provided is interesting but everyone in the manga is overall weaker than the anime. Manga Beerus would be even more flabberghasted by Anime Goku's SSBKKx10 than Anime Beerus was.

You've given me pause to think a bit more about it though. How does Full Power SSB compared to SSKKx10 in your opinion? Personally, I'll admit that I'm not exactly sure how this form would fair in the anime. I'm still absolutely wedded to the idea that the overall power levels in the anime are absurdly higher. For instance, anime Hit would absolutely murder Manga Hit, no question about it.

[Faisal Shourov]

The manga is just promotional material, canon but unnecessary at the end.

[dragon boss z]

I don't look at the manga as a standalone thing. I view it more as a supplement to Toriyama's films. When viewed that way, it's perfectly complete (if a tad too brisk with its arc finales). If viewed entirely on its own, though, it's definitely incomplete.

This. The only reason the Beerus arc was even in was so manga only fans wouldn't be completely lost.
Basically the manga canon should go
original manga>BoG movie/manga arc version>RoF>Super manga up to ToP>Broly movie>new arc of Super manga

[sangofe]

It's skipping story arcs, so yeah it feels incomplete.

But we don't know that Broly will be a story arc in the upcoming movie.

[batistabus]

I don't think so. To me, the films are the definitive versions of those stories. Toriyama contributed heavily, so I see no reason to re-do them. Likewise, I see the manga as the definitive version of the other stories (or at least closer than the anime). With the way media works these days, I see no problem with a story that is told cross-platform.

[PFM18]

I don't think so. To me, the films are the definitive versions of those stories. Toriyama contributed heavily, so I see no reason to re-do them. Likewise, I see the manga as the definitive version of the other stories (or at least closer than the anime). With the way media works these days, I see no problem with a story that is told cross-platform.

But the movie versions heavily contradict the DBS manga.

[batistabus]

But the movie versions heavily contradict the DBS manga.

1. I don't agree. This is certainly not the case for DBS: Broly, which does not include SSBKK/SSBE.
2. Even if this was the case, I feel that the storytelling and presentation of the manga is more inline with the films/original manga/Toriyama's style. The story is more lean, quirky, fun, and thoughtful. That is what is most important to me.

[PFM18]

But the movie versions heavily contradict the DBS manga.

1. I don't agree. This is certainly not the case for DBS: Broly, which does not include SSBKK/SSBE.
2. Even if this was the case, I feel that the storytelling and presentation of the manga is more inline with the films/original manga/Toriyama's style. The story is more lean, quirky, fun, and thoughtful. That is what is most important to me.

This isn't a manga vs anime comparison. You said that "the movies are the definitive versions", but if you go by the BoG movie and not the BoG arc in the manga, it heavily contradicts things. I don't know what you're really supposed to do with the RoF story in the manga.