The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Post by Ssjcell » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:11 pm

Android 8 vs king piccolo

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Post by p-hyvo » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:12 pm

Ssjcell wrote:Android 8 vs king piccolo
Piccolo IMO
Android 8 Is featless and i dont see him being a city buster
remember fellas, anyone in gt after m2 >>>anyone in z (bog + rof excluded obv)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:43 pm

1. Hypothetical Toppo/Dyspo fusion vs UI Omen Hit?

2. LB Jiren vs Ssj Blue Gogeta (ToP, no kaioken, no SsjBe or Ui)?

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Post by BlazeDVH » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:37 am

Ssjcell wrote:Android 8 vs king piccolo
Piccolo.

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Post by CTAkuma » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:50 am

Berserker1921 wrote:1. Hypothetical Toppo/Dyspo fusion vs UI Omen Hit?

2. LB Jiren vs Ssj Blue Gogeta (ToP, no kaioken, no SsjBe or Ui)?
1.The sum of the fusion of both should be way superior to just Ui omen Hit
2.Is this start of the tournament or near the end? Because near the end after Goku and Vegeta used their SSBKK and SSBE forms they could keep up somewhat with Jiren in Blue iirc and even if they were not able to keep up with him in Blue the simple sum of Fusion that being Goku+Vegeta max power x10(Stated by whis that fusion is dozen of times stronger of their combined fusees iirc) meaning Base Gogeta would be superior to the SBBKK and SSBE forms and Blue would probably stomp Jiren imo

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:42 pm

Base Gogeta (Buu arc) vs Buuhan
Base Black (in his prime+scythe) vs Mastered Berzerk Kale and SSJ2 Caulifla
SSJ2 Goku (Shadow Dragon arc) vs Super Baby 1
Piccolo (RoF) vs Dabura
SSJ3 Raditz vs 1st form Freeza (Namek arc)
Android 18 (ToP) vs SSJ Cabba (Champa arc)
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs SSJ2 Kefla
SSJ1 Vegito (ToP) vs Base Toppo

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Post by p-hyvo » Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:20 am

zarmack wrote:Base Gogeta (Buu arc) vs Buuhan
Base Black (in his prime+scythe) vs Mastered Berzerk Kale and SSJ2 Caulifla
SSJ2 Goku (Shadow Dragon arc) vs Super Baby 1
Piccolo (RoF) vs Dabura
SSJ3 Raditz vs 1st form Freeza (Namek arc)
Android 18 (ToP) vs SSJ Cabba (Champa arc)
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs SSJ2 Kefla
SSJ1 Vegito (ToP) vs Base Toppo

R1 : buuhan stomps
R2 : Black goku stomps
R3 : base goku (s17 arc) Is enough to stomp Any baby Vegeta form except , so do your math kek
R4 : considering that piccolo was rusty base Gohan tier, Sabra wins
R5 : freezer not by much (it is 480'000 vs 530'000)
R6 : android 18 is stronger than base goku and ssj caulifla at the top, obviously she wins no diff against champa arc kyabe
R7 : I can see goku win there
R8 : base toppo stomps, ssj1 vegetto (top) is strong as a half of god goku (top) imo , going by vados'es statement (potara = sum x tens of times , usually sum x50 is the most popular mult for potara DBS in my country)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RecolorSaiyan » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:55 pm

zarmack wrote:Base Gogeta (Buu arc) vs Buuhan
Base Black (in his prime+scythe) vs Mastered Berzerk Kale and SSJ2 Caulifla
SSJ2 Goku (Shadow Dragon arc) vs Super Baby 1
Piccolo (RoF) vs Dabura
SSJ3 Raditz vs 1st form Freeza (Namek arc)
Android 18 (ToP) vs SSJ Cabba (Champa arc)
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs SSJ2 Kefla
SSJ1 Vegito (ToP) vs Base Toppo
Buuhan easily
Base Black stomps
Ssj2 Goku
Dabura
Freeza
Ssj Cabba
Ssj2 kefla But not by much
Ssj1 Vegito stomps hard

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PFM18 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:58 pm

p-hyvo wrote:R3 : base goku (s17 arc) Is enough to stomp Any baby Vegeta form except , so do your math kek
R6 : android 18 is stronger than base goku and ssj caulifla at the top, obviously she wins no diff against champa arc kyabe
How? That's completely insane.

No, she is not. No way she's that strong
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:32 pm

PFM18 wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:R3 : base goku (s17 arc) Is enough to stomp Any baby Vegeta form except , so do your math kek
R6 : android 18 is stronger than base goku and ssj caulifla at the top, obviously she wins no diff against champa arc kyabe
How? That's insane.

No, she is not. No way she's that strong
Yes she is in the anime, scaling off of Ribrianne.

Normal Ribrianne was fighting on par with a suppressed SSJ1 Vegeta and a full-powered Based Goku. Giant Ribrianne is much stronger than that, then A18 broke her limits and suprpassed Ribrianne at her prime. So based on that, we can say that A18 at her peak is in-between SSJ1 and SSJ2 (ToP) in power.

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Post by RecolorSaiyan » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:38 pm

Normal ribrianne got her ass kicked by base vegeta in episode 112.

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Post by PFM18 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:44 pm

zarmack wrote:Yes she is in the anime, scaling off of Ribrianne.
...yeah gonna have to stop you right there. Ribrianne was portrayed so differently in power in so many instances that it is impossible to scale off of her. I think the manga did a better job of illustrating it, but the character appears to have supposed to vary immensely in her power depending on the situation. Either that or it is inconsistency, but scaling off of her is an irrational endeavor.
zarmack wrote: So based on that, we can say that A18 at her peak is in-between SSJ1 and SSJ2 (ToP) in power.
See, if you DO scale off of Ribrianne, then you'r'e going to end up with conclusions like this where the natural consequence is that she completely dwarfs anything we saw in Z/the original series. At this point, if you're stronger than Base Goku, let alone SSJ Goku, you can fodderize anything from Z and we don't even get much indication that 18 had gotten stronger.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DestructoDisc » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:56 am

RecolorSaiyan wrote:Normal ribrianne got her ass kicked by base vegeta in episode 112.
You mean episode 111. The reason she lost was because her mind was elsewhere.

Anyways, the U6 saiyans were just as inconsistent in power as 18 and Ribrianne were. In the U6 arc Cabba and Vegeta were said to be equal in base, yet SSJ Vegeta was able to tank SSJ Cabba's punch like it was nothing. In the ToP, SSJ Cabba was beaten by Monna who was nothing to base Vegeta. SSJ Caulifla was struggling against Napapa who was around Basil's level and got humiliated by Final Form Freeza in episode 98. Base Caulifla was also easily beaten by Kettol who was fighting on par with Shosa in the beginning of the tournament. And let's not forget Kale who went from walking through SSJB Goku's kamehameha to struggling against tired SSJG Goku with a form that was stated to be stronger than the one she fought SSJB Goku with. I still have no idea how strong any of these characters were in the anime.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:11 am

PFM18 wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:R3 : base goku (s17 arc) Is enough to stomp Any baby Vegeta form except oozaru maybe , so do your math kek
R6 : android 18 is stronger than base goku and ssj caulifla at the top, obviously she wins no diff against champa arc kyabe
How? That's completely insane.

No, she is not. No way she's that strong
GT Scaling itself Is insane and badly written, so no big deal. I s17 arc, base Vegeta is easily comparable to super baby Vegeta 2, because he's stronger than ssj Gohan that is stronger than majuub. Ssj Goku punches s17 so hard he made him do a half of the world in flight, the same s17 that shitstomped ssj2 Vegeta and absorbed his stronger attack. That makes base goku for sure >>>super baby 2, and maybe even >oozaru baby

C18 fights better than base goku against the pride troopers, so c18 top > base goku early top
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by BlazeDVH » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:00 pm

zarmack wrote:Base Gogeta (Buu arc) vs Buuhan
Base Black (in his prime+scythe) vs Mastered Berzerk Kale and SSJ2 Caulifla
SSJ2 Goku (Shadow Dragon arc) vs Super Baby 1
Piccolo (RoF) vs Dabura
SSJ3 Raditz vs 1st form Freeza (Namek arc)
Android 18 (ToP) vs SSJ Cabba (Champa arc)
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs SSJ2 Kefla
SSJ1 Vegito (ToP) vs Base Toppo
1.Gohan-Boo
2.Goku Black
3.SSJ2 Goku
4.Dabra
5.Raditz
6.Cabba
7.Goku
8.Vegetto

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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:37 pm

DestructoDisc wrote:
RecolorSaiyan wrote:Normal ribrianne got her ass kicked by base vegeta in episode 112.
You mean episode 111. The reason she lost was because her mind was elsewhere.

Anyways, the U6 saiyans were just as inconsistent in power as 18 and Ribrianne were. In the U6 arc Cabba and Vegeta were said to be equal in base, yet SSJ Vegeta was able to tank SSJ Cabba's punch like it was nothing. In the ToP, SSJ Cabba was beaten by Monna who was nothing to base Vegeta. SSJ Caulifla was struggling against Napapa who was around Basil's level and got humiliated by Final Form Freeza in episode 98. Base Caulifla was also easily beaten by Kettol who was fighting on par with Shosa in the beginning of the tournament. And let's not forget Kale who went from walking through SSJB Goku's kamehameha to struggling against tired SSJG Goku with a form that was stated to be stronger than the one she fought SSJB Goku with. I still have no idea how strong any of these characters were in the anime.
The only real issue with the U6 Saiyans was the moment where Kale tanked and walked through SSJB Goku's Kamehameha in Episode 100, and that moment itself being completely ignored afterward.

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Post by PFM18 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:18 pm

DestructoDisc wrote:In the U6 arc Cabba and Vegeta were said to be equal in base, yet SSJ Vegeta was able to tank SSJ Cabba's punch like it was nothing.
Because Cabba had literally just achieved SSJ and Vegeta had mastered it. It's not inconsistent at all because Cabba obviously actually drains ki/stamina from using the form.
In the ToP, SSJ Cabba was beaten by Monna who was nothing to base Vegeta.
First of all, that's a false equivalency because ToP Vegeta/=/U6 Vegeta, ToP Vegeta isn't equal to Cabba in Base. And, Vegeta had blindsided her it wasn't a straight up fight. Not a contradiction either.
Base Caulifla was also easily beaten by Kettol who was fighting on par with Shosa in the beginning of the tournament.
How is this a contradiction? I mean I guess Caulifla is supposed to be stronger than Kettol, but she also had been stated by Goku to get stronger throughout the tournament and this was way before that entire conversation. No contadiction here either.
And let's not forget Kale who went from walking through SSJB Goku's kamehameha to struggling against tired SSJG Goku with a form that was stated to be stronger than the one she fought SSJB Goku with.
Goku was simply suppressed. There's a slew of reasons that have already been discussed a million times that we should be under the impression that Goku was suppressed at the time.
p-hyvo wrote: I s17 arc, base Vegeta is easily comparable to super baby Vegeta 2, because he's stronger than ssj Gohan that is stronger than majuub.
Not really. Gohan isn't necessarily stronger than Majuub, it was never stated nor heavily implied to be the case, and even if he was, that wouldn't necessarily make him comparable to SBV2 because Majuub got his ass kicked by SBV2. And both Base Vegeta and SSJ Gohan got their ass kicked by Super 17 so neither of them really showed superior strength over the other in that regard. And even if all of this were true, we still wouldn't have any reason to believe that BASE Goku was stronger than SBV2 because we only saw SSJ Goku do damage to S17 and Base Goku wasn't in the picture.

So, yes, that's absolutely insane.

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Post by p-hyvo » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:36 pm

PFM18 wrote:Not really. Gohan isn't necessarily stronger than Majuub, it was never stated nor heavily implied to be the case, and even if he was, that wouldn't necessarily make him comparable to SBV2 because Majuub got his ass kicked by SBV2. And both Base Vegeta and SSJ Gohan got their ass kicked by Super 17 so neither of them really showed superior strength over the other in that regard. And even if all of this were true, we still wouldn't have any reason to believe that BASE Goku was stronger than SBV2 because we only saw SSJ Goku do damage to S17 and Base Goku wasn't in the picture.

So, yes, that's absolutely insane.

well, you know where is the problem? the problem is that ssj gohan > majuub and vegeta >majuub is implied, really.
majuub was surprised by the fact thet gohan's kamehameha did'nt damaged s17, impying that gohan's kamehameha>majuub. therefor, ssj gohan > majuub, no dount.
vegeta is stronger than gohan no doubt, so he's stronger than majuub in base as well. the proof of it is vegeta facing hellfighter 17 : if majuub was stronger than vegeta, why did'nt he faced the android instead of vegeta? he would have won and no s17 would have born. the fact that is vegeta to face hf17 strongly implies that base vegeta> majuub.

and, for Goku, as i said he kicked the ass of an enemy (s17) that, considering his performances, was abosultely comparable to oozaru baby if not more, cosidering he has absorbed vegeta's ad gohan's stronger Attacks before he took that punch from ssj Goku. the thing that ssj Goku was (initially) superior to an enemy very likely superior to oozaru baby himself makes base Goku on par with oozaru baby if not superior.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by sunsetshimmer » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:50 am

Base Gohan was struggling with Rildo who got completely destroyed by a single ki blast from Majuub.
I can't see how SSJ Gohan is supposed to be stronger than Majuub.
While SSJ Goku/Vegeta from post Baby arc are implied and pretty much confirmed to be superior to Majuub, Gohan is still weaker.
And Majuub could be surprised that Kamehameha had no effect because, well. It was Kamehameha. It's obviously a superior attack than few punches.

And while it's possible that base Vegeta might be stronger than Majuub as well, it doesn't really matter because it's not like they picked a person to fight Hell Fighter 17. Vegeta just met him and Majuub and others were busy with other stuff like helping other people. Even if Majuub was far stronger than him there would be no difference.
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Post by p-hyvo » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:10 am

sunsetshimmer wrote:Base Gohan was struggling with Rildo who got completely destroyed by a single ki blast from Majuub.
I can't see how SSJ Gohan is supposed to be stronger than Majuub.
While SSJ Goku/Vegeta from post Baby arc are implied and pretty much confirmed to be superior to Majuub, Gohan is still weaker.
And Majuub could be surprised that Kamehameha had no effect because, well. It was Kamehameha. It's obviously a superior attack than few punches.

And while it's possible that base Vegeta might be stronger than Majuub as well, it doesn't really matter because it's not like they picked a person to fight Hell Fighter 17. Vegeta just met him and Majuub and others were busy with other stuff like helping other people. Even if Majuub was far stronger than him there would be no difference.

Rildo was obviously upgraded in hell by vero and mieu, he's in in super mega form in base and is a lot stronger than on m2.
Again, of majuub was surprised that gohan's kamehameha didn't hurt s17 , that means that ssj Gohan>base Gohan kamehameha>majuub>rildo>base gohan

Vegeta is in fact stronger than majuub in base. Majuub wasn't busy in that moment, and he could've prove himself useful interfering in the match between vegeta and hf17 , killing the android. Doesn't matter if he didn't
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